How long can the Jets give Sanchez?

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    Re: How long can the Jets give Sanchez?

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    In Response to Re: How long can the Jets give Sanchez? : Did you all watch the same game I did? Sanchez threw for 300 plus yards and 2 TDs and completed about 60% of his passes.  If the knock on the guy is that he is not accurate, then he throws for 60% or that he throws a lot of picks, then he doesn't at what point do you reassess your opinion of the guy?  The guy had a pretty good game with heavy pressure and no running game.  Eventually, you have to open up your eyes and judge people on what they do, not what they used to do or should have done.  Like Romo, Sanchez mad some key throws in that game.
    Posted by HaverhillBob


    60% comp was good 10-20 years ago but now a days even the bottom 50% of QB's in the game throw at least 60% on a regular basis. Sanchez had a great night for him and still couldn't break 60% (though he was close). You can't look at his yrds and TD's and go by that alone. It isn't fantasy football. The Jets barely ran the ball (less then 30%) which for them is something they never do. Of course Sanchez is going to toss up 300yrds, every QB would when they throw the ball 44 times.

    What you need to look at is his TD:TO ratio, comp %, and rating to determine what type of game he had. Looking at those he had less then a 1:1 TD:TO ratio which is poor, less then 60% comp which in modern NFL statistics is poor, and his rating was ~88 which is about average at best for starting QB's. Of course you also have to judge by eye which he didn't give the game away like Romo but he didn't win the game either (he accounted for 7 of the final 17 scored by the Jets in the 4th quarter and 0 points in the last 10mins). When you put it all together Sanchez had a slightly below average game for a starting QB in the league and yet considering his career averages this could be counted as one of his better games. That is not a very good sign
     
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    Re: How long can the Jets give Sanchez?

    Sancheeze is the Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson of this age.  He does just enought to not totally hurt the team.  He might be on a super bowl winning team but he will never be an elite QB or never win multiple Super Bowls
     
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    Re: How long can the Jets give Sanchez?

    The Jets don't have any choice. They keep telling him how great he is which has painted them into a corner no matter what he does in the immediate future. By The way, this is season 3 for him..What you see is what you get and he will not get any better than he is right now or last night. That's a pretty funny thought to me. Sanchez is just good enough to keep the Jets from dumping him and not good enough to ever win a Superbowl. The perfect combination for Rex.
     
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    Re: How long can the Jets give Sanchez?

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    In Response to Re: How long can the Jets give Sanchez? : A big knock on Sanchez was that he had a big running game to hide behind and still didn't do very well.  So, with no running game he does do well and now that's a negative?  It seems like people around here have a hard time accepting anything positive from a rival player.
    Posted by HaverhillBob


    But he didn't do well, what part of that is confusing? He did pretty mediocre actually.

    Out of the 28 starting QB's who have played so far he was

    15th in QB rating
    19th in comp %
    26th in TD:TO ratio

    In the 3 catagories that matter most he was in the bottom 50% of the league in all 3 and in the bottom 1/3rd for 2 of them!!!

    If you want to take it a step further he was 4th in attempts which means that he should be pretty high up on the yrds per game since he threw 10 more atts then the average or just under 33% more passing attempts then the league average.

    At best he was a mediocre QB this weekend at worst he's at the bottom of the barrel for winning QB's this weekend
     
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    Re: How long can the Jets give Sanchez?

    The people pointing to the marginal relevance of Sanchez's completion percentage have it mostly right. He's going to hit a high percentage because he's mostly throwing five-yard outs and quick slants. If this guy could take advantage of the matchup problems Burress can create downfield, New Jersey wouldn't struggle against blowbags like the Cowboys. But at the bottom, what you're trying to do is . . .

    What?

    Tell us, Hermm.

    You play to win the game . . .   Hello?

    And New Jersey wins the game, more often than not, even though Sanchez is limited in what he can do. If and when the Jests can no longer pull these kinds of rabbits out of their pants, you may see Sanchez held up to a more critical light, but so long as they keep tripping over wins like they did last night, ain't nobody going to question The Sanchize.

     
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    Meaningless banter.
     
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    Re: How long can the Jets give Sanchez?

    After watching the end of that game, I am more grateful that the Patriots have Brady. Romo is generally considered to be a top 10-12 QB in this league, capable of putting up decent stats. Sanchez is an up and comer with a developing playoff pedigree. Yet neither seemed capable of taking the game over in the 4th when it matter. Both made terrible mistakes in the clutch. Romo's fumble, interception to Revis, and botched snap were inexcusable. Sanchez also gave away the game and still got it back. We watched a pair of terrible 300 yard passers last night...perfect example of how stats don't always tell the whole story.
     
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    Re: How long can the Jets give Sanchez?

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    In Response to Re: How long can the Jets give Sanchez? : Best part of this is you guys have all done a 180 on the importance of stats.  When the argument was Manning vs. Brady and all the Manning backers thru out his amazing stats, everyone on here was like, stats don't matter winning matters. Now all of a sudden winning doesn't matter, stats matter.  Look Sanchez is not an elite QB but he seems to play that way when it matters.  I would rather have a QB that plays well when the game is on the line, then someone like Romo that looks great for 3 quarters then self-destructs in the 4th quarter. Anyone who thinks Sanchez is elite is crazy, but on the other end of the spectrum, anyone who thinks the Jets are going to cut/bench him is crazy.  Just win baby.
    Posted by Patsman3


    I have never done a 180 and the stats that matter to me are simple, TD:TO ratio, comp %, rating, and of course win %. Efficiency could become a very valuable stat but it's still in it's infancy. I don't care about yrds or TD's truthfully. They are exciting stats but in the end they are just that and those are what most people point to with Manning as reasons why Manning was better then Brady not those stats I listed above. If you look at purely those stats Manning and Brady are almost dead even but Brady has the 3 rings to Mannings 1 which is what puts him over the top.

    As you said just win baby, but at the same time you look at Sanchez and realize if you replace him with an above average QB in the league the Jets would have won more (see the difference now). You can't say that about a Brees, Rodgers, Brady, or Manning which is what makes them elite
     
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