If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

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    If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

    Understanding that Green is likely to go no later than #7 in the draft next year and the Raider pick unlikely to move up that high,


    if available,

    would Belichick even draft Green?


    Although I would love to see this, I do not think Belichick would do so.



     
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    Re: If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

    I've learned that I'll never correctly predict who BB will take in the first round. Players that are projected to be late firsts or second round picks are typically the ones he wants, so I'd recommend looking at some of the players that aren't the "sexy" picks. They are probably the ones that will be picked by the Pats.

    I think he's going to focus on the D or O-lines and the linebacker position. He will probably pick up a running back in the second or third round as well.

    Now that I said that he's probably going to pick Green...
     
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    Re: If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

    I'd be shocked if he took Green....I could see him going after another DB like Prince though....
     
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    Re: If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

    If Prince is there when the N.E.'s first,first round choice(Oakland)comes around the Pats should send a "thank you"note and a nice gift to every GM who bypassed him and tke take about 2 seconds to select this young CB.Though the chances of that happening are slim,you could find equally strange things having happened in the past and one can only hope that history repeats itself,but don't believe it is possible and just say thank you if absurd insanity strikes a bunch of other teams.
     
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    Re: If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

    I dont see another corner w/ that pick. Dont forget Bodden will be back next year and hes still got 3 yrs on his contract, and its not like he suffered a leg injury that might mess him up, hes still relatively young and had a shoulder injury? I dont see him drafting a CB with that pick to be a nickel corner because i can see them getting by w/ arrington/butler/willhite as a nickel corner.
    I think they will sure up the trenches, maybe get the replacement for mankins if he doesnt end up coming back, otherwise DL. 
    Outside shot: WR + RB playmaker.
     
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    Re: If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

    Oakland has 6 wins with 3 games left. They win at least against Denver and have a shot again KC. I don't know if it's likely they have a top 8 pick. 
     
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    Re: If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

    This is my mock draft for the Patriots first two days:

    Oakland first round pick (10-20 range): Robert Quinn
    Patriots first round pick (28-32): Traded for DeAngelo Williams
    Carolina's second round pick (33-36 range): Jake Locker
    Patriots second round pick (60-64 range): Stefen Wisniewski
    Vikings third round pick (70-76 range): Mark Herzlich

    AJ Green I think goes before we even pick, not that we couldn't trade up for any one prospect we really want. I think Mike Brewster, the center from Ohio State, is a real gem and definitely someone any team would love to get on their team. I wouldn't mind seeing him drafted at all. He will likely have the ability to play all five offensive line positions by the time he starts to establish himself as a true professional.

    The fan get-up vote in my mock: DeAngelo Williams; any fan that somewhat follows the NFL will know what an asset DeAngelo can be and the type of talents he'd be able to blend with the styles of Danny Woodhead and LawFirm. Keep in mind Sammy Morris and/or Kevin Faulk will likely get a renewed 1-year contract barring retirement.

    The true super-star-potential pick in my mock: Robert Quinn; a true stud and one of the best prospects to ever come out of college football from the pass rushing position. A lock to be a force off the edge, up the middle, and from any of the three conventional playing stances (2-point, 3-point, 4-point).

    The surprise pick in my mock: Quarterback Jake Locker. With his grit and ability to make something happen when something else doesn't go right, Locker figures to make a smart fit with the Patriots. Belichick has said the truly great quarterbacks of today are the ones that are able to create positive plays when things break down. Locker combines sound accuracy throwing the football with mobility and escapability with his legs. Fans would come to approve of this pick by the time he starts to challenge for a starting position at the end of Brady's contract (he could hypothetically be 26 years old by the time Tom decides he's taken enough physical abuse from the game. For perspective, former greats like Steve Young and Roger Staubach didn't take over their team until they reached their early 30's).

    Best return on value immediately in my mock: Mark Herzlich, BC's top linebacker prospect. Sneaky in coverage and sound against the run, Herzlich figures to be a great rookie season fit on special teams and in spot play on defense. Like Quinn, (who's stock has fallen after being prohibited from playing this college football season), Locker, (who some pegged as a first overall QB pick as recent as last offseason until failing to live up to those expectations in his senior year), Mark Herzlich was considered to be a first round pick in 2008 after having a terrific sophomore season. In 2009 Mark was fighting cancer and ultimately overcame the disease, returning to play for 2010 and showing gradual improvement his entire senior season.

    In the 2010 NFL Draft, the Pats made out similarly with Day 2 high profile players in Brandon Spikes, Rob Gronkowski, and Aaron Hernandez, all players dubbed as first round picks at some point until seeing their draft stock slip at various points. The three of those guys, as you know, turned into two second round picks and a steal in the fourth round.
     
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    The fan get-up vote in my mock: DeAngelo Williams; any fan that somewhat follows the NFL will know what an asset DeAngelo can be and the type of talents he'd be able to blend with the styles of Danny Woodhead and LawFirm. Keep in mind Sammy Morris and/or Kevin Faulk will likely get a renewed 1-year contract barring retirement.
    Posted by Brendon-Patrick


    Williams will be a free agent, no need to trade for him. Completely agree though, he would be perfect for this offense.
     
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    This is my mock draft for the Patriots first two days: Oakland first round pick (10-20 range): Robert Quinn Patriots first round pick (28-32): Traded for DeAngelo Williams Carolina's second round pick (33-36 range): Jake Locker Patriots second round pick (60-64 range): Stefen Wisniewski Vikings third round pick (70-76 range): Mark Herzlich AJ Green I think goes before we even pick, not that we couldn't trade up for any one prospect we really want. I think Mike Brewster, the center from Ohio State, is a real gem and definitely someone any team would love to get on their team. I wouldn't mind seeing him drafted at all. He will likely have the ability to play all five offensive line positions by the time he starts to establish himself as a true professional. The fan get-up vote in my mock: DeAngelo Williams; any fan that somewhat follows the NFL will know what an asset DeAngelo can be and the type of talents he'd be able to blend with the styles of Danny Woodhead and LawFirm. Keep in mind Sammy Morris and/or Kevin Faulk will likely get a renewed 1-year contract barring retirement. The true super-star-potential pick in my mock: Robert Quinn; a true stud and one of the best prospects to ever come out of college football from the pass rushing position. A lock to be a force off the edge, up the middle, and from any of the three conventional playing stances (2-point, 3-point, 4-point). The surprise pick in my mock: Quarterback Jake Locker. With his grit and ability to make something happen when something else doesn't go right, Locker figures to make a smart fit with the Patriots. Belichick has said the truly great quarterbacks of today are the ones that are able to create positive plays when things break down. Locker combines sound accuracy throwing the football with mobility and escapability with his legs. Fans would come to approve of this pick by the time he starts to challenge for a starting position at the end of Brady's contract (he could hypothetically be 26 years old by the time Tom decides he's taken enough physical abuse from the game. For perspective, former greats like Steve Young and Roger Staubach didn't take over their team until they reached their early 30's). Best return on value immediately in my mock: Mark Herzlich, BC's top linebacker prospect. Sneaky in coverage and sound against the run, Herzlich figures to be a great rookie season fit on special teams and in spot play on defense. Like Quinn, (who's stock has fallen after being prohibited from playing this college football season), Locker, (who some pegged as a first overall QB pick as recent as last offseason until failing to live up to those expectations in his senior year), Mark Herzlich was considered to be a first round pick in 2008 after having a terrific sophomore season. In 2009 Mark was fighting cancer and ultimately overcame the disease, returning to play for 2010 and showing gradual improvement his entire senior season. In the 2010 NFL Draft, the Pats made out similarly with Day 2 high profile players in Brandon Spikes, Rob Gronkowski, and Aaron Hernandez, all players dubbed as first round picks at some point until seeing their draft stock slip at various points. The three of those guys, as you know, turned into two second round picks and a steal in the fourth round.
    Posted by Brendon-Patrick


    I would be surprised if BB traded the 1st round pick for Williams. He'll be 27 next season, so about 3 till he hits the dreaded number for rb (30 years old)...however hes only had 841 carries in the pros so that might not be as big an issue...BUT rb are considered one of the easiest positions to transition from college to pros...why trade a first round pick for a player who 
    1. will be looking for a large contract. 
    2. Has missed game time the past 2 seasons.
    3. Again, is 5-6 years older than rb you can draft

    Also, I doubt that BB would draft Locker...Brady has a new 4 year deal, he'd have to sit behind Brady for 4 years before seeing the light of day.  If locker is available at pick 33, I see BB trying to trade the pick to a QB hungry team
     
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    Re: If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

    Except I'd be surprised if Carolina lets him walk. They'll probably hold onto him and try to get any sort of immediate return they can. Unless their organization believes some 2012 compensation will be greater than anything they could get on the trade market, I'm pretty sure they'll hold on and dangle if they aren't able to re-sign him themselves.

    With Carolina, I think DeAngelo would require more money than if he were on a team that he feels has a better chance to win like the Patriots. He probably wants to win and contribute to winning while he's still in his prime years. What's great about DeAngelo and the style player he is, he'll be like Fred Taylor in the sense that he'll always be reliable in giving carries to. Hopefully he doesn't follow the trend of injuries of Fred though. Both have been outstanding runningbacks.
     
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    Re: If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

    You could be right about the trade idea, that really wouldn't surprise me. But rather than exploring that option, I think with the amount of talent on this Patriots roster, Locker offers the best value both longer term and immediately as a reserve/project third string QB with great potential to some day take over for Brady. If not, you develop Locker and maybe he gets some extended time to play down the road, teams clamor to his potential re-realizing what he has to offer after spending time with New England, and if New England at that time feels the right move would be to re-up Brady and trade Locker for a first or what have you, then maybe that's what will end up happening.

    Don't say never to the idea of a quarterback like Locker though, especially considering his fit with the Patriots and the sort of profile he matches as far as being a rare breed of quarterback. Tim Tebow was a favorite "dark horse" pick to the Pats this past offseason, and Tebow is really just a lesser left-handed version of Locker with a different mindset. Locker is superior and ideal in my mind. Tebow by comparison was a trendy consideration that was probably never more realistic than being taken after the third round; he went in the first to Denver. Tebow was the high-spirited, Florida connection, offbeat type of pick that many mock drafters clung to at points and projected going the Patriots. Jake Locker, as I said, is a superior prospect who fits in much more ideally than I think Tebow ever could.

    As far as DeAngelo Williams goes, I think he runs in a committee but as one of the focal compliments to the offense. I'm pretty sure with his God-given talent, DeAngelo Williams will be managed properly by the best team managers in the league in the Patriots staff. They defintely are experts in their field and I have confidence in making the push for a player like DeAngelo. Beside, don't find yourself falling into the trap of early round picks. Yes, they're valuable, but don't lose touch with how valuable they are in relation to the particular state a franchise may be in. A first round pick is more of gamble to project than an already established NFL player who happens to be on the market. If the team chose to pursue DeAngelo, I'd agree with it being a smarter investment than the late first round draft pick. Thats just my opinion though.
     
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    Re: If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

    You need to go to what the Pats major weakness is.  The offense is chugging along so it's a continued look at the defensive side of the ball.  Pass rush.  Now you have to look at where the pass rush originates.  Is it DE or OLB?  Both will be there with that Oakland pick.

    Yep, Belichick would pass up on Green big time.
     
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    Re: If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

    I think if BB had Akamura and Jenkins available at the same time he would take Jenkins every time.

    He fits the profile. He is quicker than fast. He is fundamentally sound. A willing and effective run supporter. Humble. A leader. He plays with an edge and never takes plays off. 

    He is also a Gator which helps.

    The problem with getting front five help, and to most it seems like a slam dunk that NE goes front five with the Oakland pick, is that there may not be anything that fits what NE does there.

    Unless Nick Fairley is hanging around none of the DT prospects are a good enough fit as a natural 34 end to use a top 15 selection on, and there are a couple intriguing DE/OLB converts there, but no one that makes me think NE will change its approach to drafting OLBs.

    I could see NE trading the Raider pick back unless there is a bargain hanging around. They could easily pick up more selections for next season then too and still get their "guy."
     
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    I think if BB had Akamura and Jenkins available at the same time he would take Jenkins every time. He fits the profile. He is quicker than fast. He is fundamentally sound. A willing and effective run supporter. Humble. A leader. He plays with an edge and never takes plays off.  He is also a Gator which helps. The problem with getting front five help, and to most it seems like a slam dunk that NE goes front five with the Oakland pick, is that there may not be anything that fits what NE does there. Unless Nick Fairley is hanging around none of the DT prospects are a good enough fit as a natural 34 end to use a top 15 selection on, and there are a couple intriguing DE/OLB converts there, but no one that makes me think NE will change its approach to drafting OLBs. I could see NE trading the Raider pick back unless there is a bargain hanging around. They could easily pick up more selections for next season then too and still get their "guy."
    Posted by zbellino


    Sounds like Belichick's M.O., especially if that team projects to do poorly the next season.  Then they'd get a better pick with an even higher likelihood of slotted rookie salaries, which might not be instituted in time for the draft this year.

    I don't see the Patriots paying a top pick top money when they can bankroll the Raiders' pick into next year for an even higher pick AND save money with a new slotted rookie salary system.
     
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    Re: If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

    I would love aj green. and under NO circumstances should we draft another cb. we have already invested a lot of picks in that position. Second Bodden will be back. Third butler and whilhite while not elite can do a decent job. Butler still has a TON of potential.
     
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    Oakland has 6 wins with 3 games left. They win at least against Denver and have a shot again KC. I don't know if it's likely they have a top 8 pick. 
    Posted by Rockdog1293000


    i think oak has a good shot to be Indy at home too
     
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    Re: If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

    BPA

    Its hard to sometimes guess the Pats picks because with different players we think they are almost perfect for this team for example Clay Matthews, Dez Bryant, Dunlap etc.... 

    Its really hard to guess their picks at times until well after their draft is done to see what they were trying to accomplish as Bill is a master secret keeper. 
     
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    Re: If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

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    This is my mock draft for the Patriots first two days: Oakland first round pick (10-20 range): Robert Quinn Patriots first round pick (28-32): Traded for DeAngelo Williams Carolina's second round pick (33-36 range): Jake Locker Patriots second round pick (60-64 range): Stefen Wisniewski Vikings third round pick (70-76 range): Mark Herzlich 

    Posted by Brendon-Patrick

    I like your picks (especially Quinn), but not the trade. First rounder for a RB with mileage and injury issues, no way.

     
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    Re: If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

    NOPE, don't see it...I do see him taking Prince if he's there though..
     
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    Re: If AJ Green is available with the Raider's Pick, would Belichick even draft him?

    If he's a team first guy then Belichick may take a shot with him.
     
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