How to Beat the Patriots for Dummies...

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    How to Beat the Patriots for Dummies...

    Seems like every head coach in the league has a "how to beat the patriots for Dummies" text book now. Its actually becoming more noticable and easily to duplicate for most teams (average to above average teams.)
    1. Blitz Tom Brady - use 5-8 man blitz packages continuously
    2. Stop the short slant passes
    3. Use a good balance of running plays to limit the Patriots time of possession
    4. Blitz Tom Brady Again

    ***If it weren't for a fluke fumble in week 1, the patriots would be 0-2 to start the season. And 0-3 with Tom Brady playing the entire game dating back to the previous Superbowl. (when this text book was founded)

     
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    [QUOTE]Seems like every head coach in the league has a "how to beat the patriots for Dummies" text book now. Its actually becoming more noticable and easily to duplicate for most teams (average to above average teams.) 1. Blitz Tom Brady - use 5-8 man blitz packages continuously 2. Stop the short slant passes 3. Use a good balance of running plays to limit the Patriots time of possession 4. Blitz Tom Brady Again ***If it weren't for a fluke fumble in week 1, the patriots would be 0-2 to start the season. And 0-3 with Tom Brady playing the entire game dating back to the previous Superbowl. (when this text book was founded)
    Posted by Boston-kyle[/QUOTE]
     
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    I couldn't agree with you more Kyle,
    Belichick says he was outcoached ...thats odd when any bumble headed coach in the league can watch replays of the Giants in the Super Bowl and implement the technique.
    I went to bed last night thinking..The dynasty is over.
    Brady will become more mobile or Brady will be badly hurt.
     
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    Brady was known for picking apart the blitz... and yet your point is well made, in the last 3 games where Brady was blitzed continously, he could not handle the pressure well enough.

    Maybe the offense can start playing with additional tightends as slot receivers or fullback. That way, Brady can audible them into blockers if he reads a blitz coming.
     
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    the plan would not have worked if the passes has been more on target, and if the receivers had not dropped passes.   It's not news to the league that you need to pressure Brady.  Ordinarily, a team cannot get away with simply blitzing every down. 
     
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    The worst part is the Giants got HUGE pressure in the Super Bowl rushing only 4 guys - no blitz - and still got to Brady a bunch. Pats need to some help on the O-line to protect Brady or he's gonna get beat to hell and the we'll lose every game.
     
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    We have to give credit to Rex for not playing the prevent defense on Brady's last drive yesterday. He was still blitzing Brady in the last minutes of the game... and it worked!

    OTOH, I though the defense was decent thru the first 2 games of the season. It's the offense that needs work! Everybody was screaming about the defense in the preseason but they held up ok! Unfortunately, there have been too many 3-and-out's with this Brady-led offense this year, so the defense got no rest.

     
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    This strategy is going to work all the time until Brady gets his nerves down or until they get a more dynamic playmaker in the backfield (besides Kevin Faulk, whom prob is in his last or second to last year)
     
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    [QUOTE]Seems like every head coach in the league has a "how to beat the patriots for Dummies" text book now. Its actually becoming more noticable and easily to duplicate for most teams (average to above average teams.) 1. Blitz Tom Brady - use 5-8 man blitz packages continuously 2. Stop the short slant passes 3. Use a good balance of running plays to limit the Patriots time of possession 4. Blitz Tom Brady Again ***If it weren't for a fluke fumble in week 1, the patriots would be 0-2 to start the season. And 0-3 with Tom Brady playing the entire game dating back to the previous Superbowl. (when this text book was founded)
    Posted by Boston-kyle[/QUOTE]
    Let's break down your "text book".
    1. Blitz Tom Brady:- I agree, and we all know everyone will try it. 
    2. Stop the short slant passes:- This is where your "text book" starts to fail. Most NFL teams do NOT have the "rush-the-passer-all-the-time" mentality the "new" Jets have. And if teams don't practice for that kind of format, it won't work like it worked for the Jets on Sunday. That means....Brady to Welker in the middle. It also means MORE TIME. THAT means Brady to Moss more often and certainly more effectively. I've got about 50 more examples of how "Blitz Brady" would mean certain defeat by the "ain't got the talent to blitz, blitzing team. But I'll stop here.
    3. Balance of run and pass:- Easier said than done. Every team talks of a "Balanced attack." But how many do it well enough to win consistently. Even so, a great passing attack by a great passing team will win its share of games as will a great running attack by a great running team.
    4. See my #1.
    Nobody's got the "text book" on anybody.
     
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    Hmmm... I think a more appropriate title for the book is "How to give your team its best chance at beating the Patriots".  This formula was first employed with "near success" by the Eagles in 2007.  It made the games much tougher for sure, but only the Giants made it over the hump.  Teams tried that last year and we still won 11 games.  It's fair to chalk the first 2-3 losses last year as Casell growing pains.  So we still did fairly well.  

    In order to pull this off and actually win, you need the talent on D to go with your game plan.  The Giants had it, and the Ravens of 2007 essentially had it.  It looks like the Jets have it now too.  So fortunately, few teams have the talent to actually win like that.  Unfortunately, one of them might be in our division now.  If it were so easy that any team could do it, they would and we would have gone 0-16 last year.
     
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    Yes...and the sky is falling as well.
     
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    Wow, what an enlightening post.  You mean if you put pressure on the opposing QB, take away what they like to do best, and control the clock with the ground game you will win? 

    When did you stumble on this revelation?  Have you called Belicheck to let him know he has been figured out? 

    Give me a break.  You put constant pressure on any QB and they suffer.  You control the clock against any elite offense and you will do better. 

    Everyone knows how to stop everyone, it is just a matter of having the personel to implement your plans. 

    Bottom line is that the Jets were better on this day.  I still expect the Pat's to win the division.  After all, this "embarassment" was against a team that just crushed the Texans (who beat Tennessee on the road), in their building, where the Pat's clearly didn't play well (a good reason for that has to be attributed to the Jet's D), and the Jet's still only won by a TD.  Put that same game in Foxboro and the Pats win. 

    The offense will come around and the D is actually playing like we always did in the Super Bowl years (bend but don't break).  If the offense doesn't get in synch it will be a long year, but that isn't likely to happen. 
     
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    Ironically the Patriots had more yards in offense than the Jets and had 2 sacks on Sanchez and gave up no sacks, and when they ran the ball it was for more yards per carry than the Jets. Also, the turnover margin was equal.
     
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    Brady is an island all by himself out there without any semblence of a running game and a sound offensive game plan.    How come the Patriots can't get a Chris Johnson, Fred Jackson or Mike Bell?  Besides Faulk, all we have are old-timers, a chicken-bleep Maroney and an unused BJGE.
     
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    If that game was in Gillete we would win going away.  I admit we have issues that need attention but its a long season and i believe we will still win the division
     
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    They just need to run the damn ball more often then take their shots down field when they are there, end of story. Fred Taylor ran with conviction yesterday except for the 3rd and 1 which Nick Kaczur got his a@# handed to him on a silver platter. I think had they ran more play action passes off the 3 wr shotgun set would have forced the D to read run first then go after the QB. That would have given tom a hell of alot more time to find someone open.  
     
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    Running the football and playing good defense will always be the best way to win in the NFL.  Right now the Pats do not have a great ground game.  You get 2nd and 2 and go shotgun pass, shotgun pass and then it is 4th and 2, that is how you beat yourself. 

    Not all teams have the personel to to implement your 'text' for beating NE but if the Pats don't commit to a consistent ground game, other teams will happily let them keep making gameplanning a lot easier than it should be.  20 rushes and 47 passes in a game where you never trailed by more than 7?  To me, that is horrible play calling.

     
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    I'm sorry but all this talk of a blueprint on how to beat the Patriots is starting to get annoying.  If you send 7 or 8 players all to one side of the line and completely collapse the pocket NO QUARTERBACK WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE PLAYS!!  It's not just, "Oh the Jets used the blueprint to beat the Patriots."  It's more like, "Wow, the Jets seem like they sent everyone on that blitz."  If this is going to happen the WRs need to do a better job of getting off the press coverage and getting open.  Edelman played well, but he's no Welker.  Tom Brady loves to throw from the pocket, so if he recognizes that a heavy blitz is probably going to come because it's a passing down, he needs to call a play with a third tackle, extra TEs on the line, or even another RB that can do what Kevin Faulk does (i.e. picking up the blitz). 
     
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    Ignore the run. They may have several good runs on their first 2 drives and avg 4yds+ for the game, but they will soon abandon the run and pass for 90% of the rest of the game, so just blitz constantly.

    Let's be realistic people, every team may not have the package to send blitzes every play, but the fact that they don't have spend virtually any time, during the week, game planning for the run, means the passing defense should be better.
     
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    Seems to me like this text book is working...

    The Saints used constant pressure on brady.

    The Saints stopped the short slant routes (4 and 4 at the 10 yard line was a quick slant by moss, quick slant to faulk on 4 and 2 against the Colts was also stopped)

    Saints used a good balance of the running game, Brees only threw the ball 23 times and let his running attack keep the ball away from Brady in the second half.
     
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    An out is not a slant.

    A 3 man rush is not a blitz.
     
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    Actually the text book's biggest chapter and most important one..is..throw the ball to beat the Patriots ...early and often...and the deeper the better.
     
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    you forgot to mention "move around your receivers and pick on the matchups with johnathan wilhite" offensive strategy...it's no coincidence wilhite seems to be getting picked on almost every week, it's by design...opponents watch the gametape and know thats a matchup they can consistently exploit...not trying to make the typical "wilhite sux" comment, but he is quite obviously being targeted and it's working...they should go ahead and make him a nickelback and at this point may as well give butler a few games to gain some experience outside and see if he shows any promise...
     
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    [QUOTE] A 3 man rush is not a blitz.
    Posted by themightypatriotz[/QUOTE]

    Exactly!  Neither the Giants (in the Super Bowl) or the Saints blitzed much at all.  They just were able to get great pressure with the usual four-man (and in the Saints' case even a three-man) rush.  If you can put pressure on Brady while still leaving seven (or even eight) in coverage, you can beat the Pats (or at least the Pats' offense). The ability to pressure Brady without blitzing is the key to beating the Patriots' offense.  The dirty little secret about the Patriots is that our offensive line is not that good, especially at the tackle spots. If you have two or three good pass rushers, you can overwhelm our line without blitzing. That allows you to keep seven or eight in coverage, force Faulk and/or a TE to block (reducing the number of receivers downfield to four or even three), and force Brady to get rid of the ball fast and (often) while he's on the move.  A third receiver would help the Pats--but what would help us most is a really good tackle or two.  The good news is Vollmer looks like he may be the tackle we need. The bad news is we need two tackles. 



     
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    good point soloflyfisher, which can also be validated by the colts game. they were able to go toe-to-toe with the colts on the road largely because vollmer did a standup job and freeney was pretty much held in check, but as the game wore on mathis began to abuse kaczur and began wreaking havoc on TFB (even on the infamous 4th down play). dont get me wrong, there were other contributing factors to that loss, but just agreeing you make a sound point. this week matt light comes back, vollmer out injured, and voila! brady is far less productive than he was in indy, particularly in the second half he was constantly hurried and pressured...

    i know he is only a rookie but all one has to do is look at the games vollmer played compared to those he was out and light played, and i begin to think it cannot merely be coincidence that toms most productive games seemed to come during vollmer's stretch of starts when brady's protection was better...
     
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