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    Ricky Saap OLB Clemson
      22 (26%)
    Patrick Robinson CB Florida St
      1 (1%)
    C.J. Spiller RB Clemson
      17 (20%)
    Jerry Hughes OLB TCU
      22 (26%)
    Jared Odrick DE Penn State
      14 (17%)
    Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida
      6 (7%)

    There were 82 votes total, I don't think it was a surprice that OLB would end tied as what you all want at 22 but it was a surprice to see Saap and Hughes would end in a tie.  Both are create players but thought fans were more on the Hughes side than Saap.  Below are the draft projection for both. 
    CJ Spiller as the closest, with the depth at running back this year I agree with waiting to pickup a running back in the 2nd or later rounds

    Jerry Hughes - TCU (HT: 6'5" | WT: 255)
    Projection: 1st-2nd Round

    Strengths:
    -Led the nation with 15 sacks and six forced fumbles in 2008, had 11 sacks in 2009
    -Tremendous pass rusher who would be an ideal fit as an OLB for a 3-4 defense
    -Great initial burst, has the speed to turn the corner
    -Incredible combination of size and speed
    -A very good run stopper who looks fluid on the pass rush
    -Has long arms and a strong lower body
    -Should be able to drop into coverage at the next level

    Weaknesses:
    -Needs to develop more pass rushing moves, right now only utilizes the spin move
    -May be a product of TCU's coaches and defensive scheme, neither Chase Ortiz or Tommy Blake translated to the NFL
    -Should add some strength, but he has some room on his frame to do so

    Sergio Kindle - Texas (HT: 6'4" | WT: 239)
    Projection: 1st Round

    Strengths:
    -Relentless pass rusher, never gives up and can play in a 3-point stance
    -Tweener DE/OLB, but his size will make him an ideal fit as a 3-4 OLB
    -Productive, put up 10 sacks and 12.5 TFL in 2008 as a junior, numbers fell off as a senior but was still a force to be reckoned with as seen in the National Championship game where he recorded 2.5 sacks
    -Has solid speed for an OLB. Runs in the 4.65-4.75 range which will be good enough to stay with the majority of TE's in the NFL
    -Knows how to make a big hit, doesn't just fall on guys, loves to deliver blows and looks to punish whoever has the football
    -Has the biggest upside of any of the linebackers in this years class

    Weaknesses:
    -Character questions arose in June 2009 when Kindle drove his car into a building; however this shouldn't be too big of a concern (he was texting while driving, hardly something that will scare off GMs)
    -Has all the physical attributes you look for, but doesn't seem to have all the intellectual parts of the position figured out... plays out of position sometimes and doesn't diagnose plays as quickly as you would like
    -When a blocker has a hold of him, he has a hard time getting off the block to make the play

    I think a realistic scenario is both guys been there available at different picks, both will be available (should be) at 22 and I think Hughes slips down into the second round.  With all the needs I doubt two picks are used on OLB back to back 22nd and 42nd but what a statement that would make!

    My next poll will be posted tonight, will take the best FA options on offense and post them.  Lets see who we want to come on board.

     
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    Ricky Saap OLB Clemson
      22 (26%)- Don't like him in Rd 1.
    Patrick Robinson CB Florida St
      1 (1%)- Don't like him in Rd 1.
    C.J. Spiller RB Clemson
      17 (20%)- Won't be available at 22
    Jerry Hughes OLB TCU
      22 (26%)- Solid pick
    Jared Odrick DE Penn State
      14 (17%)- Solid pick
    Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida
      6 (7%)- Won't be available at 22


    I still have my eye on Spikes and have added Odrick to the mix. 
     
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    An awful lot of good OL there too.  But I tend to go with the Odrick pick.  Seems like the Bill thing to do. 

    As far as a pass rusher goes I've changed my mind on that after reading about all the busts that come out for that spot.  Very high risk.  Kindle is an absolute tease.  He will grade very high at the combine but a lot of those QB hurries he recorded will come into question.  Very few sacks for a college pass rush guy.  Come draft time I think he slides.

    Brandon Spikes has been dropping on a lot of boards.  High 2nd rounder it seems.
     
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    I have been thinking we will have a few OL/DL options at 22 and will be able to pickup LBs in the 2nd.  With three picks we can pick a OLB CB RB/WR or another DE/DT. 
     
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    Bye bye first round pick! BB will trade out for a slew of picks. This is a BB habit.
     
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    Depends on your definition of "legit TE", he has had two 1st round TE's though.
     
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    Russ what do you consider a legit TE? The Patriot offensive system does not feature the TE as a pass catcher, if they have it working the way they want it.

    As mbeau said they had 2 first round TE's. 

    There is also more evidence to the contrary. Baker averaged like 25 - 30 receptions in the 3 year previous to coming to NE. Comes here and we don't through to him.

    Dave Thomas never caught squat here because we never threw to him. He goes to the saints as a backup TE and catches more there in one season then he did in his career in NE, I believe. At least close to it.

    Daniel Graham the 2 years prior to going to Denver he has 37 receptions for the patriots. The next 2 years in Denver he had 57 receptions.

    Anyone see a pattern here? Is it the system or does Brady just not like throwing to the TE? Bottom line is all these guys catch more passes elsewhere than they do here in NE.

    The Pats fans on here always have a warped sense of reality when it comes to our own players.

    Everyone loves to bash the Maroney, and Light too. Take a look at some numbers from around the league by comparison and those guys start looking pretty darn decent. You can see some of that here.

    Patriots fans or at least the ones on this board are always unrealistic. They want instant gratification and if every single player on the Patriots at every single position is not a top 3 in the entire league its time to release him or trade him.


     
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    LOw I agree on the TE, we just don't use them as IMO we could to balance the O.

    On the Maroney front, I dont understand amout immediate graification, it's been what 4 years of this guy?  We've all said ok next year, IMO he's an average back could be worse but we've could certainly be better there.

    For Light, he IS still a good LT but doesn't have much left a couple of years so why not try to get something for him?  We have the LT of the future already, if we can get a RT in FA or that will be a need going into the draft I think LIght gets traded he's do to make 4.7 mil this year.
     
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    Russ what do you consider a legit TE? The Patriot offensive system does not feature the TE as a pass catcher, if they have it working the way they want it.

    As mbeau said they had 2 first round TE's. 

    There is also more evidence to the contrary. Baker averaged like 25 - 30 receptions in the 3 year previous to coming to NE. Comes here and we don't through to him.

    Dave Thomas never caught squat here because we never threw to him. He goes to the saints as a backup TE and catches more there in one season then he did in his career in NE, I believe. At least close to it.

    Daniel Graham the 2 years prior to going to Denver he has 37 receptions for the patriots. The next 2 years in Denver he had 57 receptions.

    Anyone see a pattern here? Is it the system or does Brady just not like throwing to the TE? Bottom line is all these guys catch more passes elsewhere than they do here in NE.

    The Pats fans on here always have a warped sense of reality when it comes to our own players.

    Everyone loves to bash the Maroney, and Light too. Take a look at some numbers from around the league by comparison and those guys start looking pretty darn decent. You can see some of that here.

    Patriots fans or at least the ones on this board are always unrealistic. They want instant gratification and if every single player on the Patriots at every single position is not a top 3 in the entire league its time to release him or trade him.


    I have to disagree with you on this. I think the real reason that TE's don't get thrown to on a consistent basis has more to do with the Pats two turn style OT's in "Door" Matt Light and Nick Kazcualty. These OT's constantly need help with pass protection which is why our TE's are kept at the line to help. If Vollmer continues to be the "Berlin" Wall that he is and the Pats are able to pick up a legit RT, I think we all will see the TE's as added weapons in the passing game.
     
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    Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

    Thats who I would like to see.
     
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    I vote for Kindle
     
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    More I think about it the more I think the patriots will trade their 22nd pick and slide a bit further down in the draft. possibly later in the first or try to grab an early (30s pick in the second round). I think there is a ton of valuable / talented players falling into the second rounds. Unless guys like Dunlap, Spiller, or Kindle are available at 22. I dont see them choosing players that could be available in the second round, such as Spikes, Hughes, Sapp, or Wootten. Well get more clarification after the combine on whos stock is rising and falling.

     
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    I would love to see BB address the LB situation. But knowing BB, he will make some unpopular decisions on his picks.  All this draft talk is exciting, but I have a feeling most of us are going to be disappointed.
     
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    Can't remember who it was who brought up a very good and valid point.

    Because of all of the depth in this draft and possible 1st round talent available in the 2nd the Pats might find it harder to trade down BUT here's the big BUT, it only takes one team to be high on a guy to make a trade.

    Last year Baltimore wanted their OT of the future and were willing to make the trade.  Team's draft boards are completely different, because the Pats do not find value against need at 22 doesn't mean another team has a player available ranked high intheir's and can make that call.

    Will it be more difficult yes but is it impossible to make a trade NO.  Boston I think the Pats do move down but don't think it will be out of the 1st.  I believe they want a 3rd rounder because again there's A LOT of depth this year so they will look to move knowing they can still grad an impact player.

    Also because of the depth, some top 20 talent will drop into the 20s that could also mean a team trades to get back inot the 1st round to pickup that type of player.  If that happens maybe a 2nd 2010 and 3rd 2010 and a 2011 4th? maybe could be traded for a team to grad a second 1st rounder with all that been said...
    WHO THE HEL L knows what will happen, I think this will be an extremely fun offseason and very good draft for us.
     
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    Pats - you make a solid point on the fact that theres so much talent to be grabbed later in the rounds. We all know trades are going to happen and the patriots are ALWAYS the biggest movers on the big day. I dont see the patriots neglecting the entire 3rd round here. could possibly trade into the third once it arrives and players are shown available. I strongly feel that the biggest impact players in this draft will come between picks 20s - 50s.

    Does Adilius Thomas garner a 3rd round pick if we sent him somewhere? whats his overall value? Maybe along with a 5th or so.

     
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    Boston-kyle,

    You stated "I strongly feel that the biggest impact players in this draft will come between picks 20s - 50s."

    I think the best "value" will come between the top 20-50 picks, but not necessarily the biggest impact players.  Suh, McCoy and Berry at the top of the draft should be the biggest impact players.

    IMO Adalius doesn't net more than a 4th or 5th rounder, especially due to the assumed depth of this draft, unless Al Dav-ius is involved.
     
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    I think Thomas will get a 4th to 5th at best. 
     
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    I think the problem that the Pats with have trading AD is how public the dirty laundry was during the season.  Teams and NFL management know what BBs style is and they expect AD to be released eventually so I don't think there will be a market for him when they can pick him up.

    With that been said, if a team (again as a trade in the draft, all it takes is one team) thinks there is going to be a high demand for this guy as a FA they might make the call and offer a late round pick or two.  I don't think we'll get anything better than a 5th (that would be a gift IMO) or a 6th and 7th.  I would take any offer for him, also an option is trade him for another player.  I don't know if this is really and option but would be something to look at.

    IMO the draft top ten will be unlike others, there are going to be a ton of defensive players drafted even in the top 15 this could mean some LTs fall into range of 22.  With teams placing a high priority on those you never know if we can get some good picks for a team looking to move up and get their LT.
    It is not crazy to have a team pick in the teans or earlier and then look to get a second 1st rounder this year and are willing to trade their 2nd and 2011 picks to do that.
    Team like Oakland (dont know why I picked them haha) but they draft 8 and I also think they go QB here but they also need a LT to pretect their QB a scenario could be they trade their 2010 2nd, 3rd and maybe even a 6th for the Pats 22nd is it possible who knows but sure isn't imposible for these type of moves to be made. 
     
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    Rodimus77

    I must be missing your point because mine was that the TE's don't get thrown to.  Am I missing something because it seems you are saying the same thing so I am confused as to why you think you disagree.


    The reason why?


    Who cares, the point was that they don't get thrown to and not that we need to go searching for another 1st round TE.


    Mbeau

    The TE from Miami, I think it was, that you had been posting about and listing him to the pats in the 6th or 7th round got too much love at the senior bowl. Good job recognizing him but I don't think he's lasting that far anymore.
     
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    Low-FB-IQ,
    Thanks!  Yeah, he may have worked himself into the 4-5 range this week.
     
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    Maybe once there is a slotting system in place with reasonable money going to unproven players we will finally get "ALL" the invited seniors to actually show up to the senior bowl.

    Better yet find a way to insure players and invite the declared juniors as well and change the bowl name.

    I kept reading what a great shutdown corner Hayden is then someone sent me a clip of him vs. LeFell from LSU and LaFell had 5 or 6 catches and a few drops on balls thrown behind him but had Hayden beat on those as well.

    I am always Leary on who is ranking these guys. I have seen many times a guy is ranked high and then I take the time to go look at all the guys he played against and none of his opponents are being considered for draft or considered to be a high draft pick.

    After putting together a consolidated report on a few senior bowl practices it make me wonder even more about what is being written. After trying to consolidate over a dozen different sources I found it strikingly odd how often there were such contradictory views on guys. I am not talking about tick-tacky differences either. More like this guy was great today while the next guy saying this guy really struggled today. Same guy, same day. Huh?

    The one thing I do feel good about is that I watched the TCU vs Boise State bowl game to watch Hughes because of everyone talking about him. Eh he was ok in that game. Pretty good. The guy who jumped out at you watching that game was Daryl Washington. So it was good to see he got a lot of love at the senior bowl and I wasn't just seeing a mirage.
     

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