If the two seed is in play, do the Pats go for it????

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    If the two seed is in play, do the Pats go for it????

    If the Pats win next week, they are in the playoffs. They would have to win at Houston to assure themselves of the #3 seed, but it seems that they would probably rest some guys and not worry about the #3 vs. #4.

    BUT, what if San Diego loses to the Titans this week - a very strong possibility given that San Diego has to play on the road, on a short week, on Christmas night. If that happens, and the Pats win, the Pats could take the No. 2 seed by winning at Houston and Washington upsetting San Diego. HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but would the Pats go all out for that two seed?

    It may all be rendered moot on Christmas night, but it is something to think about should all the above scenario play out.

    What would you do if you were BB?
     
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    If it's a possibility in week 17, I think he will go for it.
     
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    BB and the Pats strive to win every game they play.  If they win next Sunday and clinch, I don't think they will lay it down in Houston if the #2 seed in within reach.  The other focus, to be sharp going into the playoffs.  Any let up may derail the train!

     
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    "Hello, you play to win the game."

    Of course he goes for it. The BYE for the wildcard playoff would be gold, plus it changes the matchups to favor the Pats.
     
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    [QUOTE]If it's a possibility in week 16, I think he will go for it.  If they are out of it, they may rest anyone who is playing hurt.
    Posted by shenanigan[/QUOTE]
     
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    if the pats and chargers were to finish with the same record the chargers well get the 2 seed.
     
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    [QUOTE]if the pats and chargers were to finish with the same record the chargers well get the 2 seed.
    Posted by mosseffect43[/QUOTE]

    Based on?

     
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    [QUOTE]"Hello, you play to win the game." Of course he goes for it. The BYE for the wildcard playoff would be gold, plus it changes the matchups to favor the Pats.
    Posted by EnochRoot[/QUOTE]

    There you go...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If the two seed is in play, do the Pats go for it???? : Based on?
    Posted by EnochRoot[/QUOTE]from what ive heard based on divison record and conf. record.they play the titans,and then the redskins.now they lost to the ravens and steelers which actually only gives them 2 conf losses.add a loss by the titans would make three.add only one division loss to our two they have us there also.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/standings
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If the two seed is in play, do the Pats go for it???? : based on divison record and conf. record. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/standings
    Posted by mosseffect43[/QUOTE]

    Division record is not a tie breaker for them. 

    They would both be 8-4 in the conference.

    They would both be 2-3 against common opponents. (Balt, Tenn, Den, Mia)

    You would have to go to Strength of Victory. Right now the Chargers have a huge lead in SoV (The teams they have beaten have 69 wins while the teams the Pats have beaten have 54) because they have 2 more wins. 

    But, with the Pats winning out and the Chargers losing out in this scenario, the Pats get another 14 wins (at least) added to their total making it 69 to 68. Then you can add another 1 because in this scenario, the Titans beat the Chargers. 

    So now they are tied in SoV and you need to add the wins from weeks 16 and 17 of the teams they already beat. So, if the teams we already beat do well and the teams SD has beaten do poorly, we get the #2 seed.

     
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    actually they only loss to the ravens and steelers which would be two losses in the conf.add a titans loss would make three.compared to our four.unless you add there one division game loss as a conf game.the chargers have only lossed 3 games so far.
     
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    This:
     
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    ill go with that.ive heard from others it came down to conf and/or div records.so i was just pointing out that the chargers lead in those areas.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If the two seed is in play, do the Pats go for it???? : Gee you think so Dooshbag
    Posted by patriots44[/QUOTE]
    You seem sensitive.  If you don't like the question take it up with the guy that made the thread. 
     
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    We still play the last game with our starters. The only time we didn't play the season out, no matter the standings, was in 2005 when we gave Flutie a start in his last game as a pro. 
     
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    The Pats prefer Home field and have a much better shot with the 2 seed at getting more games at home in the Playoffs. If Indy were to get knocked out early we would have home field advantage throughout which is key. Assuming we get better than we are right now anyway.
     
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    [QUOTE]actually they only loss to the ravens and steelers which would be two losses in the conf.add a titans loss would make three.compared to our four.unless you add there one division game loss as a conf game.the chargers have only lossed 3 games so far.
    Posted by mosseffect43[/QUOTE]

    Yes, it is considered a conference game.

    SD is 8-3 in the conference with one conference game left. The Pats are 6-4 with 2 conference games left. In this scenario, they both end up tied at 8-4.

    Every team plays 12 conference games.

     
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    In Response to Re: If the two seed is in play, do the Pats go for it????:
    [QUOTE]This: http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2009/12/the_playoff_pic_1.html
    Posted by NickC1188[/QUOTE]

    Kilgore has made a pretty easy mistake in thinking the Pats would be 3-2 against common opponents. As of right now, they are 2-3 against the common opponents with losses to the Jets, the Dolphins and the Broncos.

    The Chargers are 2-2 with one game left against the Titans.

     
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    [QUOTE]if the pats and chargers were to finish with the same record the chargers well get the 2 seed.
    Posted by mosseffect43[/QUOTE]

    No, we won't.  If we tie, then the Chargers get it.  We will have the same conference record.  They win the tie breaker.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If the two seed is in play, do the Pats go for it???? : No, we won't.  If we tie, then the Chargers get it.  We will have the same conference record.  They win the tie breaker.
    Posted by sheldong[/QUOTE]

    1. You are agreeing with what the previous poster said.

    2. You are both wrong because the tie breaker goes to strength of victory which is undetermined at this point.

     
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    Re: If the two seed is in play, do the Pats go for it????

    In Response to Re: If the two seed is in play, do the Pats go for it????:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If the two seed is in play, do the Pats go for it???? : Kilgore has made a pretty easy mistake in thinking the Pats would be 3-2 against common opponents. As of right now, they are 2-3 against the common opponents with losses to the Jets, the Dolphins and the Broncos. The Chargers are 2-2 with one game left against the Titans.
    Posted by EnochRoot[/QUOTE]

    The Chargers didn't play the Jets.

    Are you talking about the Bengals?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If the two seed is in play, do the Pats go for it???? : The Chargers didn't play the Jets. Are you talking about the Bengals?
    Posted by NickC1188[/QUOTE]

    You are right. I am wrong.

    I was looking at my spreadsheet which has Pats common opponents for SD and Cinci on it. 

    Kilgore is right. If the Pats win out and SD loses out, then the Pats beat them by common opponents.



     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If the two seed is in play, do the Pats go for it???? : You are right. I am wrong. I was looking at my spreadsheet which has Pats common opponents for SD and Cinci on it.  Kilgore is right. If the Pats win out and SD loses out, then the Pats beat them by common opponents.
    Posted by EnochRoot[/QUOTE]

    No worries - it'll probably be all different by next week lol

    Pats just need to win.  If you win, everything else takes care of itself.
     
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    [QUOTE]BB and the Pats strive to win every game they play.  If they win next Sunday and clinch, I don't think they will lay it down in Houston if the #2 seed in within reach.  The other focus, to be sharp going into the playoffs.  Any let up may derail the train!
    Posted by agcsbill[/QUOTE]

    So then you would play Brady, Wilfork and Warren even if they are bang'd (Boston.com won't let me say the actual word? Seriously???) up and could use a week off to get healthy for the playoffs? The Pats don't always play "to win." Remember 2005? Sure, they probably wanted to win, but they played their backups for most of the game, lost to Miami, and then avoided Pittsburgh in the first round and got some guys some rest.

    Obviously if the 2 seed is a strong possibility, they go for it. But unless they are flexed to the NBC game, the Pats will be playing before the Chargers. If they go all out and play everyone, allowing no one time off to recuperate for the playoffs, and then San Diego wins, the Pats have blown their "bye week" and Brady's ribs, finger, shoulder are still hurting for the playoffs.

    Best case is that the game is flexed. For that to happen, Houston has to win this week. (Unless the flex schedule is already decided).
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If the two seed is in play, do the Pats go for it???? : So then you would play Brady, Wilfork and Warren even if they are bang'd (Boston.com won't let me say the actual word? Seriously???) up and could use a week off to get healthy for the playoffs? The Pats don't always play "to win." Remember 2005? Sure, they probably wanted to win, but they played their backups for most of the game, lost to Miami, and then avoided Pittsburgh in the first round and got some guys some rest. Obviously if the 2 seed is a strong possibility, they go for it. But unless they are flexed to the NBC game, the Pats will be playing before the Chargers. If they go all out and play everyone, allowing no one time off to recuperate for the playoffs, and then San Diego wins, the Pats have blown their "bye week" and Brady's ribs, finger, shoulder are still hurting for the playoffs. Best case is that the game is flexed. For that to happen, Houston has to win this week. (Unless the flex schedule is already decided).
    Posted by Caesar1177[/QUOTE]

    They get to flex the Week 17 game 6 days before the game as opposed to the usual 12 days before the game during other weeks so we might not know until next week. Also, no games can be protected by CBS or Fox during Week 17 so any one of them can be picked. 

    Looking at the list of games, Philly/Dallas might be a big draw especially if they are playing for the division. But they might not be able to flex Dallas into a National game because I think there is a limit of 5 National games per season and Dallas will have had 5 if you count NFL Network games.

    There is also Pittsburgh/Miami and Cincinnati/Jets both of which could have playoff implications for either team, but hopefully both Miami and NJJ will be out of it by then.

    Then there is Pats/Houston. Not the biggest draw but if the Pats can get the #2 slot and Houston is fighting for a WC, it would be an interesting game. Of course, the only problem is that no one will know if the Pats are playing for a bye until the Redskins/Chargers game is over, and the #2 spot could be resolved this week anyway.

     

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