Hoyer + 27 for 11

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    Hoyer + 27 for 11

    If Dolphins drafts Tannehill, is it possible that the Chiefs would take Pats 27th pick and Hoyer for the 11th pick to get Mark Barron?

    Maybe I'm just hoping Christmas comes early this year.
     
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    No it's not possible.
     
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    Would be a great deal for us.  Not a bad one for KC especially if they want to add a Cassel Jr to their mix in QB land in KC.

    Makes sense except to some degree, why would Pioli want to help a current AFC rival?

    You slap Barron back there with Chung and you're looking at arguably the best young Safety duo in the NFL.
     
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    LOL, yeah right. Just what BB always does trade up, costing him more $$$$ in contracts.
     
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    #27 to #11 is a huge jump.  This would be like saying Hoyer has equal value to a late first rounder.  No way.  I do like the concept, however.  Using Hoyer as part of a small-scale trade-up package is not out of the question.  I think it would be a great way to squeeze some value out of him.
     
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    LOL, yeah right. Just what BB always does trade up, costing him more $$$$ in contracts.
    Posted by kansaspatriot


    Please do your homework before mocking people who know more than you.

    ROOKIE CAP

    BB traded back in recent drafts to avoid paying through the nose, especially without knowing the paremeters of the new CBA.

    He traded back for Mayo. He waited on McCourty. It all matters, even if it seems like a small thing.  That's his leverage with agents who are using a trade up against BB when it comes time to hammer out a contract, too.  

    Our weak minded Jets trolls are exhibit A as to understanding that contracts matter.  But, now with the new CBA, trading up makes more sense, but with more cost in draft picks/compensation.

    The rookie cap means the 1st rd picks are more valuable than before BUT the players will also be cheaper. 

    NE would likely need to part with a 2nd rounder alongside Hoyer and 27 to get to 11, but it might be worth it for a player like Barron.

    It would make sense more than ever to trade up now VS before, so don't mock people who get this when you don't.  Word on the street is, the Pats are not enamored with this draft class which would mean trading up and then trading out into next year's draft, but getting the players they covet.

    If you really covet a Barron, then why not?  It's slam dunk pick and you still have your 2nd rounder for someone you covet in Round 2.

     
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    Undrafted QBs who've done nothing in the NFL can be had for free. Hoyer has no value. We can like him, maybe he's the next big thing. But nobody is going to trade for him. If they get lucky maybe a seventh rounder. A more realistic trade would be 2 1st rounders and a second to move to the 11th pick. Or for players think All-Pros, not never started a game guys. Consider what it cost Atlanto to move to number 6. Two firsts (2011, 2012), a second and a fourth.
     
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    We have no idea of the way other teams see Hoyer.  Any QB training under Brady and BB is likely seen as an attractive piece.  If Kolb goes for a 2nd rounder why is Hoyer seen as worse value? 

    Also, if a team is looking to create competition with a developed QB, why not. HOyer just hasn't entered that Matt Flynn stage where he was able to showcase himself, so he's not worth much other than a mid rd pick on the market.

    But, a 27, back end 2nd rder and Hoyer might be of interest to a team like KC, especially if they know they can get who they want at 27. 
     
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    Look at Phat Rex.  Yes, wittle Kylie Wilson and his nickelback superstardom got better. LMAO

    On McCourty's worst day, he's still much better than Kyle Wilson in a spot/nickel role.

    How's Tebow doing?  Have you and he gotten laid yet?  lol
     
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    You could only dream of Sanchez doing 27 TDs and 7 INTs like Cassel.  And that was Cassel's 3rd coordinator in 3 years after earnign a starting role.

    LMAO

    Sanchez is now about to be benched in favor of a virgin in NYC who can't throw. You can't make it up. You just can't, Phat Rex.

    I don't know why you bother here, Phat Rex, I make a fool out of you with ease.

     
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    In Response to Re: Hoyer + 27 for 11 : Besides the fact that QBs had a far lower rating against Wilson, that McCourty can't play man and that McCourty's pass D got torched like few ever have, you're right.
    Posted by JetMangione


    NE's D is superior to the Jets D.  As is GB's, a D that finished "rated" worse than NE's.

    Which D made it to the SB last year Phat Rex? I am pretty sure your 2010 D go lit up for 24 points in one half in the AFC Title game. LIT UP. LMAO

    You lose again as that born loser you are.

     
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    Who said Molden was "so good"?  Moore certainly was.  Moore was arguably the best defender on the field for either team in the SB.

    Of course, you won't know about a Jets player looking good in a SB, so it's very hard for someone like you to comment. lmao
     
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    If Dolphins drafts Tannehill, is it possible that the Chiefs would take Pats 27th pick and Hoyer for the 11th pick to get Mark Barron? Maybe I'm just hoping Christmas comes early this year.
    Posted by PatsDK


         Won't happen. Do you really think getting Hoyer is worth moving down 16 spots in the first round? Remember, he becomes a UFA next year.
     
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    In Response to Re: Hoyer + 27 for 11 : Did Moore leave the game for the game losing 90 yard drive by master Eli?   
    Posted by JetMangione


    Is this a riddle?  You can't even talk straight anymore you're so far gone, loser.
     
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    In Response to Re: Hoyer + 27 for 11 : Please do your homework before mocking people who know more than you. ROOKIE CAP BB traded back in recent drafts to avoid paying through the nose, especially without knowing the paremeters of the new CBA. He traded back for Mayo. He waited on McCourty. It all matters, even if it seems like a small thing.  That's his leverage with agents who are using a trade up against BB when it comes time to hammer out a contract, too.   Our weak minded Jets trolls are exhibit A as to understanding that contracts matter.  But, now with the new CBA, trading up makes more sense, but with more cost in draft picks/compensation. The rookie cap means the 1st rd picks are more valuable than before BUT the players will also be cheaper.  NE would likely need to part with a 2nd rounder alongside Hoyer and 27 to get to 11, but it might be worth it for a player like Barron. It would make sense more than ever to trade up now VS before, so don't mock people who get this when you don't.  Word on the street is, the Pats are not enamored with this draft class which would mean trading up and then trading out into next year's draft, but getting the players they covet. If you really covet a Barron, then why not?  It's slam dunk pick and you still have your 2nd rounder for someone you covet in Round 2.
    Posted by BassFishing


    No matter how you want to spin it. BB will not do it, when he can get the same value cheaper in a later round.
     
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    In Response to Re: Hoyer + 27 for 11 : No matter how you want to spin it. BB will not do it, when he can get the same value cheaper in a later round.
    Posted by kansaspatriot


    Absolutely nothing I've said above here is "spin". None of it.  It's called reality.  The rookie cap makes rookies cheaper and thus the value of the 1st rd picks higher return compensation.

    Finally, it's rumored NE isn't thrilled with this draft class.  If that rumor is true, which it might be, that's also a fact. We'll find out next weekend.

    BB is FINISHED with collecting a ton of picks and then using them to up his odds in rebuilding his young team.  A few minor impact players are needed to complete the circle, yes.



     
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    In Response to Re: Hoyer + 27 for 11 : Only a complete idiot would blame Tom Brady for giving up a 90 yard drive when the game was on the line.  This is clear proof of just how dumb you are.  Brady makes mistakes like every other QB, but he didn't make Master Eli look all world.
    Posted by JetMangione


    Considering how gassed NE's D was after a horrendous offensive display by NE's 4th qtr offense, the offense was awful both on the AFC title game and for most of the SB.

    NE even had a chance to mount a drivr at the end and still couldn't do it.

    I tip my cap to a fantastic catch by MAnningham, but only a MORON of the highest order pretends multiple chances, to even get a FG, is not needed in a close game like that.

     
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    In Response to Re: Hoyer + 27 for 11 : Good point.  After not being able to hold the Giants to a single 3 and out for the whole game, they must have been exhausted.
    Posted by JetMangione



    How come the Jerks are not doing "Hard Knocks" this year?  Decided to focus on football?
     
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    In Response to Re: Hoyer + 27 for 11 : Only a complete idiot would blame Tom Brady for giving up a 90 yard drive when the game was on the line.  This is clear proof of just how dumb you are.  Brady makes mistakes like every other QB, but he didn't make Master Eli look all world.
    Posted by JetMangione


    It's hard to believe a troll jet's fan makes more sense than Rusty, but that paragraph right there tells the entire Rusty story. Here you are a Jet's fan and even you know how lucky we are to have Brady and how sub par our defense is. This is a sad day...a really sad day. What's next? The Bruins get shut out 1 to 0 today?
     
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    LOL, yeah right. Just what BB always does trade up, costing him more $$$$ in contracts.
    Posted by kansaspatriot

    He would probably do it now since their is a rookie cap. I couldn't see KC wanting to make that trade though. It would be great for the Pats though. 

     
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    In Response to Re: Hoyer + 27 for 11 : Yes!  The brilliance of waiting on McCourty.  First round  bust CBs are hard to find.  He's such a great CB bill wants to move him to safety.  While Kyle Wilson improved greatly in his second year McCourty got much worse.
    Posted by JetMangione


    McCourty certainly didnt look like he made the progress he needs to in his second year. But Kyle Wilson? Why would anyone bring that name into a conversation? It is OK to have an opinion and OK to root for your team but why would you spout fantasies? I suppose you think the Jets got better last year? I suppose your chest thumping about just getting to an AFC title game went by the boards when the Pats not only got there but won it?

    I dont recall you saying anything meaningful about any team in the league. Not the even the Jets. Certainly not about any team outside of the Jets or Pats. And  on the Pats you offer up only negative wishful thinking rather than meaningful observation or insight.

    Good luck with Gholston. Good luck with that O line who thinks ground and pound is what happens TO them rather than what they do. Good luck with going from having the second least accurate starter in the league to adding the least accurate to the roster. Im sure you will be hoping for a rebirth of the single wing offense. Good luck with your coach appointing the MOST divisive player on the Jets to be its captain! Good luck with your weak O being supported by a slowly deteriorating D. Wonder if the Jets will fall to third place in the division.

    How many years do you give the Jets till either they win a division title (not even and AFC title or a SB title) or you realize that they have a bad owner, bad GM and bad coach?

    Are you waiting for the resurrection of Richard Todd?

    Would you place a $10,000 bet on who will end up with the better record during the regular season?
     
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    Put the jet troll on ignore till week 2 of the season when he leaves for good till next off season. The cowardly loser disappeared from here after the Pats spanked the jets last year only to show up a couple of weeks ago. 

    Seriously what kind of loser hangs around trolling the fan forum of a team that he doesn't like? Hey loser I wont be able to see any of the crap that you post back because you are on ignore lol.. Rusty don't even waste you time with the loser. 
     
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    JetMangione is here only to goad russ.
     
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    I sense by BB's actions that he would be willing to buy Hoyer back for perhaps a #40 pick, middle second round, if Hoyer were somehow loose and at a low salary for one year.  Hoyer was the only backup to Brady for a while and that's confidence.  Stuff can happen to Brady at age 35.
     
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