Hoyer and Mallet the next "Kolb"?

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    Hoyer and Mallet the next "Kolb"?

    Both of them have a strong possibility of being a high reward!


    Two Patriots on 'next Kolb' list

    Chris Sprow, a senior editor for ESPN The Magazine and ESPN Insider, posts a piece today in which he examines possibilities for "the next Kevin Kolb" (Insider content). Kolb, of course, is the former Eagles backup who became a hot commodity on the trade market after serving as a backup. 

    Of Sprow's 10 choices, the Patriots are represented twice, with Brian Hoyer (No.3 ranking) and Ryan Mallett (No. 8 ranking). 

    Hoyer is edged out by only Matt Flynn (Packers) and Jimmy Clausen (Panthers), with Sprow noting, "Personnel folks around the league have taken notice. And given that Matt Cassel has proven his skills aren't limited to the New England system, Hoyer's mere existence in that role is currency." 

    As for Mallett, Sprow calls him a "cheap asset that someone else might value more." 

    This piece ties in to one of the themes of tonight's preseason opener, as Hoyer and Mallett figure to play a lot.
     
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    Re: Hoyer and Mallet the next "Kolb"?

    I'd agree. Actually I would say Hoyer is further along then what Cassel was at this point in his career. I'm not saying Hoyer is going to be better but if another team wanted to trade for him I would point to that and say Cassel is a starting QB that brought a team from the bottom of the league to a contender to make the playoffs every year. Hoyer is further along right now then Cassel was back then. It will be interesting to see who they trade in the upcoming years and who they keep to replace Brady down the road
     
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    Re: Hoyer and Mallet the next "Kolb"?

    I just wanna know if kolb is the next kolb
     
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    Interesting that Mallet is a rookie who hasn't played, but is ranked #8 on the list
     
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    I agree with PatsEng.   I don't know how anybody can say that Cassell looked better at the same stage of their careers.   Cassell looked terrible.  I thought he was going to get cut. 
     
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    Re: Hoyer and Mallet the next "Kolb"?

    Hoyer IMO is just a game manager, someone BB thought he could win a game with in a pinch and right out of college. 

    Mallett looks more like the the QB of the future. Now if BB can parlay Hoyer into a high draft pick then he'll have pulled off something great.

     
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    Re: Hoyer and Mallet the next "Kolb"?

    i've heard it said that hoyer cant throw a deep out
     
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    Re: Hoyer and Mallet the next "Kolb"?

    In Response to Re: Hoyer and Mallet the next "Kolb"?:
    [QUOTE]I'd agree. Actually I would say Hoyer is further along then what Cassel was at this point in his career. I'm not saying Hoyer is going to be better but if another team wanted to trade for him I would point to that and say Cassel is a starting QB that brought a team from the bottom of the league to a contender to make the playoffs every year. Hoyer is further along right now then Cassel was back then. It will be interesting to see who they trade in the upcoming years and who they keep to replace Brady down the road
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    And that team would point to the fact that Cassel was far less a contributor and it was the #1 rushing attack that led them to the playoffs. Not to mention an improved defense and he had Charlie calling plays for him. They only made the playoffs last year and he didnt look good at all vs Balty.
     
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    [QUOTE]i've heard it said that hoyer cant throw a deep out
    Posted by patthepatriot666[/QUOTE]

    Hoyer is a game manager not a gun slinger.

    Don't forget Brady wasn't great at tossing the long ball either early in his career. I'd rather have a game manager then a gunslinger like Bledsoe any day. And, I liked Bledsoe

    Don't forget you can build a strong arm but you can't teach game management
     
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    Re: Hoyer and Mallet the next "Kolb"?

    What do most of you think oh Hoyer now? He has impressed me.
     
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    Still a game manager, short to intermediate throws were good, long throws were wing and a prayer...
     
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       I am very impressed with Hoyer. He has played a great game. He looks alot more at ease this year. It looks as if the game has slowed down for him a little.
     
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    Re: Hoyer and Mallet the next "Kolb"?

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?id=6455073&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft2011%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d6455073

    Originally Published: April 30, 2011

    Behind Patriots' Ryan Mallett strategy

    Former Arkansas QB could become valuable trade bait down the road

    WickershamBy Seth Wickersham
    ESPN Insider
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    Ryan MallettMatthew Stockman/Getty ImagesRyan Mallett dropped to the third round but he is considered the draft's best passer.

     

     

    If you're wondering why the New England Patriots picked former Arkansas quarterback Ryan Mallett, it's not that complicated. He makes New England better, in the short term and long term.

     

     

    No? Well, first consider what the Patriots got: At the league's most important position -- the most valuable position -- they picked the top-ranked pure passer on not only their own board, according to Adam Schefter, but on other teams' boards, too. They got a bargain in terms of third-round value and salary. Nobody knows what the presumed rookie scale will be, but let's say Mallett signs a deal for $1.25 million a year. When was the last time a team drafted its top-ranked QB that cheap?

     

     

    Mallett could come into Foxborough well-capable of beating out Brian Hoyer as Tom Brady's backup. And that position has currency. Can Mallett win games? Nobody knows. But if he does, every team in the NFL will be watching and wondering what type of trade it will take to pry Mallett away, just as it worked with Matt Cassel.

     

     

     

    That is why Bill Belichick trades down. That is why he trades veterans for second-day picks. You're almost guaranteed to find bargains in the second and third rounds. Of course, he is not alone in the philosophy. Most data-driven teams -- the Philadelphia Eagles and San Francisco 49ers, to name a couple -- have complicated formulas that assign value to each pick. It takes into account a player's position, his expected compensation, the team's need, the team's future needs and a host of other factors.

     

     

    But Belichick pulls the trigger when others don't because, in the end, he can always fall back on winning. The Pats were 14-2 last year. Yes, they have holes, but when it comes to cheap, talented quarterbacks, value supersedes need, especially in the third round. It puts Belichick in a permanent position of treating the draft as if his team is in rebuilding mode -- after all, picks are currency -- without the baggage of, you know, rebuilding.

     

     

    Yes, Mallett has character concerns. He comes off, as a friend of mine said, "like a guy I knew in high school who sharpened pens in the pencil sharpener and lit cigarettes in class on a dare." Again, though, Belichick can fall back on his strengths. Nothing serves as a better corrective for NFL problem children than winning and being challenged mentally. Winning changes their attitudes; football knowledge gains their respect. Yes, a malcontent might always be a malcontent (See: Randy Moss), but rookies, especially ones who lost millions on draft day, know they have the most to gain.

     

     

    Belichick is one of the NFL's most underrated quarterback tutors. ... Tom Brady has told people close to him that, no offense to other Patriots coaches, nobody matches Belichick's acumen.

     

     

    Not for nothing: He might not be on the QB coach level of Mike Martz, but Belichick is one of the NFL's most underrated quarterback tutors. He assumed the role in 2001, when Dick Rehbein died, and has since met with the quarterbacks, alone, three times every week in what one Pats employee once told me were "unbelievably high-level game-planning sessions." As I wrote in a 2009 story about Belichick's coaching tree, Brady has "told people close to him that, no offense to other Patriots coaches, nobody matches Belichick's acumen."

     

     

    In an otherwise forgettable story I wrote in 2008 about the difficulty in predicting a QB's pro potential from college performance, then-Niners GM Scot McCloughan, who was taught by former Green Bay Packers architect Ron Wolf, said someone "who's had two out of every 10 quarterbacks he's drafted turn into Pro Bowlers -- he's a genius."

     

     

    Well, guess what. Belichick has drafted seven quarterbacks in his career as a head coach, and two -- Brady and Cassel -- have made it to the Pro Bowl. Obviously, there's a lot of luck involved. But Mallett will get better from Belichick's instruction and Brady's example. Assuming he can keep his personal issues in check, Mallett will erase the biggest cause of his slide in this year's draft. Let's say Brady stays healthy for the next few years. What kind of value will Mallett have, if his arm is the same as the one that most scouts love, if his head is clear and if he's been witness to one of the most successful QB-coach combos ever?

     

     

    Today's third-rounder will become tomorrow's first.

     

     

    Which you just know they'll trade out of.

     
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    Re: Hoyer and Mallet the next "Kolb"?

    Mallet already looks like a young vet.
     
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    Based on this first preseason game, I agree with that list. Hoyer looked good in the first half, looks like he has come a way over last year. Mallett as well looked pretty good. He needs to learn to take some steam off the ball now and then so he doesn't break his WR's hands. But, overall, we have a good #2 and #3 QB.
     
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