http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ - The Patriots Real Problem

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    What does that prove exactly? 

     

    SD had a 72% completion rate and the Pats still won.

    Indy had a 84% completion rate and the Pats still won.

    I stopped looking after finding two quickly and easily addressing your point.

    The Pats still won those games because the offense did not puuuke all over themselves.

    Yeah we know and most if not all have said the D was what they were and played to what they were in the SB. They were the 31st rated pass defense in the league. They did what they did for most of the season.

    What is your point other than proving our point?



    I've noticed people keep bringing up this post when arguing with prolate.  This is a silly point.  Against San Diego the D forced 5 turnovers (2 fumbles, 2 ints and a 4th down stop at the goal line).  Against Indy they forced 2.  Allowing that high of a percentage of passes to be completed IS NOT GOOD.  The defense made up for it with turnovers.  Something they didn't do in the SB.  People arguing that giving up a high completion percentage on that many passes had no effect on the outcome of the game are delusional.

     
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    It was always about being less predictable. Which for our offense meant running more as everybody knew we would pass more often then not for the past 6 years.

    Are you blaming the running game for our horrible showing in the afc game?

    I guess if you want to get right down to it I would say Tom Brady sucked, Hernandez sucked, Lloyd sucked, WW was contained and only showed up on the stat sheet because the Ravens gave him his 7 yard catches knowing he couldnt break a long 1, our O-line didn't get push, our RB's had no vision and couldn't make anything happen.

    Maybe you just think it is coincidence, or maybe you think we have no talent, but when I see a team score 35 ppg I know they have talent, they just couldn't play clutch football, and I know what that is, it's coaching/motivating guys to get up for the moment. Nothing more.



    This is pure deflection.  We ran the ball in that game just like people wanted and we still lost.  Running the ball is not a panacea as many have been saying here for years.

     
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    Umm, it was the first play and a run game wasn't even attempted to be started yet. How new are you to football?

     

    lol



    Obviously you are.  Coaches have routinely run play action before "establishing the run" (whatever that means) for years.  You realize of course that the first say 15 plays are scripted meaning BB signed off on the gameplan.  You must think he is an idiot for that playcall.

     
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    I'm going to keep harping on the last AFC championship game.  I've already pointed out we were balanced for most of the game.  We ran a lot of plays from under center for most of the game and yet we still didn't play well offensively.  Rusty of course can deny this all he wants, but I've already posted the numbers.  Maybe it's because most of that stuff is just noise and we just got outplayed?

     
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    I don't know what "establishing the run" is because you have changed whatever meaning you have in your head so many times it is painful.  Perhaps it should just be games we lose we didn't establish the run.  Right?

     
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    Also complaining about the shotgun hurry up drive to end the 1st half in the Championship game is hilarious.  ALL TEAMS DO THIS.  Methodically drive?  We ran out of time before we could score a TD and had to settle for a FG and you wanted us to slow it down more.  LMFAO.

     
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    Earth to Rusty.  Basically every team in the NFL subs RBs.  The NFL has changed.  You have never presented an iota of evidence that this has any effect on the ability of the offense to function.  You just keep saying it.  I mean jesus Christ they sub in Pierce for Rice all the time in Baltimore.  WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

     
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    In response to RidingWithTheKingII's comment:

    PS, look above, I just pointed out another flaw with Welker:

    Anyone ever notice he wasn't as effective out of plays under Center?

    YEP.

    Maddening to think about, isn't it?  Our entire offense was centered around Brady and Welker's buddydom and the fact that Welker's only brilliance as a player is because he can shake coverage immediately within a 5 yard box, which means if Brady is under Center, the odds of Welker shaking coverage past that 5 yards, while Brady is dropping back to pass, is LESS.

    YEP.

    Great try, nice offense, but it FAILED and it FAILS over 4 qtrs. I don't care who is to blame, why it wasn't perfect, just fix the garbage.

    Real Pats fans care about the TEAM and winning A SB not making it super easy for Brady to coast down the field vs mostly bad or average Ds to pad stats and put his hands back in his pockets for another 1st down.

    Blanance and deception over 4 qtrs.  That's what the goal should be.



    You're  getting hotter here Rusty.  Starting to realize that the talent around Brady wasn't quite what it has been cracked up to be.

     
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    What does that prove exactly? 

     

     

    SD had a 72% completion rate and the Pats still won.

    Indy had a 84% completion rate and the Pats still won.

    I stopped looking after finding two quickly and easily addressing your point.

    The Pats still won those games because the offense did not puuuke all over themselves.

    Yeah we know and most if not all have said the D was what they were and played to what they were in the SB. They were the 31st rated pass defense in the league. They did what they did for most of the season.

    What is your point other than proving our point?

     



    I've noticed people keep bringing up this post when arguing with prolate.  This is a silly point.  Against San Diego the D forced 5 turnovers (2 fumbles, 2 ints and a 4th down stop at the goal line).  Against Indy they forced 2.  Allowing that high of a percentage of passes to be completed IS NOT GOOD.  The defense made up for it with turnovers.  Something they didn't do in the SB.  People arguing that giving up a high completion percentage on that many passes had no effect on the outcome of the game are delusional.

     



    If I'm not mistaken, the games Low-FB-IQ was referring to weren't playoff games. I think they were the 2011 regular season games against SD and Indy.  Rivers had about a 70% completion rate in that game and Orlovsky (my God!) had something like an 80% completion rate! 

    We won those games . . . but both were similar in that they featured late game breakdowns by the defense. All they prove is that our pass defense in 2011 was atrocious.  An 80% completion rate for Dan Orlovsky?  You gotta be kidding me . . . (but I was there and saw it in front of my own eyes). 

     

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