How much did spygate contribute to the three titles?

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    How much did spygate contribute to the three titles?

    I used to think it had nothing to do with it at all but now the pats are 0-2 in superbowl games since being caught. They never won a title before spygate and even during that time never won one by more than 3 points. Honest question here how much of a factor was it that the pats won all the title during the spygate era and have failed to win one since?

    I can say this the second loss to the giants and eli definatly hurts belichecks and bradys legacy. Compairing Brady to Montana was and expecialy now after two loses in the superbowl was just stupid. Now the comparison should be Brady vs Eli and now Eli is 2-0 to brady.

    Despite the loss I think this was one of Belicheks best coaching jobs the fact he almost one a superbowl with that no name defense is incredible. This years draft the pats should just make there picks instead of trading down for more picks or even trade up if a player is sitting higher they really love. Time to upgrade the defense after all it was the main reason the pats won the titles( or spygate)
     
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    Who cares that seems like a 100 years ago.
     
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    0 because every team was doing it
     
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    they are still making it to super bowls, if it was really that big of a deal they wouldnt even be winning playoff games and having successful regular seasons
     
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    [QUOTE]they are still making it to super bowls, if it was really that big of a deal they wouldnt even be winning playoff games and having successful regular seasons
    Posted by redsoxfan94[/QUOTE]
    Let's just remember the division that they're in. Easy money.
     
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    Re: How much did spygate contribute to the three titles?

    We won 3 titles by three points each, so they were all close games. We lost two Super Bowls by very small margins too.

    If the Spygate thing really had an effect, we probably would not have gone 16-0 or made two Super Bowl appearances. Even in these past 2 championships, we made enough plays to win at the end but came up a few miracles away from winning.

    Accept that we were very unfortunate in both of our previous two Super Bowls and just hope for better luck in the future. Don't dwell on the past.
     
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    did you ever consider that what's changed is how the team is constructed and how they have tried to win since 07?
     
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    Unfortunatly until brady and belichek wins a superbowl post spygate the national preception fair or not is they can't win without it. Logic says you look at the book of work since even though the pats haven't won a title I don;t know how anyone cant think this is an elite team and organization. The haters are gona hate until they win another one post spy gate fair or not.
     
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    [QUOTE]We won 3 titles by three points each, so they were all close games. We lost two Super Bowls by very small margins too. If the Spygate thing really had an effect, we probably would not have gone 16-0 or made two Super Bowl appearances. Even in these past 2 championships, we made enough plays to win at the end but came up a few miracles away from winning. Accept that we were very unfortunate in both of our previous two Super Bowls and just hope for better luck in the future. Don't dwell on the past.
    Posted by kevin13130[/QUOTE]

    Exactly.
     
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    Spygate=a crappy camcorder in the nose bleed section.  I saw the tape, there was more on the cheerleaders than the game.  Spygate was nothing more than BB's arrogance.
     
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    [QUOTE]Spygate=a crappy camcorder in the nose bleed section.  I saw the tape, there was more on the cheerleaders than the game.  Spygate was nothing more than BB's arrogance.
    Posted by Grogan77[/QUOTE]

    How did you see a tape that was destroyed by the nfl?
     
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    [QUOTE]did you ever consider that what's changed is how the team is constructed and how they have tried to win since 07?
    Posted by seattlepat70[/QUOTE]

    They've tried to win it with no defense and more on the offense, but not giving Brady the outside threat that Peyton had for so long, and making him rely on simply TE's and slots. When you play a physical team that plays fast you're gonna lose. Eli has Manningham and Nicks, not super stars but big can jump up and catch the ball.
     
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    [QUOTE]I used to think it had nothing to do with it at all but now the pats are 0-2 in superbowl games since being caught. They never won a title before spygate and even during that time never won one by more than 3 points. Honest question here how much of a factor was it that the pats won all the title during the spygate era and have failed to win one since? I can say this the second loss to the giants and eli definatly hurts belichecks and bradys legacy. Compairing Brady to Montana was and expecialy now after two loses in the superbowl was just stupid. Now the comparison should be Brady vs Eli and now Eli is 2-0 to brady. Despite the loss I think this was one of Belicheks best coaching jobs the fact he almost one a superbowl with that no name defense is incredible. This years draft the pats should just make there picks instead of trading down for more picks or even trade up if a player is sitting higher they really love. Time to upgrade the defense after all it was the main reason the pats won the titles( or spygate)
    Posted by LUCICmilan17[/QUOTE

    The game is played on the field.
    Spywhatever has nothing to do with it you f tool!!!!!!!!
     
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    Re: How much did spygate contribute to the three titles?

    No way they beat the Rams without Spygate. It's a tainted win, and a lot of players in the league have said as much.

    It sucks but cheaters got their due, oh well.

    21-17.
     
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    Losing McGinest, Law, Ted Johnson, Phifer and players like that is the difference.


    And arguably, I think the biggest loss was Crennel. The defense hasnt been the same and BB hasn't really trusted anyone as he once did with Crennel.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: How much did spygate contribute to the three titles? : They've tried to win it with no defense and more on the offense, but not giving Brady the outside threat that Peyton had for so long, and making him rely on simply TE's and slots. When you play a physical team that plays fast you're gonna lose. Eli has Manningham and Nicks, not super stars but big can jump up and catch the ball.
    Posted by SoxNPats76[/QUOTE]

    Lame excuse how did brady do when he had randy moss thats a deep threat and he still chocked in the superbowl
     
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    [QUOTE]No way they beat the Rams without Spygate. It's a tainted win, and a lot of players in the league have said as much. It sucks but cheaters got their due, oh well. 21-17.
    Posted by upstart[/QUOTE]

    You are an idiot.

    1 touchdown was an interception return

    The last field goal was a hurry up offense.

    The other touchdown was at the end of the half, probably not taking their time, set up by an interception.

    The other field goal was a fumble recovery where they didn't move the ball very far.

    even the alleged red zone offense viewing of the Rams eneded in a touchdown for the Rams on their only possession in the Red Zone.

    So, the impact of "Spygate" even under the most vicious, partisan dumb attacks was absolutely ZERO on that super bowl.
     
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    Re: How much did spygate contribute to the three titles?

    Taping opposing coaches is not illegal and actually is allowed in the rules provided they check the scoreboard before filming the coach which is what they did. What they did wrong is where it was filmed. It's also been proven that it is impossible to get any useful info from footage during the game... so that means it didn't help that much.

    The problem is that instead of being a balanced team with good O's and D's we've turned into the Colts trying to just out score people and having an average at best D which doesn't win in this league
     
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    Re: How much did spygate contribute to the three titles?

    No one will ever really know how much influence Spygate actually had the Pats success, many on here insist it was a fabrication, haters say it was a massive deal, the truth certainly lies somewhere in the middle.

    The fact that the Pats have kept winning 11-16 games a year is really all the proof you need.

    The bigger discussion is how the Pats have so largely gotten away from the running the ball and defense that actually won them SB's, not the all out pass attack they have had since 2006. 
     
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    [QUOTE]The nfl fined the pats almost a million dollars and took a first round pick that has never happened before so to say it was nothing is just hillarious
    Posted by LUCICmilan17[/QUOTE]

    If they are so dependent on illegal film, how did they manage to have a perfect regular season?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: How much did spygate contribute to the three titles? : If they are so dependent on illegal film, how did they manage to have a perfect regular season?
    Posted by ThefourBs[/QUOTE]

    How many titles before spygate and how many since its that simple
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: How much did spygate contribute to the three titles? : How many titles before spygate and how many since its that simple
    Posted by LUCICmilan17[/QUOTE]

    nope it isn't........this game was lost last night on incredible throw by Eli......last time Tyree's catch and Samuel missing an easy INT.....couple inches either way the Pats win........other teams executed..Pats didn't..end of story.
     
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