If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason.....

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    In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : Well I just showed the stats of the D-lineman available with our second 1st rd pick last year and they are not exactly tearing it up. Muhammad and Corey Liuget have 3-4 DE size but are not doing much. Warren and Love have outplyaed them. Same w/ Jordan and Heyward who are 285lb 4-3 DE's. Anderson and Carter have far outplayed them. Who would you have picked? I would have traded both picks up for Watt. Would you have passed on Solder for Clayborn or Phil Taylor? Then what picked Gabe Carimi or Sherrod later in rd 1 to take over for Light one day? Taylor is a monster but would he and Vince be too big to pair together? Clayborn is a solid DE, the type I'd think we cna get this year in Still, worthy or Winn. Guys who could be better than Muhammad and Liuget.
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    28 and 33 (and maybe a late rounder) to Houston would have landed either Watt and Solder or Kerrigan and Solder a bit later. That would have looked a lot better than Glass I Dowling and a pick next year that we all know will never be used.
     
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    I would do what ever it takes to sign Mario Williams!  Then, have a great draft and fill in the blanks in free agency. 

    Mario Williams can play both 3/4 or 4/3 and would instantly make our DB's better.  Imagine Carter and mario Williams as out bookends! 
     
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    Yeah, I don't think Mario Williams is going anywhere. He's important to that defense. However, they have been playing pretty well without him. There is this kid named Connor Barwin that racked up like 4 sacks yesterday...have you heard of him?....LOL
     
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    Yeah, I don't think Mario Williams is going anywhere. He's important to that defense. However, they have been playing pretty well without him. There is this kid named Connor Barwin that racked up like 4 sacks yesterday...have you heard of him?....LOL
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    yeah i've heard of him, i had him in all of my mocks when he was drafted.
     
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    Lorenzo booker RB, Minn UFA

    Mario Williams DE, Texans UFA

    Cortland Finnegan CB

    Gary Guyton, LB, NE

    Wes Welker WR, NE

     

     

    1st round pick (new orleans)

    Vinny Curry, DE/OLB, Marshall
    Height: 6-5. Weight: 263.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.66.
    Projected Round (2012): 1-2.

    11/11/11: Thus far in 2011, Curry has 53 tackles with 18 tackles for a loss, 10.5 sacks, two blocked kicks and six forced fumbles. He had a three sack game against Southern Mississippi. Curry has added weight from the 2010 season, roughly 10 pounds, and he still looks fast and explosive. Curry has had to battle consistent extra blocking this season. Right now, his consistency from 2010 to 2011 has him moving into the first round. He looks like an ideal fit as a 3-4 outside linebacker.

    8/21/11: Vinny Curry is an explosive athlete who had a dominant junior season. He was one of the best pass rushers in college football last year with 12 sacks. Curry also had 18 tackles for a loss and 94 tackles. At his size and weight, he should translate well as an edge rusher in a 3-4 defense. Curry is very fast with fabulous closing speed. He plays better in space. However, Curry does not have the size and strength to hold up against offensive linemen when lining up with his hand in the ground as a base end. Some teams were able to run right at him. He typically uses his speed to run around offensive linemen, and that opens up his gap on run downs. Thus, Curry would be a much better fit for a 3-4 defense.

     

    1st round pick (ours)

    Dont'a Hightower*, ILB, Alabama
    Height: 6-4. Weight: 260.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.85.
    Projected Round (2011): 1-2

    11/18/11: Hightower is having a fine season for Alabama. He has been a tough, in-the-box defender and has increased his splash plays. Hightower has shown the ability to be a dangerous blitzer as well. He has 66 tackles with 8.5 tackles for a loss, three sacks, one interception and three passes batted away in nine games this season. Hightower played well against LSU and has had big games against other SEC opponents.

    8/25/11: Dont'a Hightower is a physical, in-the-box defender. He takes on and beats offensive linemen regularly without difficulty. The intelligent Hightower is the signal caller for the Crimson Tide defense, a complex collegiate scheme. A season-ending knee injury cost Hightower the majority of the 2009 season. He came back last year to record 69 tackles with 3.5 tackles for a loss. Hightower should be more productive in 2011 as he gets further away from the injury. He has looked slow at times, especially early in the year, and did not look as fluid as he did before the injury. Hightower looks like he would have to be a 3-4 inside linebacker in the NFL. He does not have the range to be a 4-3 middle linebacker that can get to runs on the perimeter.

     

    2nd round pick (traded for hoyer)

    Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State
    Height: 6-5. Weight: 293.
    Projected 40 Time: 5.08.
    Projected Round (2012): 1-2

    9/10/11: Brewster had a strong start to the season as Ohio State rolled Akron. The Buckeyes ran for 224 yards and won 42-0. Brewster will see a strong test from Marcus Forston and Miami in the third game of the season.

    8/20/11: Mike Brewster enters his senior year as the top center in the nation. He started as a freshman and has been a standout for the Buckeyes ever since. Brewster will be challenged with the turmoil at Ohio State. He will have to quickly get in tune with a new quarterback to take his snaps, and offensive tackle Mike Adams will be suspended for the first five games. Thus, some new challenges are in store for Brewster, but nothing that should hurt his draft stock. Brewster is an excellent run blocker and pass protector. He looks like the next center that is likely to crack the top 25.

     

     

    2nd round pick (oakland)

    Traded for a 1st next season and a 5th this season

     

    2nd round pick

    Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
    Height: 5-10. Weight: 188.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.45.
    Projected Round (2011): 2-3.

    9/27/11: Jenkins has returned nine punts for 163 yards (18.1 average) with a touchdown return and a long return of 87 yards. He does not have an interception, but has returned a fumble 49 yards for a touchdown. Jenkins has 27 tackles with three passes broken up. His draft stock is dependent on him staying out of legal trouble and interviewing well with teams in the months prior to the draft.

    8/25/11: Janoris Jenkins does not have great size, but he has a top-15 skill set as a cover corner. The only reason why he's ranked here is because of a few arrests for smoking pot that got him kicked out of Florida. If Jenkins had stayed out of trouble, he easily would have been a high first-round pick. He was a starter as a true freshman in 2008 when the Gators won the National Championship. Jenkins recorded three interceptions in 2010 to go along with 44 tackles and eight passes defensed. He is fast with great feet and athleticism. Jenkins can flip his hips and run with speed receivers. Even though under six-foot, he had success going against the best big receivers he saw in the SEC.

    Jenkins held South Carolina's Alshon Jeffrey to six receptions for 53 yards and no scores last season, after Jeffrey notched six catches for 57 yards in their first battle. Georgia's A.J. Green had four catches for 42 yards and a score in last year's game. In three years of playing Jenkins, Green never had a 100-yard game.

     

    3rd round pick

    (trade back into later in the round and pick up a 7th round pick)

    Kenny Tate, SS/LB, Maryland
    Height: 6-4. Weight: 220.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.64.
    Projected Round (2012): 3-4.

    10/1/11: Tate started out the season well with 11 tackles and an interception against Miami. He has totaled 26 tackles with a forced fumble, interception, and tackle for a loss this season. It could be a tough decision whether to have Tate gain weight and stay at linebacker, or drop weight to go back to safety.

    8/26/11: Kenny Tate would probably be best used as a safety at the NFL level, even though he is going to play linebacker for Maryland this season. Last year, he had 100 tackles with 8.5 tackles for a loss, three interceptions and four forced fumbles. Tate is a safety/linebacker tweener who should probably trim down and play safety as a pro. Bigger safeties are no longer prominent in the NFL.

     

    Gives BB his safety LB hybrid

     

    4th round pick (ours)

    Jake Bequette, DE, Arkansas
    Height: 6-5. Weight: 271.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.80.
    Projected Round (2012): 3-4.

    9/23/11: Bequette started the season with three tackles and got two .5 sacks against Missouri State. He injured his hamstring and missed the third game against Troy. Bequette's return is unknown.

    8/21/11: In 2010, Jake Bequette had seven sacks with 32 tackles and 8.5 tackles for a loss. Bequette enters his senior year with 13.5 sacks over 32 starts. He has already finished his bachelor's degree and is getting a master's. Bequette's intelligence and character will appeal to teams during the interview process. If Bequette adds weight, he could be a five technique in a 3-4, otherwise he looks like a left end in a 4-3 defense.

     

    5th round (from trade)

    Jake Stoneburner, TE, Ohio State
    Height: 6-5. Weight: 245.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
    Projected Round (2012): 5-6.

    11/4/11: Stoneburner has 12 receptions for 150 yards and six touchdowns thus far in 2011. He had three touchdowns in the first game against Akron. Stoneburner could be even more productive if Ohio State had consistency at quarterback.

    8/19/11: Jake Stoneburner caught 21 passes for 222 yards and two touchdowns last season. The junior is a good inline blocker and also can contribute as a receiver. Given the turmoil around Ohio State, it is difficult to project how Stoneburner's production is going to be affected in 2011.

     

     

    7th round pick (from trade down)

    Derek Moye, WR, Penn State
    Height: 6-5. Weight: 198.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.53.
    Projected Round (2012): 6-FA.

    9/14/11: Moye was fairly quiet against Alabama and their NFL-laden secondary. He caught three passes for 51 yards. For the season, he has seven receptions for 108 yards.

    8/19/11: Derek Moye is huge receiver who has led Penn State in receiving the past two years. Last year, he caught 53 balls for 885 yards and eight scores. A year earlier, he had 48 receptions for 785 yards and six touchdowns. Moye finished the year with a quality game against Florida, but Moye has only three 100 yard games over the past two seasons.

     
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    Posted by natesubs[/QUOTE]

    hey nate,
     i dont see hightower, curry or jenkins available at those picks. (cant argue with those selections!)

    oh and i dont want guyton
     
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    Posted by natesubs[/QUOTE]

    In the draft it's simple for me...
    DE Vin Curry ...........round 1
    trade down for a 2nd this year and a 1st next year ....round one
    C mike brewster.......round 2
    TE Cob Fleener opposite Gronk...round 2
    Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama .... round 2

    sign laron Landry, manny lawson, royal in FA
    resign carter, anderson, welker, guyton

    add another gronkesque TE and move hernandez to WR and beef up the lines with studs like curry and brewster.


    think we can do with a lower round center
    fa fs, wr and lawson/roth
    no guyton for me.
    will take a blocking/receiving te for sure

     
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    In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : Yeah I'd think one of Brewster and Konz will be there with our Raiders pick in round 2. Ben Jones will probably be there and may even last till the early 3rd round. He is my favorite of the C's. Mean streak, not too tall, fast and mobile in the run game but still a 315lb force in pass-protection. If we address other needs in rd 2 and he is lingering in that 70-80 range, I'd trade a future 2nd rd pick and our 4th rd pick for him in a heartbeat. William Vlachos will be in that same range but is a little too small for my liking. In the 3rd rd we should be able to get Ben Habern, his broken arm should make him fall a bit but as many people here noted the offense in Oklahoma really struggled w/o him. He's a little small as well.
    Posted by rameakap


    thanks rame. there seems a lot of consensus around jones
     
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    same for me in regards to Guyton.

    He has played well for a undrafted guy, but at this point, I wouldnt sign him going forward.

    Need more talent there.

    No to Mario Williams too.

    I like him and he is a playmaker, but I wouldnt want to break the bank on one guy and If I did, it wouldnt be him. I think they should stay away from paying a big name linebacker right now. Too many other needs to adress, and with Mario, you aint signing many other players w/him.

    Wait till a couple years and make a run at Orakpo, but for now, shore up the WR position for the next few years for Brady to be comfortable with. Get a veteran Safety for this house of horrors secondary we have now.

     sign a 3rd tier Cb in free agency..

    DE/DT , C, CB, OLB in the draft..

     
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    In the draft it's simple for me... DE Vin Curry ...........round 1 trade down for a 2nd this year and a 1st next year ....round one C mike brewster.......round 2 TE Cob Fleener opposite Gronk...round 2 Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama .... round 2 sign laron Landry, manny lawson, royal in FA resign carter, anderson, welker, guyton add another gronkesque TE and move hernandez to WR and beef up the lines with studs like curry and brewster. think we can do with a lower round center fa fs, wr and lawson/roth no guyton for me. will take a blocking/receiving te for sure
    Posted by brdbreu


    Pretty much with you on this...
    I definitely want Curry and Fleener, and Brewster would be nice as well.

    I don't want to see any more young CB's drafted. We just have the cupboards full at this point with youth. we need experience there. Between McCourty, Arrington, Ras, Molden, Moore, etc., that is tons of youth. Need to offset it with experience.

    Nate indicated drafting Hightower. Overall, I like him, but I think he is redundant if we stay running more 4-3. He basically is Spikes in the middle. He has more value in a 3-4, where he and Mayo or Spikes could roam the middle. Spikes is too slow to kick outside in either scheme. So, for me, I'm looking for more of a 4-3 SOLB. I don't like what I see beyond round 1, and most of the kids I like in round 1 should be gone by the time we draft. Therefore, I would look to FA for this position.

    I don't buy Curry as strictly a 3-4 OLB. I think he has tons of value in either scheme, especially if you put him next to a good DT. He and Carter as bookends, with Anderson/Deaderick as depth is what I want.

    I'm still not comfortable with our DL. Love is okay, but in my mind, not a starter. Pryor possibly a starter, but often hurt. Ellis I don't see back, same with Warren. Brace a big ?, and Deaderick, not sure where he fits exactly. I think I like him as either a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DE. He is depth with Anderson for Curry and Carter.

    Don't want Guyton back. I would like to see us slightly overhaul the LB corps. I'm okay with signing Landry. I like a Vet here, but also want us ot draft a safety for development. Sh!tcan sergio brown, ventrone. Going into next year, I would like at safety - Chung, Landry/other FA, Lester, Ihedigbo (good depth/ST value). Sterling Moore battles it out with Molden/Adams for CB spot. I like Moore better because he is a bit more versatile than Molden. Adams gets the boot.
 
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    Eddie Royal is the only WR I see hitting the market that I like (although I'm secretly rooting for DeSean Jackson) - Vincent Jackson, Stevie Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, and Mike Wallace aren't going anywhere, and I don't think Marques Colston brings anything new to the Patriots, and I think the Saints keep him anyways so the point is moot.  My sleepers would be Donnie Avery, who looked really good before he blew out his ACL a couple years ago (torched the Pats back then) and Jerome Simpson.

    For pass rushers, I still like Matt Roth's versatility.  I also like Manny Lawson, although he's more of a 3-4 OLB who might be able to play DE and pass rush and cover fairly well as I remember.  Chris Avril would be if they don't retain Carter and Anderson, or if they want to upgrade Anderson.  Carter stays.

    I'm also guessing that Calais Campbell is too expensive and that Mario Wiliams gets franchised.  I'm also guessing that Robert Mathis stays in Indianapolis.

    For linebackers, I love D'Qwell Jackson.  Unsung hero in Cleveland.  Was a tackle machine before getting hurt.  I don't know what he'll cost or if he brings anything new to the table, though.  Same goes for Ernie Sims.

    At safety, I like Abram Elam because Cleveland ran a similar system to the Patriots' under Rob Ryan, and Elam played under Mangini for the Jets.  Reggie Nelson was a talent, if not a disappointment.  Could be a project.  Has physical skills.
     
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    good post Nick.

    I agree with a lot.

    I also like De'qwell and Elam


    I like Mike Adams too
     
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    same for me in regards to Guyton. He has played well for a undrafted guy, but at this point, I wouldnt sign him going forward. Need more talent there. No to Mario Williams too. I like him and he is a playmaker, but I wouldnt want to break the bank on one guy and If I did, it wouldnt be him. I think they should stay away from paying a big name linebacker right now. Too many other needs to adress, and with Mario, you aint signing many other players w/him. Wait till a couple years and make a run at Orakpo, but for now, shore up the WR position for the next few years for Brady to be comfortable with. Get a veteran Safety for this house of horrors secondary we have now.  sign a 3rd tier Cb in free agency.. DE/DT , C, CB, OLB in the draft..
    Posted by JayShizzle45


    rame,
       i try for a cb in fa if we want one. olb fa roth, lawson.
    fill evrything we can in fa. leave our hands free in the draft. no trading out.
     
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    In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : In the draft it's simple for me... DE Vin Curry ...........round 1 trade down for a 2nd this year and a 1st next year ....round one C mike brewster.......round 2 TE Cob Fleener opposite Gronk...round 2 Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama .... round 2 sign laron Landry, manny lawson, royal in FA resign carter, anderson, welker, guyton add another gronkesque TE and move hernandez to WR and beef up the lines with studs like curry and brewster. think we can do with a lower round center fa fs, wr and lawson/roth no guyton for me. will take a blocking/receiving te for sure Posted by brdbreu
    Pretty much with you on this... I definitely want Curry and Fleener, and Brewster would be nice as well. I don't want to see any more young CB's drafted. We just have the cupboards full at this point with youth. we need experience there. Between McCourty, Arrington, Ras, Molden, Moore, etc., that is tons of youth. Need to offset it with experience. Nate indicated drafting Hightower. Overall, I like him, but I think he is redundant if we stay running more 4-3. He basically is Spikes in the middle. He has more value in a 3-4, where he and Mayo or Spikes could roam the middle. Spikes is too slow to kick outside in either scheme. So, for me, I'm looking for more of a 4-3 SOLB. I don't like what I see beyond round 1, and most of the kids I like in round 1 should be gone by the time we draft. Therefore, I would look to FA for this position. I don't buy Curry as strictly a 3-4 OLB. I think he has tons of value in either scheme, especially if you put him next to a good DT. He and Carter as bookends, with Anderson/Deaderick as depth is what I want. I'm still not comfortable with our DL. Love is okay, but in my mind, not a starter. Pryor possibly a starter, but often hurt. Ellis I don't see back, same with Warren. Brace a big ?, and Deaderick, not sure where he fits exactly. I think I like him as either a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DE. He is depth with Anderson for Curry and Carter. Don't want Guyton back. I would like to see us slightly overhaul the LB corps. I'm okay with signing Landry. I like a Vet here, but also want us ot draft a safety for development. Sh!tcan sergio brown, ventrone. Going into next year, I would like at safety - Chung, Landry/other FA, Lester, Ihedigbo (good depth/ST value). Sterling Moore battles it out with Molden/Adams for CB spot. I like Moore better because he is a bit more versatile than Molden. Adams gets the boot.
    Posted by PatsLifer



    excellent post. adams got boot immediately.
    you dont like upshaw?
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    In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : Simpson and Roth would be good with a solid safety started added in as a minimum free agent haul. Keep our own guys and then use all our picks.
    Posted by rameakap


    trade a QB for a 2nd rounder.  two first rounders and three second rounders.  either ammo to get the best OLB, WR, CB, or Safety in the draft or a ton of great chances to find top talent for decent rookie contract prices (increased chances of landing a Taleb Black Swan rare impact player)
     
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    In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : Pretty much with you on this... I definitely want Curry and Fleener, and Brewster would be nice as well. I don't want to see any more young CB's drafted. We just have the cupboards full at this point with youth. we need experience there. Between McCourty, Arrington, Ras, Molden, Moore, etc., that is tons of youth. Need to offset it with experience. Nate indicated drafting Hightower. Overall, I like him, but I think he is redundant if we stay running more 4-3. He basically is Spikes in the middle. He has more value in a 3-4, where he and Mayo or Spikes could roam the middle. Spikes is too slow to kick outside in either scheme. So, for me, I'm looking for more of a 4-3 SOLB. I don't like what I see beyond round 1, and most of the kids I like in round 1 should be gone by the time we draft. Therefore, I would look to FA for this position. I don't buy Curry as strictly a 3-4 OLB. I think he has tons of value in either scheme, especially if you put him next to a good DT. He and Carter as bookends, with Anderson/Deaderick as depth is what I want. I'm still not comfortable with our DL. Love is okay, but in my mind, not a starter. Pryor possibly a starter, but often hurt. Ellis I don't see back, same with Warren. Brace a big ?, and Deaderick, not sure where he fits exactly. I think I like him as either a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DE. He is depth with Anderson for Curry and Carter. Don't want Guyton back. I would like to see us slightly overhaul the LB corps. I'm okay with signing Landry. I like a Vet here, but also want us ot draft a safety for development. Sh!tcan sergio brown, ventrone. Going into next year, I would like at safety - Chung, Landry/other FA, Lester, Ihedigbo (good depth/ST value). Sterling Moore battles it out with Molden/Adams for CB spot. I like Moore better because he is a bit more versatile than Molden. Adams gets the boot. Posted by PatsLifer
    excellent post. adams got boot immediately. you dont like upshaw?
    Posted by brdbreu


    No, I do like Upshaw. But only if we run more 3-4. He just seems redundant in the 4-3 with Spikes playing MLB. I see those 2 as similar pieces..not same. Upshaw is bigger and faster, but a thumper like Spikes.

    I'm as curious as anyone in terms of what scheme BB will run more often next year. I think we are seeing clear benefits from a 4+ man line, and at this piont in time, I think our personnel are better suited to play 4-3. If we swtich to a 3-4 more often, Carter basically becomes a non factor. He's not playing 3-4 OLB. He's a pure 4-3 DE. I see him next to Vince as our best DL. Ideally, you want to put both of them out there at the same time.

    I'd like to see a speedier LB or 2 added to the mix. I'd also like to see them upgrade this position significantly. I don't think White, Guyton, Tarpinian are the answers. Fletcher and Spikes I have questions on. Mayo seems the only consistent piece, perhaps Nink as well.

    None of our DL are good 3-4 DEs. I think we are actually further away from putting together a good 3-4 front 7 vs. 4-3 front 7.
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    In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : trade a QB for a 2nd rounder.  two first rounders and three second rounders.  either ammo to get the best OLB, WR, CB, or Safety in the draft or a ton of great chances to find top talent for decent rookie contract prices (increased chances of landing a Taleb Black Swan rare impact player)
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    Which one?

    I don't think Hoyer has been showcased enough to warrant a 2nd rounder like Cassel was. The Pats maximixed the Cassel opportunity, and acted at the right time to capitalize. His value probably was at its highest when they traded him. 

    I also think Mallett has promise, but not proven, and doesn't warrant a 2nd rounder as well.

    If we want to get a 2nd for either one, we better start letting them play a bit more.
     
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    My thoughts on the WR:

    RWayne: Hes getting old, unless he takes a really team friendly deal we dont need him, he doesnt do anything we dont already get from our current offense, we need to get younger at WR not older.

    VJack: has had some injuries, and expects Top dollar contracts with lately Average play. if he takes a team friendly deal he would help us, but he might bring more headaches then we want

    Dwayne bowe: wont be leaving the chiefs hes part of their core of the offense.

    DJax: diva reciever, stupid penalties, constant headache for the eagles. Not a patriots player

    Colston: best option out of the bunch I'd take him

    Stevie johnson: Got too much too fast and let it go to his head, Last year i would have said yes, but as this year has gone on hes become a diva, stupid penalties and dropped TD's. Hes costed the bills a couple of games now.

    SSmith(eagles) cant get on the field, Wasted cap money no thanks.

    BLloyd: again doesnt do anything we dont already get from a player currently on the roster, no thanks

    Manningham: the Giants best reciever isnt going anywhere

    Mike Wallace: the speed to be a deep threat, Id take him

    Everyone else you listed are average at best, Keep branch because of his chemistry and knowledge of the Offense, but really Tedd ginn? garbage Eddie Royal? garbage. 
     
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    My thoughts on the WR: RWayne: Hes getting old, unless he takes a really team friendly deal we dont need him, he doesnt do anything we dont already get from our current offense, we need to get younger at WR not older. VJack: has had some injuries, and expects Top dollar contracts with lately Average play. if he takes a team friendly deal he would help us, but he might bring more headaches then we want Dwayne bowe: wont be leaving the chiefs hes part of their core of the offense. DJax: diva reciever, stupid penalties, constant headache for the eagles. Not a patriots player Colston: best option out of the bunch I'd take him Stevie johnson: Got too much too fast and let it go to his head, Last year i would have said yes, but as this year has gone on hes become a diva, stupid penalties and dropped TD's. Hes costed the bills a couple of games now. SSmith(eagles) cant get on the field, Wasted cap money no thanks. BLloyd: again doesnt do anything we dont already get from a player currently on the roster, no thanks Manningham: the Giants best reciever isnt going anywhere Mike Wallace: the speed to be a deep threat, Id take him Everyone else you listed are average at best, Keep branch because of his chemistry and knowledge of the Offense, but really Tedd ginn? garbage Eddie Royal? garbage. 
    Posted by ChasaB


    I'm with you on Colston. I've been a fan of his for some time, and think he adds a dimension to the Pats offense that we don't have. 6'4", 225lb WRs are valuable. And, he's in his prime at 28. Has played with a great QB in Brees, and is a dimension (size, speed, strength) that we don't have.

    If we don't go the WR FA route, but instead look to the draft, a kid I like that reminds me a bit of Colston is Jeff Fuller from A&M. 6'4", 215lb, physical, fast, good hands, good route runner. He can be had late 2nd/3rd round I think.
     
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    In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : Which one? I don't think Hoyer has been showcased enough to warrant a 2nd rounder like Cassel was. The Pats maximixed the Cassel opportunity, and acted at the right time to capitalize. His value probably was at its highest when they traded him.  I also think Mallett has promise, but not proven, and doesn't warrant a 2nd rounder as well. If we want to get a 2nd for either one, we better start letting them play a bit more.
    Posted by PatsLifer



    this is exactly what i am suggesting. ie playing hoyer against colts.
     
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    In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : I'm with you on Colston. I've been a fan of his for some time, and think he adds a dimension to the Pats offense that we don't have. 6'4", 225lb WRs are valuable. And, he's in his prime at 28. Has played with a great QB in Brees, and is a dimension (size, speed, strength) that we don't have. If we don't go the WR FA route, but instead look to the draft, a kid I like that reminds me a bit of Colston is Jeff Fuller from A&M. 6'4", 215lb, physical, fast, good hands, good route runner. He can be had late 2nd/3rd round I think.
    Posted by PatsLifer


    i see a lot of the fuller to the pats. we do need a receiver like him. my plan would be to attempt to fill our needs via fa. then be free to get the gamechangers that can best play here, including trading up.
     
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    My thoughts on the WR: RWayne: Hes getting old, unless he takes a really team friendly deal we dont need him, he doesnt do anything we dont already get from our current offense, we need to get younger at WR not older. VJack: has had some injuries, and expects Top dollar contracts with lately Average play. if he takes a team friendly deal he would help us, but he might bring more headaches then we want Dwayne bowe: wont be leaving the chiefs hes part of their core of the offense. DJax: diva reciever, stupid penalties, constant headache for the eagles. Not a patriots player Colston: best option out of the bunch I'd take him Stevie johnson: Got too much too fast and let it go to his head, Last year i would have said yes, but as this year has gone on hes become a diva, stupid penalties and dropped TD's. Hes costed the bills a couple of games now. SSmith(eagles) cant get on the field, Wasted cap money no thanks. BLloyd: again doesnt do anything we dont already get from a player currently on the roster, no thanks Manningham: the Giants best reciever isnt going anywhere Mike Wallace: the speed to be a deep threat, Id take him Everyone else you listed are average at best, Keep branch because of his chemistry and knowledge of the Offense, but really Tedd ginn? garbage Eddie Royal? garbage. 
    Posted by ChasaB



    I have to disagree about Wayne. What WR we have can consistently beat man press?  Get open deep without having to improvise(branch) please dont say Wes is a deep threat because he snuck out a few times this year playing outside. Teams will expect it next year.

    I am not in love w/B.LLoyd, but you really think we have him here already? Ocho maybe can do the same things but he cant learn the offense, atleast LLoyds is smart.

    The one guy you did endorse in Colston seems like a canditate to be a bust here..(name me a big guy outside of Moss that worked here)

    As for Wallce, he DEF. aint going anywhere so not sure why you mentioned him.

    and as far as Manningham, he is not the best WR, it is Nicks and is slowly becoming Cruz as he is the only healthy guy there every week.

    I would take S.Smith because he would be cheap. Dont look at his production as the wb play has been horrid this year. when he did play he scored A TD and made plays in that game a few weeks back.

    I agree about D.Jackson, but I would be all over R.Wayne. Its a no brainer. How much is he gonna want? he is 32 right?  He still better then anyone we got....some guys dont lose speed. Joey was still fast at age 37 but he just didnt want to learn.  Wayne is a student of the game and would probably pick things up quickly and who else is Wayne gonna want to play for after 10 years w/Manning?

    Maybe he goes home to N.O...who knows. I say his short list is Brady and Brees
     
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    Also Wayne has started in all 16 games going back to 03. Very reliable and durable. His #'s will be down this year due to no Qb there, and will be cheap
     
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    Lack of effort at times is the only comparison between Bowe and Moss. Moss is a HOF WR, and probably top 5 WR of all time. He had at his peak, much better speed and hands than Bowe. with that, I wouldn't want either if them here next year. I bet we add a WR in FA, and maybe 1 via the draft depending on Price's progress, Ocho coming back.
     
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