If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason.....

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    think the organization needs some tweaks before they make any off-season moves.  Granted we are all spoiled as Pats fans by the success over the last 10 years.  However, Bob Kraft is a smart businessman and he should make sure that BB's plate is not overloaded and that he is surrounded by the best and the brightest.
    I think the Pats might be feeling the loss of Dimitroff more so than Pioli.  The scouting personnel should be reviewed NOW.  I want BB to have the final say on draft day, but I want better field reports reaching his desk.
    Sure, none of us are in the war room on draft day, but I have to assume that some of the players they've drafted have been way over-hyped due to poor scouting.

    Posted by nyjoseph[/QUOTE]

    damn youre saying the same thing ive been saying for quite a while.
    refreshing to see someone else see the same thing. thanks for the post.
     
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    In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : That's how you use the facts to prove someone opinions wrong... I thought it was obvious Wes was being used more outside and in sets often different than what we were used to seeing him in 07-10. If we are only going to need a slot receiver 10-30% of the game you'd think Woodhead, Branch and Edelman could have it covered. If we are going to use it 40-70 percent of the game then I advice us paying Wes the 5-7 million I think he is worth. However if some teams runs an offense that needs a slot WR 70-90 percent of the time and they think Welker can haul in 110-120 catches a year still for 3-4 ore years... then he is worth way more (8-10 million) to that team than he is to us.
    Posted by rameakap


    to me wes is not worth much UNLESS WE GET A #1 OUTSIDE RECEIVER. THEN WES'S VALUE WILL GO UP. because he will  be one of the threats, along with an all purpose back who can make the d pay on breakaways, that will make even the best defenses struggle (dare i say impossible) be able to stop simultaneously.
     
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    Posted by natesubs[/QUOTE]

    "safety- LaRon Landry/Michael Griffin
    WR- eddie royal, welker, branch
    LB- mario williams, guyton, manny lawson
    DE- matt roth (this position will be filled mostly through the draft i believe)

    i think we should spend the big money and go after mario williams assuming he isn't tagged.  if we resign carter and anderson and pick up a great pass rushing OLB our pass rush will be fixed.  mario williams would be worth the 6-7 mil per year. that money could be made by cutting ocho and the money that would have went to haynesworth. 

    with manny lawson/matt roth/mario williams and mayo at OLB
    with carter/anderson/rookie (upshaw) at DE
    and wilfork/brace/love at DT
    spikes/mayo/fletcher/hightower? at ILB

    our lines would be pretty good"

    nate,
     glad to see what you ended up with at the bottom!
    i didnt agree with the top replace guyton and branch for me.



    ps have you considered a plan for how we get hightower and upshaw, which ive suggested as well oon the draft thread. both imo will require a trade up i expect.  im willing to trade up twice.
     
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    In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : Well I just showed the stats of the D-lineman available with our second 1st rd pick last year and they are not exactly tearing it up. Muhammad and Corey Liuget have 3-4 DE size but are not doing much. Warren and Love have outplyaed them. Same w/ Jordan and Heyward who are 285lb 4-3 DE's. Anderson and Carter have far outplayed them. Who would you have picked? I would have traded both picks up for Watt. Would you have passed on Solder for Clayborn or Phil Taylor? Then what picked Gabe Carimi or Sherrod later in rd 1 to take over for Light one day? Taylor is a monster but would he and Vince be too big to pair together? Clayborn is a solid DE, the type I'd think we cna get this year in Still, worthy or Winn. Guys who could be better than Muhammad and Liuget.
    Posted by rameakap


    dude i love how in sync we are with the same plans, players, etc all the time.
    and that you say it. as i do.
    where you here last year. i dont remember anyone being as outspoken as me about this stuff last year
     
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    In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : love the names but we don't have the cash for all those guys. Mario will be tagged, I am 99% sure of that... but he is a Peppers talent that will command 5-7 years 70-85 million if he wasn't. I think Goldson or Godfrey will be better with Chung than Landry, a gimpy SS who will cost more... but you still have to spend 3-5 million a year on one of them. Roth, Lawson and Royal will all cost in the 3-5 range as well. If we keep the guys we want to keep (Carter, Welker, BJGE, Arrington) we'd have the room to just get those 4 guys and call it an offseason as far as free agency.
    Posted by rameakap


    im willing to part wiht benny unless hes real cheap. carter is the one of that bunch i'm sure to keep.
     
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    If we went and drafted Hightower, Zach Brown or Te'o in rd 1 along with a big DE/DT type (Still, Worthy, Winn, Thompson) with those additions we'd have a pretty nasty front 7. In a 3-4:          Still (my fav DE/DT) - Wilfork - Love/Warren/Brace Ninkovich - Mayo/Guyton - Hightower(my fav LB)/Spikes - Lawson In a 4-3: Carter (Cunningham) - Wilfork/Warren - Still/Love/Brace - Anderson/Roth                Lawson/Nink  - Mayo/Spikes - Hightower/Guyton The addition of Goldon/Godfrey will make safety an area of strength. We then use a 2nd or 3rd rd pick on a CB and with Dowling coming back hopefully we have enough there. We also should use a 2nd and 3rd on a 6'4" WR and a C.
    Posted by rameakap


    re"If we went and drafted Hightower, Zach Brown or Te'o in rd 1 along with a big DE/DT type (Still, Worthy, Winn, Thompson) with those additions we'd have a pretty nasty front 7."

    rame,
     just out of curiosity did you pick those players after reading me talk about them on the draft thread (causing you to check em out) or were you on them already.. hadnt seen it on the draft thread or elsewhere. it doesnt matter im just curious. i hadnt seen you say yeah! when i posted them.

    looks like zack and t'e o wil go pretty high at the. moment.
    do you care wich one, or would you reach up and get the last one before hes taken? and would you try to get upshaw too (which also may require trading up)  or are you satisfied with one linebacker and then going after the de/dl.

    peace
     
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    In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : Yeah we def have the same kinda plan, good thinking on building through free agency and a front 7 that can switch seamlessly from 3-4 to 4-3. Last year I posted here, although not as much as Celtics and Sox. I remember wanting us to leave the '11 draft with Watt and Ayers all winter. I saw them as Seymour and Roman Phifer/Roseie Colvin on this D. Then when Watt's stock went way up and Light started to show his age I wanted us to take Kerrigan or Quinn (one of who I felt would be at 17) to be the new Vrabel or McGinest, and then best available OT, since there were 4-5 always mocked in the 20's, with the 2nd 1st rd pick. I was devastated when we traded the 2nd 1st rd pick to an obv elite playoff team in NO, worried about Dowlings injury history and annoyed with the double running backs and 3rd string QB in the top 100. Cannon everyone liked. If I was to do the draft over right on draft day, knowing who picked where... I'd have taken Clayborn, Carimi, Ayers, Daniel Thomas and moved up 5-6 spots to take Justin Houston. That was when we were still thinking Ty Warren and Bodden would be solid. and as previously discussed I'd have been all over Steve Smith... for a maybe our later 3rd last year and anywhere from a 2nd to 4th in 2012 depending on games played/receptions. No Ocho. Or just signed the other Steve Smith. I actually liked the Haynesworth move... maybe b/c it was less risk/$ and after we drafted no pass-rushers I was beside myself on how to form a decent front 7 and the switch to a 4-3 eased my my confusion and dulled my anger, haha.
    Posted by rameakap


    thanks for that post. you had to have seen me posting last year. like a 12 point lengthy overhaul of the teams problems on the eve of the playoff loss and numerous posts later, many or most in the draft thread, and also later posts regarding civility toward one another and self respect when some posters enjoyed attacking others more than talking about football.

    i know didnt really appreciate the reflexive trading down, when we may have picked a few players that would put us in the super bowl. it appears we have that same shot again this year. hope bb doesnt blow it.

    yeah i was on the steve smith move while bb was trying to get his buddy ocho
     
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    In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : I've just been all over LB's and DE/DT hybid types for years. I saw you were into those same names and hopefully the team listens this year. haha. Every year I hope that, b/c there are a couple guys at the same position, one of them will slip to us. Last year I felt we had a shot at one of Watt, Fairley and Clayborn as far as a lineman and one of Quinn and Kerrigan for OLB. Clayborn was the only one we coulda had w/o trading up, as it turns out. This year I love Devon Still... obv the Penn State tragedy has made you tune into that team a little more and he is just a monster. He was mocked in the 26-36 range the last few weeks but is rising. Like Watt was last year he may be out of our reach come draft day. You'd think one of Hightower, Brown or Te'o makes it to our 1st pick but who knows. They could all be gone. You look at those three and see guys who can play inside and outside in either a 3-4 or a 4-3. So valuable with us having no rush LB in a 4-3 and Spikes/Guyton being very solid backups with only 1-2 specific roles for 1-2 downs and no more.
    Posted by rameakap


    re"I've just been all over LB's and DE/DT hybid types for years. I saw you were into those same names and hopefully the team listens this year. haha."

    agreed.

    Every year I hope that, b/c there are a couple guys at the same position, one of them will slip to us.

    or even if we have to go up. worth it to get teh 2 or 3 gamechangers we need to dominate the league

    Last year I felt we had a shot at one of Watt, Fairley and Clayborn as far as a lineman and one of Quinn and Kerrigan for OLB. Clayborn was the only one we coulda had w/o trading up, as it turns out.

    i was thinking the same thing, though idve been willing to go up.

    This year I love Devon Still... obv the Penn State tragedy has made you tune into that team a little more and he is just a monster. He was mocked in the 26-36 range the last few weeks but is rising. Like Watt was last year he may be out of our reach come draft day.

    You'd think one of Hightower, Brown or Te'o makes it to our 1st pick but who knows. They could all be gone. You look at those three and see guys who can play inside and outside in either a 3-4 or a 4-3. So valuable with us having no rush LB in a 4-3 and Spikes/Guyton being very solid backups with only 1-2 specific roles for 1-2 downs and no more.

    i think the backers will probably be gone, one of the 3 dl's may be there by time our first pick comes.

    fill the holes in fa.

    trade up  for the players that will change our team

    (on lb, dl, wr [wr if its a guy we gotta have, in general i prefer 3 front 7, 2lb and 1 dl/de ]) 

    i'd trade up 2x if not 3 times (including using next years picks)

    we dont need to get younger. we need to get better.
    get the 2 or 3 game changers.

    do what were supposed to do with the best qb and the best coach
    win championships
    aT LEAST 2 more before they are gone.

    we dont need 10-11 jags every year (slight exagg to make my point)
    "


     
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    • Sign Dwayne Bowe.
    • Sign a servicable FS.
    • Draft a stud LB (Mayo, Spikes, and *insert stud here* in the 4-3 would be nice.)
    • Trade Hoyer. We all saw what the Eagles got for the unproven Kolb. (And I would like to see him start somewhere. Really like him.)
    • Draft the best center we can in the first round.
    • Re-sign Welker.
     
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    Sign Dwayne Bowe. Sign a servicable FS. Draft a stud LB (Mayo, Spikes, and *insert stud here* in the 4-3 would be nice.) Trade Hoyer. We all saw what the Eagles got for the unproven Kolb. (And I would like to see him start somewhere. Really like him.) Draft the best center we can in the first round. Re-sign Welker.
    Posted by oh-my-beard


    best center? anyone in the top 5  centers would be stud.
    mid round could grab someone and coach him up well enough
    you dont mention the dline. i think we need to add one there, 2 at linebacker.
    id like one of the better fs (top 3rd) in fa
     
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    In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : Yeah we def have the same kinda plan, good thinking on building through free agency and a front 7 that can switch seamlessly from 3-4 to 4-3. Last year I posted here, although not as much as Celtics and Sox. I remember wanting us to leave the '11 draft with Watt and Ayers all winter. I saw them as Seymour and Roman Phifer/Roseie Colvin on this D. Then when Watt's stock went way up and Light started to show his age I wanted us to take Kerrigan or Quinn (one of who I felt would be at 17) to be the new Vrabel or McGinest, and then best available OT, since there were 4-5 always mocked in the 20's, with the 2nd 1st rd pick. I was devastated when we traded the 2nd 1st rd pick to an obv elite playoff team in NO, worried about Dowlings injury history and annoyed with the double running backs and 3rd string QB in the top 100. Cannon everyone liked. If I was to do the draft over right on draft day, knowing who picked where... I'd have taken Clayborn, Carimi, Ayers, Daniel Thomas and moved up 5-6 spots to take Justin Houston. That was when we were still thinking Ty Warren and Bodden would be solid. and as previously discussed I'd have been all over Steve Smith... for a maybe our later 3rd last year and anywhere from a 2nd to 4th in 2012 depending on games played/receptions. No Ocho. Or just signed the other Steve Smith. I actually liked the Haynesworth move... maybe b/c it was less risk/$ and after we drafted no pass-rushers I was beside myself on how to form a decent front 7 and the switch to a 4-3 eased my my confusion and dulled my anger, haha.
    Posted by rameakap


    same thoughts here on draft day back in april...  i'd also like to see them build through free agency as much as possible before the draft too. brady's window is closing fast. another thing i'd like to see is for them to use their first round picks this year on known solid first round talented players without long injury history. not to trade out of the first round for a couple of 3rd rounders, its time to cash in now while they still have an elite qb. 2010 was a very good draft other than cunningham, last years draft only solder is showing anything yet. i think that cannon, vereen and ridley could all make it as well.

     
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    In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : best center? anyone in the top 5  centers would be stud. mid round could grab someone and coach him up well enough you dont mention the dline. i think we need to add one there, 2 at linebacker. id like one of the better fs (top 3rd) in fa
    Posted by brdbreu

    Pressure up the middle has been a problem since Koppen went down. And notice I didn't say the best center in the draft, I said the best one we could get with one of our first rounders. DLine is coming along rather nicely I think. But sure add another edge rusher.
     
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    Get soem linebackers, cornerbacks, safties. and a couple big WRs
     
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    If we stay playing the 43 I'd like to see them draft a true 43 type of defensive tackle, someone they could plug in next to Wilfork and could take advantage of the attention he gets. You got to think 43 type of players might be available with all the teams that have made the transition to the 34 and are still looking for players to play it. I thought Pryor and Hanesworth were going to be that type of player for us, I've closed the book on Pryor...this guy has beed nothing but one injury after the other. Obviously Wright is another guy that must be moved on from, and I thought he would of made a heck of a 43 type of player.
     
     
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    All great posts guys. I had chimed in on the draft board about potentially not resigning Welker, but instead using the money elsewhere. Actually taking that money and go getting a top defensive fA. My idea like some is simple. Hernandez becomes the new slot wr, with vereen and Edelman filling in. We draft another big TE in Fleener who can catch and block, then go get a big wr in Jeff fuller from a&m who is 6'4", 215. Hern is big enough to create separation at 245lbs, Fleener is another pass catching and good blocking TE, and Fuller is a physical WR that can stretch the field and is also a willing blocker. I know some may view my opinion of noy signing Wes as blashempy, but I feel like this is the direction we are headed. On to FA...use money saved on Wes plus other funds and bring in veteran Cb like Mathis, finnegan, etc. I also like going to get a FA LB if possible. Give me a4-3 speedy LB...Need to do some research on who will be available...someone in the 3-5 mil per year area In the draft it's simple for me... DE Vin Curry to play opposite Carter ...round 1 S Robert Lester to play next to Chung....round 2 TE Cob Fleener opposite Gronk...round 2 WR Fuller....round 3 DT Billy Winn next to Wilfork....round 1
     
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    They definitely need safety depth.

    I like Chung a lot, but the other spot next to him--depending on who's healthy that week--is a concern.

    I think they're OK at CB as long as Dowling, Arrington and McCourty are healthy (I know McCourty's not having a very good year but we really don't know what might be going on with him--I still think the odds are in his favor to be a top-tier NFL corner going forward).

    If they remain a 4-3 defense then their LBs are OK for the most part, though they could use help at OLB. I think Mayo can and will grow into being a very good ILB in a 4-3.

    I agree with adding a monster DT to pair with Wilfork inside. Getting an inside push from a 4-3 sets up the DEs to rush the passer much easier (re-signing Carter and Anderson would be a good idea, too).

    As for WRs....I don't think Welker is going anywhere. He's too important to what they try to do offensively and Brady would really miss him, big time.

    As for the outside guys, they need to re-stock there, for sure, but with the plethora of FA wide receivers available, they may be able to bring in some established veterans for a reasonable price given that there will be a saturated market.

    In the draft I think safety, interior offensive line, linebacker and interior defensive line should be their priority areas (WR can be handled via free agency).
     
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    All great posts guys. I had chimed in on the draft board about potentially not resigning Welker, but instead using the money elsewhere. Actually taking that money and go getting a top defensive fA. My idea like some is simple. Hernandez becomes the new slot wr, with vereen and Edelman filling in. We draft another big TE in Fleener who can catch and block, then go get a big wr in Jeff fuller from a&m who is 6'4", 215. Hern is big enough to create separation at 245lbs, Fleener is another pass catching and good blocking TE, and Fuller is a physical WR that can stretch the field and is also a willing blocker. I know some may view my opinion of noy signing Wes as blashempy, but I feel like this is the direction we are headed. On to FA...use money saved on Wes plus other funds and bring in veteran Cb like Mathis, finnegan, etc. I also like going to get a FA LB if possible. Give me a4-3 speedy LB...Need to do some research on who will be available...someone in the 3-5 mil per year area In the draft it's simple for me... DE Vin Curry to play opposite Carter ...round 1 S Robert Lester to play next to Chung....round 2 TE Cob Fleener opposite Gronk...round 2 WR Fuller....round 3 DT Billy Winn next to Wilfork....round 1
    Posted by PatsLifer


    lifer,
    with you till the end. our picks in rd 1 are too low for winn, curry and i dont think lester makes it to us in rd 2.

    so what do you do if you are gm?

    do you move up to get all three.

    youve seen those players are in my grouping (though mb turned ne onto winn)

    lester was the first player i put on my pats list.

    you may also have seen my resolving to pick up as much as possible to fill ALL needs in fa. so the draft is about getting the best game changers within our reach, being wiling to trade up throughout the draft, including trading picks from next year.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If you were the Pats G.M. this offseason..... : The point trying to be made was that there are 4-5 very good centers in this draft and you could pluck 3-4 of them in the 2nd rd and 1-2 could even make it to rd 3 or 4.
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE

    thanks rame for catching that. good looking out...
     
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    Interesting Post by shizzle..

    I would first look in the draft (young playmaker) at DE like a Feeny or Wake. Then the best tall and speedy WR available with no injury history. Then the best available Center (young). Then go to FA and shore up The D'backs.

    Have a great Game day ....
     
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    In the draft it's simple for me...
    DE Vin Curry ...........round 1
    trade down for a 2nd this year and a 1st next year ....round one
    C mike brewster.......round 2
    TE Cob Fleener opposite Gronk...round 2
    Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama .... round 2

    sign laron Landry, manny lawson, royal in FA
    resign carter, anderson, welker, guyton

    add another gronkesque TE and move hernandez to WR and beef up the lines with studs like curry and brewster.
     
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    Get Ghost's replacement
     
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    i wasn't aware ghost was leaving?
     
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    i wasn't aware ghost was leaving?
    Posted by natesubs


    If I were the Pats G.M. this offseason.....He would be. 

    You really didn't get that or was that some kinda shot? 
     
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