http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ - The Patriots Real Problem

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    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ - The Patriots Real Problem

    Check out the article on the Patriots.  Maybe the author posts here on BDC.  The comments are split and written with a lot of "passion".

     
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    The Patriots win more often than not, because of Tom Brady and the offense. When Tom and the offense sputter, the defense hasn't been able to overcome and win the big games.

    The problem is the whole team underperforms in the clutch, that includes the offense, defense, special teams and coaches.

     
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    Thing is in the past Brady could stink up the joint and the defense would bail him out. The margin of error on Bradyès part has increased (as in he can't throw INTs in big games). The defense has been rebuilt and is improving, but they still aren't at the point where the can win big games against stiff competition if Brady plays poorly or the offense sputters in 2nd half.

     
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    Thing is in the past Brady could stink up the joint and the defense would bail him out. The margin of error on Bradyès part has increased (as in he can't throw INTs in big games). The defense has been rebuilt and is improving, but they still aren't at the point where the can win big games against stiff competition if Brady plays poorly or the offense sputters in 2nd half.

     




    But, really, how many Ds bail out bad performances by QBs on their team? When Cutler or Romo, both QBs on teams with good Ds last year, meltdown, those Ds don't always bail them out.

     

    It's simply not true. Sure, it can happen, but it's not some regular thing. At all.

    For example, I am not sure we beat the Ravens even if the D got it's usual 2 turnovers. That's how bad our offense was.

    Some of our fans hold our D's feet to the fire, demanding Pick 6s and whatnot, while Brady throws INTs or makes bad decisions. The arrogance with it is out of control.

     




    Speaking of out of control....That would be you.

    The D NEVER gets their 2.4 picks a game unless the O is so far ahead that the other team is forced to throw.

    When the O is not scoring 30+ points and 3 scores ahead it NEVER happens.

    The D's picks are a by- product of the Offensive brilliance, making teams one dimensional.

      I doubt they would have 10 picks a year without the O blowing out teams.

    Therefore in the pay-offs, while the O is playing an actual NFL D and a good offense, the D disappears because they really suck.  Thus the 31st ranking and extremely poor DPR before and during the play-offs.

    Who cares how many points they score.  They would have won if BB didn't have to sell his soul for just one more 35 second possession, because there weren't nearly enough of them and the D was about to lose it any way.  SOLD HIS SOUL!

    If an offense has a lead in the waning moments of the game, they don't have to be bailed out.  They have the lead.  It's up to the D to hold that lead.  The D is incapable of doing that.   O's don't blow leads.  They sit on leads or extend leads. 

    The blowing belongs to the D and has for years.

    Poor drafting  (DB's & Wr's) and FA pick ups will do that to a team.

     
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    Thing is in the past Brady could stink up the joint and the defense would bail him out. The margin of error on Bradyès part has increased (as in he can't throw INTs in big games). The defense has been rebuilt and is improving, but they still aren't at the point where the can win big games against stiff competition if Brady plays poorly or the offense sputters in 2nd half.

     




    But, really, how many Ds bail out bad performances by QBs on their team? When Cutler or Romo, both QBs on teams with good Ds last year, meltdown, those Ds don't always bail them out.

     

    It's simply not true. Sure, it can happen, but it's not some regular thing. At all.

    For example, I am not sure we beat the Ravens even if the D got it's usual 2 turnovers. That's how bad our offense was.

    Some of our fans hold our D's feet to the fire, demanding Pick 6s and whatnot, while Brady throws INTs or makes bad decisions. The arrogance with it is out of control.

     

     




    Speaking of out of control....That would be you.

     

    The D NEVER gets their 2.4 picks a game unless the O is so far ahead that the other team is forced to throw.

    When the O is not scoring 30+ points and 3 scores ahead it NEVER happens.

    The D's picks are a by- product of the Offensive brilliance, making teams one dimensional.

      I doubt they would have 10 picks a year without the O blowing out teams.

    Therefore in the pay-offs, while the O is playing an actual NFL D and a good offense, the D disappears because they really suck.  Thus the 31st ranking and extremely poor DPR before and during the play-offs.

    Who cares how many points they score.  They would have won if BB didn't have to sell his soul for just one more 35 second possession, because there weren't nearly enough of them and the D was about to lose it any way.  SOLD HIS SOUL!

    If an offense has a lead in the waning moments of the game, they don't have to be bailed out.  They have the lead.  It's up to the D to hold that lead.  The D is incapable of doing that.   O's don't blow leads.  They sit on leads or extend leads. 

    The blowing belongs to the D and has for years.

    Poor drafting  (DB's & Wr's) and FA pick ups will do that to a team.

     




    That's false, too. Even Pat Chung had one in Miami for a pick 6 in 2010 with a feeble offensive output by our crappy Moss/Welker based offense in early 2010.

     

    I could go on and on.

    When NE's D started getting really good at popping balls out in 2010 or picking balls off, they were doing that in close games, many times, it would CHANGE the game.

    They were good at it in 2011 and 2012, too, it was most certainly and absolutely not just in games with big leads.

    Total fabrication by you.

     

     




    WHOOOO HOOOO!

     

    Chung had a pick against Mark Sanchez!  Who hasn't?

    They also allowed him to have one of the statisically best games of his career.

    As they so often do with some of the worst QB's EVA!

    8 pick a yr D without TB!

     
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    Re: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ - The Patriots Real Problem

    In response to jjdbrasil's comment:

    Check out the article on the Patriots.  Maybe the author posts here on BDC.  The comments are split and written with a lot of "passion".



    This is exactly what Ive been saying for a couple if years. The article is spot on, the defense plays at about the same level or better than in the regular season while the offense falls apart. They beat up the bad teams and pad their stats. I want the offense to crush teams in the playoffs but this offense isn't good enough. Highly overrated. The 03-05 offense rose to the occasion and scored more in the playoffs, a lot of it was their style of play, no finesse and more smash mouth and screens. what we are seeing is the Colts offense from a few years ago. Set records in the season and shut down in the playoffs. I also agree that the defense needs to play better but they are clearly improving. This years d should be tough.

    -Offense not as good as we all think based on regular season performance. Belichick and Brady thrive on poor teams and weak division, run up alot of points. But this offense even in regular season has exhibited a sharp falloff against good D's. This happens with all offenses, but the falloff is sharper with the Pats (hypothesis - not sure if proveable). If this is happening, its really the same issue as above in playoffs. Why?

     

     
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    It could be that Brady is a choker and a spoiled brat who won't give up shotgun formations and Belichick isn't a good enough coach to realize the problem or control the player . . . 

    Or it could be that the offensive weapons around Brady are not quite as deep or diverse as needed to challenge the best defenses all over the field or to overcome an injury to a key player (like Gronk or, on the line, Mankins or Vollmer). That, and the defense simply doesn't have the talent to be relied upon not to give up a big pass play at an inopportune moment. 

    I pick the latter (gaps in talent), but we've got a whole contingent of "fans" who think the former (bad coaching and a choker QB) . . . 

    We can argue until the cow's come home, but no one is going to change their opinion, so why bother?

     

     
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    I think if we won the superbowl.. some on here would still be putting down Brady.... some would still complain about the defense and some would say BB and his staff should have done a better job....The fact is we are a winning organization and have been for a long period of time. We need to do somethings better and whether that is open up the passing, be conservative or get Rice, Owens and Speedy Gonzales at WR we will never agree how to fix it. Same on D, we could go out and sign all the Free Agents and people will still complain

    How about we enjoy the fact that we have a good coach, a good quarterback, a good "TEAM" and we win a lot of games and are either in or close to SB every year.

    Don't take me wrong I want to win the SB every year and sulk for days or weeks when we are knocked out before we do. But I think all this I know better than you and if the coach only did what I say is all just utter BS....any opinion if said long enough can be backed up with some data that proves it....

    Just sayin... enjoy the ride it might be over before you know it.

     
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    It could be that Brady is a choker and a spoiled brat who won't give up shotgun formations and Belichick isn't a good enough coach to realize the problem or control the player . . . 

    Or it could be that the offensive weapons around Brady are not quite as deep or diverse as needed to challenge the best defenses all over the field or to overcome an injury to a key player (like Gronk or, on the line, Mankins or Vollmer). That, and the defense simply doesn't have the talent to be relied upon not to give up a big pass play at an inopportune moment. 

    I pick the latter (gaps in talent), but we've got a whole contingent of "fans" who think the former (bad coaching and a choker QB) . . . 

    We can argue until the cow's come home, but no one is going to change their opinion, so why bother?

     



    +1,  for to long we've have a 1 dimensional O and I blame that on player personal more then I do on Brady or coaching. With Vereen and Ridley emerging I'm hoping they have more faith in them this next year. I'm hoping that they also diversify the WR core better but so far this offseason I'm not to happy with the results. I don't like the walking wounded as #1 and #2 guys right now and I don't like molasses and Slater as #3 and #4 guys. That's a scary WR to give to Brady. With some luck they can trade Mallett for a 2nd or 3rd and sign Sanders who should be some durability to that #2 WR spot. Then draft a high upside kid like Bailey, Rogers, or Wheaton. It would go a long way to diversitfy the WR's and add some real talent to the core. Of course I still want them to bring in Nelson or Ramses to compete against molasses for the RZ WR position

     
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    I agree Eng.  I didn't like the WRs last year and think so far we've barely treaded water.  Think back to last preseason and remember how fans were absolutely gushing over Lloyd.  We see some of the same this year with Amendola.  Don't get me wrong--I think Lloyd was decent and I think Amendola will be decent too most likely.  However, I didn't see Lloyd as a saviour and I don't see Amendola that way either.  And the rest of the receiver corp is pretty weak in my opinion.  I'm holding out hope for the draft, but if we don't get one very good receiver and some decent depth, I think we'll continue to see times when the offense sputters.  Like it or not, we're an offense that passes around 55% of the time. Succeeding on those plays with only short middle field options (TEs and slots) is pretty challenging.  Why not give Brady a bit more on the outside and deep?

     
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    I agree Eng.  I didn't like the WRs last year and think so far we've barely treaded water.  Think back to last preseason and remember how fans were absolutely gushing over Lloyd.  We see some of the same this year with Amendola.  Don't get me wrong--I think Lloyd was decent and I think Amendola will be decent too most likely.  However, I didn't see Lloyd as a saviour and I don't see Amendola that way either.  And the rest of the receiver corp is pretty weak in my opinion.  I'm holding out hope for the draft, but if we don't get one very good receiver and some decent depth, I think we'll continue to see times when the offense sputters.  Like it or not, we're an offense that passes around 55% of the time. Succeeding on those plays with only short middle field options (TEs and slots) is pretty challenging.  Why not give Brady a bit more on the outside and deep?



    You know I'd actually like the Amendola signing right now if they had 2 durable starting caliber WR's right now. AMendola has a lot of upside and a different skill set then Welker. Amendola isn't as good of a route runner as Welker and I doubt he's going to have the same chemistry with Brady as Welker did (lets face it the Brady Welker chemistry was off the charts) but Amendola is dynamic after the catch and cna play outside which is an added dimension. The huge elephant in the room though is if he can stay healthy. I know they were freak injures but he's hurt 5 different parts of his body over the last 2 years. Injury prone is injury prone and some players just don't have any luck, kind of like Edelman. Now, as I said if they can get Sanders as the #2 and draft a WR with high upside then I'd feel a lot better with WR core, but not at the expense of adding quality players to the CB core (the one bad thing about only have 3 picks in the top 150). It's just scary to think our top 2 WR's right now have played in less then half their available games in the last 2 years. That should scare most people, though I do think Jones is an upgrade to Branch (even durability wise)

     
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    As if just because football outsiders says it that it now makes sense to some folks.

    I already posted long ago the summary of what FO capitalized in its own article. As well as the same basic little table showing the difference in offense and defense performance of regular season avg vs big time post season losses.

    It's not rocket science. It's fundamental. 

    It is not a coincidence that from 1970 to present that only ONE team has won the AFCCG scoring 13 points or fewer. In 1991 the Bills beat the Broncos 10-7.

    It is also not a coincidence that you have to go all the way back to 1975 to find a single team who has won a superbowl by scoring 17 points or fewer. (That excludes the Giants who beat the Patriots 17-14, since we are talking about the Pats.)

     

     

     
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