Re: If the Pats let Welker go and Gronk gets hurt...
posted at 1/23/2013 2:03 PM EST
In response to TFB12's comment:
In response to Low-FB-IQ's comment:
In response to TFB12's comment:
The Patriots will have one of the softest, least talented offense in the league! And it will yet again be another wasted season! How does that strike you?
First I think , and have written it here many times, that they need to at least attempt to keep Wes. I personally think Edleman has more physical ability than Welker. He's as quick, faster, and a much better blocker.
The two major problems are 1) He's not nearly as durable as Wes. 2) He's not in the Brady binkie category.
You forgot Ballard who by the way can at least block AND hopefully they would use him. They had Fells but did not use him. Why? Have no idea. At least he can block for you when the other team is in it's sub defense so you can take advantage of the running game. HooMan and Hernandez can NOT block. They ARE useless in that role.
Before you make any decisions what are the Paatriots going to do as an offense. Gronk Hernandez and Wes all work the same parts of the field as their strongest parts of their games.
I believe it is why they started the year with Gronk and Hernandez at TE and Llyod and Edelman outside. More evenly balanced across the field. They need to decide what direction they want to take first, before any of these questions can be answered.
It's amazing, prior to the season threads were all over this board saying Edelman needs to go and Edelman was on the bubble. Now people are saying he is Welkers replacement! What? Based on what? Edelman can not get the seperation Welker does. Edelman drops more passes then Welker does. Edelman has a very hard time adjusting and catching a deep ball. He just doesn't cause the same type of mismatches Welker causes. He doesn't have even close to the talent Welker has. and the biggie... Defenses don't fear Edelman.
Welker covers the short to mid fields. The TE's cover the mid field and a deep threat would spread the defense with the deep threat. D's can't cover the entire field. So I disagree with your statement that Welker and TE's cover the same part of the field.
I have never ever mentioned this as a talent assesment. I questioned it at one point because the Patriots never seemed to use him going into this season. Which I proclaimed was a mistake. ...but if they were never going to play him and get him the ball then I wondered if they would ever cut him.
The Pats used him in 2009 in the playoff game vs the Ravens when welker went down in the last game. He performed excellently.
Targeted 8 times - 6 receptions for 44 yards and 2 TD's (a rookie converted QB against a younger #3 rated Ravens Defense,and part of a #3 rated Pats offense)
Then the Pats unexplicably fail by hardly getting him involved in the offense by using one of their better explosive weapons with the ball in his hands in the open field for TWO years.
22 targets in TWO whole years. Why? He had already proven himself. Sorry but BB, Brady, the OC or who ever f'd up by not getting him more reps, touches, experience. You find ways to get dynamic athletes the ball in their hands. I always chalked it up to Brady not trusting him to be on the same page as him so he did not get targeted or playing time.
Then magically in 2012 he becomes a starter. What a waste of valuable playing time missed the previous two seasons. AS I mentioned in the previous post, he's not durable. Missing 3 games in 2011 and only playing 9 this year.
In Wes's first 4 years with the Pats he avg. 10.475 yrds per catch
In Edelmans first 4 years with the Pats he avg. 10.425 yrds per catch
This past season Welker played all 16 games and caught 6 TD's
Edleman played 9 games and caught 3 TD's
The biggest disparity is how often they are targeted. That does not equal who's open. That equals who's Tom's binkie. A point I have made many times on here over the years. Tom's favorite receiver is not who's open. Tom's favorite receiver is his presnap read, then his favorite receiver or two, then who's open. As is with all great QB's. TB is no different.
In this recent playoff game Welker was targeted 12 times - 8 receptions for 117 yards and 1 TD (a seasoned veteran WR against and older #17 rated Ravens defense, and part of a #1 rated Pats offense)
Comparing all of that, including those two playoff performances against the Ravens, yes I guess we disagree on Edlemna being a dynamic athlete and capable WR.
I don't have a single favorite player on the Pats so its easy for me to be objective because I have zero emotion invested in a single player. Just the performance of them all and the team as a unit. If a player I think is awesome makes a blunder or two or has a horrible game in general then I will voice my opinion about it.
Most importantly I do not know why you are all worked up since I started the whole thing off saying they need to attempt to keep welker because he's the only durable WR that can also read and adjust to a defense, has Brady's trust, etc on the roster currently.
Lets be real though. Even as I am a Welker fan. Defenses respect Welker but they don't fear him. They account for him. ...but you only typically "fear" big play, quick strike, or red zone threat, ability. I think Gronk would be the only guy a defense would fear other than Brady, generally speaking.
Lastly, I have no idea where you come up with all that stuff about Edelman. We certainly agree to disagree on the gap in ability between he and Welker. They have slightly different strengths but they are close enough with Welker being a better, because of far more experience, receiver, as well as more durable and Edelman getting my personal nod on overall dynamic athletic ability.
I think you are making a common mistake and thinking by me speaking well of Edleman in some way I am disparaging Welker some how. Not the case.