How Would You Beat the Pats?

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    How Would You Beat the Pats?

    Pure Fantasy: you have just been named head coach of an opposing NFL team, what would do to beat the Pats?

     
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    Pure Fantasy: you have just been named head coach of an opposing NFL team, what would do to beat the Pats?
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    Aside from kidnapping Brady, you should get a couple of quick scores then force Brady to throw a pick or BJGE to fumble. Good luck with that.
    Anyway, I'd rather talk about how this team can improve.
     
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    See Cleveland.

    Grind it out. Pound at their mid-section with a power running attack and short passes. Keep the ball. Do not turn it over.

     
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    The 2007 Giants had the blueprint and it still works today.  Just not many teams have the personal to pull it off.  On defense you have to be able to pressure brady with just the front 4.  The offense is much more a timing offense then anything now so I agree with Rodney you have to play man to man and jam the recievers and mess up the timing.  You cannot play zone against Brady he will find the holes.

    On offense be able to run run run.  Just like when Manning was at his best, the best way to stop em is keep em off the field.  Along with the run short passes and over the middle.  There is still a huge hole in the middle of the pats d in their zone 10 to 15 yards middle of field.

    Lastly don't turn the ball over.

    That would be my game plan.  Easy to say, harder to execute.
     
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    I agree somewhat with Patsman2 on how the Giants did it in 2007. Having the ability to create pressure with your front 4 is a good start. The problem for these type of teams is that we have 3 legit TE's who can stay back and help block, and we run much less of a spread offense (which is highly susceptible to this type of attack).  
    Looking at the the Pats personnel and multiple configurations of how we could attack, I don't think there exists really a blueprint to stop this team. I think the Cleveland game was as probably as close as you could get to it, but I also think the Pats were completely off that game...which is another way to stop the Pats..hope they mess up and can't find a rythm.
     
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    Switch to Basketball - I Hate Fantasy!
     
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    Right now and I agree pressure up the middle is the key BUT the way the OL is playing the excellent blocking from TEs and RBs no one beat the Pats but the Pats. 

    Also the Giant's game plan worked with the 2007 O, don't think it would be as effective with this O.  They wouldn't get to Brady as they did, quick passes too many weapons and the X factor, Alge Crumpler.
     
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    NYC!!!!! how would you beat the red sox???
     
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    NYC!!!!! how would you beat the red sox???
    Posted by Hammah29r2


    I am not really a baseball fan and haven't followed the Sox or anyone but my sense is ...

    The Red Sox turned around almost 90 years of not winning championships by 1 thing. They changed ownership that brought in new management. New management brought in significant difference makers that had a winnng attitude and bought into a team concept. They were able to come together when they most needed to.

    Or maybe it is just my fantasy?

     
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    The 2007 Giants had the blueprint and it still works today.  Just not many teams have the personal to pull it off.  On defense you have to be able to pressure brady with just the front 4.  The offense is much more a timing offense then anything now so I agree with Rodney you have to play man to man and jam the recievers and mess up the timing.  You cannot play zone against Brady he will find the holes. On offense be able to run run run.  Just like when Manning was at his best, the best way to stop em is keep em off the field.  Along with the run short passes and over the middle.  There is still a huge hole in the middle of the pats d in their zone 10 to 15 yards middle of field. Lastly don't turn the ball over. That would be my game plan.  Easy to say, harder to execute.
    Posted by Patsman2


    For what it's worth, that's exactly what Brady said on WEEI the other day. He said other teams know this but the problem is 95% of teams don't have that kind personnel to make that happen.
     
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    Have the entire team play with their left arm duct taped around their body-Per Roger  "The Rabbit" Good-ill. Otherwise no chance Baby not this year! Go Pats
     
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    The 2007 Giants had the blueprint and it still works today.  Just not many teams have the personal to pull it off.  On defense you have to be able to pressure brady with just the front 4.  The offense is much more a timing offense then anything now so I agree with Rodney you have to play man to man and jam the recievers and mess up the timing.  You cannot play zone against Brady he will find the holes. On offense be able to run run run.  Just like when Manning was at his best, the best way to stop em is keep em off the field.  Along with the run short passes and over the middle.  There is still a huge hole in the middle of the pats d in their zone 10 to 15 yards middle of field. Lastly don't turn the ball over. That would be my game plan.  Easy to say, harder to execute.
    Posted by Patsman2


    Wouldn't work today, not with the added size of Crump and Gronk on the line for pass protection, and the darting quickness of a scat-back like Woodhead. The 2007 Pats couldn't run on the Giants; out of the heavy package, this group could. Added to that the break off routes run by Branch as opposed to the vertical routes run by Moss (that did not have time to mature), and this version of the Pats would have put up 30+ on Big Blue.
     
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    Zero turnovers - protect the ball and don't make risky throws.  I think the Chiefs with their running game, conservative offense, and Weis would do a good job of minimizing risks.  I also think the Saints with Brees at QB would avoid dumb throws.  If Rodgers were/is healthy, he'd be good at making smart throws (Packers).

    Elite pass rushers - the Patriots offensive line isn't the most athletically gifted.  Through a combination of one-on-one matchups where a player can flex their superior athleticism and speed, they can be beat, especially on certain twists.  The Colts with Freeney and Mathis come to mind.  The Steelers also can send their linebackers on blitzes - Harrison, Farrior, Timmons, or Woodley (particularly Harrison and Woodley).  The Ravens have Haloti Ngata to collapse the pocket and Suggs coming off the edge.  The Giants still field Justin Tuck, Usi Umenyiora, and Mathias Kiwanuka.

    Zero pre-snap information on defense - Brady will eat you alive if you show him something before the ball is snapped.  It's imperative to disguise coverages against him.  In this regard, I think any team that runs the Cover 2 all the time like the Bears is instantly doomed.  Pittsburgh presents the most challenges look-wise with their zone blitzes and their linebacker corpsThe Ravens do a nice job with Ed Reed patrolling center field, although they lean on their one-on-one matchups more.  I'd bet the Chiefs would have some interesting looks with Crennel in charge of their defense, as did the Browns and ManginiThe Packers have their 3-4 and the Saints are able to vary looks with Mike Williams running their defense.

    Jam their receivers - the Patriots have a lot of timing routes and precision routes. Opponents need to give their pass rush enough time to get to Brady.  Change it up, but don't let the Pats' receivers get to their spots too easily.  It'll be interesting to watch the Packers and Woodson against Deion Branch this weekend.  I thought the Jets had the personnel to do this, but they gave away their looks too easily pre-snap.  Our former cornerbacks in Philly are apparently doing a decent job this year as Samuel is the only player who has more INTs than McCourty.  And again, Crennel would probably coach up the Chiefs to do this.

    Ball control - keep the ball out of their hands with possession time and by milking the play clock and wear down this defense.  Sub-package runs creating traffic for Guyton or challenging Fletcher head-on to hold his ground seem to work well, but otherwise just run away from Wilfork (or figure out how to technique double-team him with chips while still getting guys to the second level).  It's tough to key in on one thing with the Pats because they take away your specialty.  I would challenge my best players during practice, maybe having an extra linebacker on the field when we run or having two safeties harrass my pass-catching tight end to make life tough if they're the focal points of my offense.  I think the Chargers have one of the best offenses personnel-wise to match up with the Patriots if they ever get their whole crew together (Rivers, Matthews/Tolbert, V-Jax, Floyd, Nanee, and Gates).  A healthy Colts side also stresses the entire secondary (Clark, Wayne, Garcon, Collie), although they're not much of a threat to run; without Clark, their whole offense looks cobbled together because Tamme is only average.

    Otherwise, force the Pats into an ugly, slug it out, sloppy game where the Pats' controlled, deliberate style deteriorates.  Then increased variables work in your favor, assuming you can pull them into such a game.


     
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    In Response to Re: How Would You Beat the Pats? : Wouldn't work today, not with the added size of Crump and Gronk on the line for pass protection, and the darting quickness of a scat-back like Woodhead. The 2007 Pats couldn't run on the Giants; out of the heavy package, this group could. Added to that the break off routes run by Branch as opposed to the vertical routes run by Moss (that did not have time to mature), and this version of the Pats would have put up 30+ on Big Blue.
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    Another big part of game preparation would be the changing personnel packages.  I would have multiple strings of offenses and cycle them into practice continuously rapid-fire to try to prepare my players to think on their toes and adjust to each set.  Rather than trying to memorize what the Patriots do in each set because the Pats have such an extensive playbook, I would try to teach concepts, such as which schemes they use in each situation or which lineman or linemen we can attack (I'd bet that Vollmer and Connolly's communication wouldn't be up to snuff with Light's and Mankins', so I'd run some looks on that side to force Brady to his left or throw the ball away).

    With the tight ends, I'd need an athletic OLB to cover Gronkowski size-wise and a safety with decent man-to-man skills for Hernandez.  Again the Steelers come to mind with Harrison and Woodley who can both run with Gronk, although I'd be loath to waste Polamalu on Hernandez when I'd need his threat on as much of the field as possible.  I bet I could jam Hernandez, though - I don't see him as the physical presence that Gronk is.  I also think I could blow up runs in the backfield with guys lined up across from him because I don't see Hernandez as being as capable of a blocker as Crumpler or Gronk.


    This is all speculation though - this Patriots team has few glaring weaknesses and I'm sure if I stumbled onto any of them the Patriots coaching staff is already ridng said players on them about these things for hours on end.
     
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    If anyone out ther truley knows, keep it to yourself till AFTER the Super Bowl!!!!!
     
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    They key is water. You have to have good water. Just ask the waterboy.....
     
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    See Cleveland. Grind it out. Pound at their mid-section with a power running attack and short passes. Keep the ball. Do not turn it over.
    Posted by p-mike

    Plus add the fact the team played poorly all around and it was Cleveland's day.
     
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    Start at the very beginning and do a Bob Kraft. 

    Land a good GM and the league's most expensive talent scout team.  Trade draft picks forward at a profit.  Spot ten potential winning quarterbacks available for a sixth round pick.  Cycle through all sorts of JAGs all year until you find good players.  Don't be afraid to cut injured or aged veterans.  Work the draft and the salary cap hard.  Treat your players like royalty, and don't be the least bit stingy if you have to give out rings.  Build new facilities to order.

    Identify the best young coach available, land him at any cost, and keep him at a pretty stiff cost too.  Make it clear that he'll be graded on the curve, based on the talent he's been given, not straight on the number of wins. 

    Build a diverse group of 53 players.  Get regular BJGE backs and Woodheads.  Get huge blocking TEs like Crumpler and Gronk, who can really catch.  Get speedballs like Tate and Price.  Get guys with lateral acceleration like Welker and Edelman.  Don't undersell experience but do look for bargains (Branch).  Get seriously strong and mobile pulling guards who play the pass rush.  On defense get some huge run-stopping linemen and some rush specialists too.  Get a big nickel back.  Draft really competent guys in the back seven.  Get guys with gorilla arms. 

    Borrow all sorts of good tactics from around the NFL, but especially from winners.  Often that means from the Patriots.  Do what your team does best, but have a plan B espcially when playing the Patriots because they take away what another team does best. 

    The Patriots play worse after being hit with gimmick plays.  Stock up on them.  Haul them all out of storage from last July.  Change your team's operational systems as radically as you dare, if beating the Patriots is all that counts.

    Nobody in the NFL has done all of this very well, so the Pats don't need to worry that much. 


     
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    Man-to-man coverage. Seldom blitz.  Use a 3-4 front with a speedy pass rushing LB or safety hitting the strong side at Light. So going for the coverage sacks. Brady seems to perform worse when he has not open receiver.  He picks apart zone.

    Run the ball outside, use screens and do the short passes as much as possible to keep Brady from getting the ball. Pass to your tallest targets in the red zone.
     
    Adjust, adjust, adjust.
     
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    Disagree about front four pressure, because that is a general blue print to beat most people and Brady is in the zone sidestepping good pressure rather easily. IT was a much, much easier trick when NE relied on the down field "kill shot" with Randy.

    The key to taming this offense is foreclosing Brady's options with tight man coverage. NE has an abundance of reliable WRs, but only a few really pose matchup problems in man to man.

    That said, the emergence of Woodhead has given Brady a tool to combat even that. He has a shed full of "B" weapons that he can distribute to at will. 

    But the times when NE's offense gets "slow" are the times when the opposing teams tighten up on the WRs and contest every ball that is thrown.  
     
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    get pressure on brady w/ enough to hit him, harrass him, or move him out of the pocket - chuck receivers aggressively on the line to disrupt time, and score more points than the pats......lolLaughing
     
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    Win the toss and elect to receive, score on every possession, 75% success rate on on-sides kick after each score. 

    TOP: Opponent 57:20, Patriots 2:40

    Final score: Opponent 29, Patriots 14
     
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