Re: How is the Defense going to deal with Denver
posted at 10/1/2012 4:50 PM EDT
In response to PatsEng's comment:
In response to AZPAT's comment:
In response to PatsEng's comment:
A lot of ball control.
Manning hasn't been himself (a little lose in accuracy compaired to the past) and his receivers aren't nearly as good as when he was on the Colts. So, you dominant the ToP and force Manning to beat you with crisp clean passes in which he'll need every series in order to win the game. Force the issue and let his guys makes the plays and capitalize when the pressure starts to pile up on him
Sorry, but TOP has no bearing on a team's ability to gash the middle of the Pats' defense via the air. Look at what Flacco and Fitzgerald did.... Flacco wasn't sacked, yet had 300+ and 3 TD's. Fitzgerald played for his life and still had more yards than Brady and 4 TD's. Manning had a Manning-esque game yesterday: 30/38, 330+ yds, 3 TD's. Remember, this is against a team that beat the Steelers the week before. And no one's saying that Gentle Ben is a stiff.
My hope is that BB comes up with a few wrinkles to confuse Manning, as he's done in teh oast. But, thise teams had better DB's. While Manning will be going up against a Pats hemmoraging yards over the middle (he can still smell blood), the Pats will be facing a decent, better than avg Bronco defense (MUCH better than the Bills' imitation of the Pats' 2011 defense, as wexhibited yesterday).
I just hope we're not going to see a repeat of prior Pats seasons, where they beat up on non-playoff caliber teams and gak up losses to playoff ones. Doesn't bode well for the post season. Plus, they need to plug that huge hole in teh DB's.
AZ - I hear what you are saying but we didn't dominate ToP with either the Ravens or Ari. There was a ~2min difference in both the Ari and Bal which is essential 1-1.5 extra mins for Bal's and Ari's O (take 1 min from Pats give it to Bal they are the same). They both had just as much time as the Pats to run plays (minus 3 plays) which is something you can't give to Manning. You need a clear 8 min difference in ToP which is equal to about a series. If the Pats can have a 34min ToP to Den 26min ToP then it puts extra pressure on Manning to make every series count. Given that Manning still isn't 100% Manning and his receivers he been prone to lapses in judgement and route running this only increases the chances of a turn over. 1 turn over with no ToP can be fatal to a guy known to crack under mounting pressure throughout the game. You force them to play perfectly and that's how you beat them. In Ari and Bal we played sloppy and they got plenty of chances without fear of not having time.
First off, did you know that the Bills scored 28 points on 4 drives: avg 5.5 plays and 63 yds per drive, avg 2:10/drive? The Pats averaged this on all ther TD drives: 6 plays, 60 yds, 2:30/per. We'll all immediately recognize that the Pats have quick strike capability. The Bills? Manning handled 4 TD drives yesterday, averaging: 7 plays, 60 yards, and 3 minutes/per. Anyone saying that Manning doesn't have the same quick strike potential is just deluding themselves. Winning teh TOP "war" is not a good barometer of winning games, while I will conceed that MOST teams winning this will win the game. But, when yiu have quick strike capability, this goes out the window. All it takes is 1 play to get you 7 points, as the Bills did on a fumble turnover.
When you say: 1 turn over with no ToP can be fatal to a guy known to crack under mounting pressure throughout the game, are you talking about Manning or brady? Seems to me Brady has had issues winning close games against quality opponents/games that really matter, since the 2007 SB. Perhaps you are jaded by your personal feelings about Manning when he was pitching for the Colts? Check out the stats.... he's still in the top 10. All I'm saying is not to sell him short.
As for Arizona and Baltimore, don't sell them short either. One is still undefeated, and the other has only 1 loss. All I hear, including yesterday by the TV announcers is that the Pats are only a couple of plays away from being undefeated too. Maybe, but they FAILED to make these plays. Could you make the reverse arguement that the Falcons SHOULDN'T be undefeated, saved by the one play yesterday vs the Panthers (the QB fumble late)? Games are won/lost on the field. When you fail to take advantage of a gift, you need to give credit to the other guys for making the play(s) when they had to, which is more that what the Pats did in either of those games. As with the Welker and Gronk fumbles, do we expect them to do that again any more than having the Cardinals block a punt inside the Pats 10 yard line? Fact is all three events happened, plus the missed FG's Can't excuse them away