Impressive "old school" Patriots football stat

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    Hey Pezz how did you like Jackie Macs article on how the Patriots defense has held opposing QB's to a 37 total qbr over the 2nd half of the season(you know the important half) for the last 2 years. Hey it's no big deal to be wrong, "just man up"....

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    The fact that she compared the second half to the 30th ranked 1st half says it all.  It does not say they were a good D, it says they were a bad D that improved.

    If they were a good D as you suggest, there would be NO 30th ranking in the first half.

    Really, if you actually looked at it, the second half improvement in Defenses would apply to most teams.  That is why the Pats D moved up a total of one place in the rankings last year, from 32nd to 31st.(In the 2nd half)

     
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    The fact that she compared the second half to the 30th ranked 1st half says it all.  It does not say they were a good D, it says they were a bad D that improved.

    If they were a good D as you suggest, there would be NO 30th ranking in the first half.

    Really, if you actually looked at it, the second half improvement in Defenses would apply to most teams.  That is why the Pats D moved up a total of one place in the rankings last year, from 32nd to 31st.(In the 2nd half)

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    Actually the Pat's defense ranked 15th last season in points allowed.

    Currently they rank 11th and never approached the 30's...

    They don't give points for yards except in fantasy football and this isn't fantasy land.

    Why don't you just man up and admit you were wrong right there?

     
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    Hey Pezz how did you like Jackie Macs article on how the Patriots defense has held opposing QB's to a 37 total qbr over the 2nd half of the season(you know the important half) for the last 2 years. Hey it's no big deal to be wrong, "just man up"....

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    The fact that she compared the second half to the 30th ranked 1st half says it all.  It does not say they were a good D, it says they were a bad D that improved.

    If they were a good D as you suggest, there would be NO 30th ranking in the first half.

    Really, if you actually looked at it, the second half improvement in Defenses would apply to most teams.  That is why the Pats D moved up a total of one place in the rankings last year, from 32nd to 31st.(In the 2nd half)

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    Actually the Pat's defense ranked 15th last season in point allowed.

    Currently they rank 11th and never approached the 30's...

    They don't give points for yards except in fantasy football and this isn't fantasy land.

    Why don't you just man up and admit you were wrong right there?

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    That's points allowed.  The Total indicator which includes things like yards, 3rd down conversion% and TOP, which you guys love to ignore although they have been a measure of defense forever, ranked them 31st.

     
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    No, you're wrong, the team that scores more and holds the other team to fewer points wins.

    Its pretty simple really...

    Stats are for losers.  Even the troll above acknowledges this...

     
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    No, you're wrong, the team that scores more and holds the other team to fewer points wins.

    Its pretty simple really...

    Stats are for losers.  Even the troll above acknowledges this...

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    No, you are wrong.  The only way to rank a team is by stats although they don't tell the whole story (which is why there a number of them to try to determine effeciency).  Points allowed is just one indicator and then you also have to look at things like who they played. 

    When they play offensive powerhouses like KC and  Denver with TT,  that tends to lower the points allowed stat.  You have to look at the whole picture. 

    Also if stats are for losers, why did you start a thread boasting of an INCORRECT  **stat**.

     
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    The next time I check the NFL scores I'll look for the QB rating instead of the score to find out who won then... brilliant.

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    The next time I check the NFL scores I'll look for the QB rating instead of the score to find out who won then... brilliant.

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    Brighter bulb than the one you posess...

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    The next time I check the NFL scores I'll look for the QB rating instead of the score to find out who won then... brilliant.

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    You might want to look at the number of points the Offense scored in determining the winner of the games.   Like when they played the last place clots and Orlovesky shreaded the D..   Talk about brilliant!

     
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    Tha Patriots are 10-3, they've won 7 straight games.  They have the #1 ranked offense and the 11th ranked defense.

    I don't play fantasy football so I only deal in facts.

     
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    Hey Pezz how did you like Jackie Macs article on how the Patriots defense has held opposing QB's to a 37 total qbr over the 2nd half of the season(you know the important half) for the last 2 years. Hey it's no big deal to be wrong, "just man up"....

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    The fact that she compared the second half to the 30th ranked 1st half says it all.  It does not say they were a good D, it says they were a bad D that improved.

    If they were a good D as you suggest, there would be NO 30th ranking in the first half.

    Really, if you actually looked at it, the second half improvement in Defenses would apply to most teams.  That is why the Pats D moved up a total of one place in the rankings last year, from 32nd to 31st.(In the 2nd half)

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    lol....crash and burn pezzy. When you hold opposing QB's to a 37 qbr rating over a 13 game 2nd half of season period for 2 years running then we see just how unimportant that 31st ranking in yards given up really is.

    Hey.... see those straws...keep grasping.

     
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    Oh by the way that 37 qb rating for opposing QBs is number 1 in the national football league.....oops.

     
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    Hey Pezz how did you like Jackie Macs article on how the Patriots defense has held opposing QB's to a 37 total qbr over the 2nd half of the season(you know the important half) for the last 2 years. Hey it's no big deal to be wrong, "just man up"....

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    The fact that she compared the second half to the 30th ranked 1st half says it all.  It does not say they were a good D, it says they were a bad D that improved.

    If they were a good D as you suggest, there would be NO 30th ranking in the first half.

    Really, if you actually looked at it, the second half improvement in Defenses would apply to most teams.  That is why the Pats D moved up a total of one place in the rankings last year, from 32nd to 31st.(In the 2nd half)

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    lol....crash and burn pezzy. When you hold opposing QB's to a 37 qbr rating over a 13 game 2nd half of season period for 2 years running then we see just how unimportant that 31st ranking in yards given up really is.

    Hey.... see those straws...keep grasping.

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    Umm please show me where they held the opposing teams to a 37 QB rating.  Btw, shouldn't that be 16 games in the second half of 2 years?    Are you leaving out the 3 top games?

    You don't think it's significant that they played mostly bottom 10 Offenses during that time?   Buffalo was the best @14th.  Or that the O scored on average 37+ points in the same time period which helped the D?   Or the fact that 6 of 8 QB's in last years second half were BACK-UPS???  KC averaged 13ppg and Indy 15, for cripes sake.

    Oh my!  Talk about blind and grasping at ANYTHING that can get you where you want to go.

     
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    Hey Pezz how did you like Jackie Macs article on how the Patriots defense has held opposing QB's to a 37 total qbr over the 2nd half of the season(you know the important half) for the last 2 years. Hey it's no big deal to be wrong, "just man up"....

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    The fact that she compared the second half to the 30th ranked 1st half says it all.  It does not say they were a good D, it says they were a bad D that improved.

    If they were a good D as you suggest, there would be NO 30th ranking in the first half.

    Really, if you actually looked at it, the second half improvement in Defenses would apply to most teams.  That is why the Pats D moved up a total of one place in the rankings last year, from 32nd to 31st.(In the 2nd half)

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    lol....crash and burn pezzy. When you hold opposing QB's to a 37 qbr rating over a 13 game 2nd half of season period for 2 years running then we see just how unimportant that 31st ranking in yards given up really is.

    Hey.... see those straws...keep grasping.

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    Umm please show me where they held the opposing teams to a 37 QB rating.  Btw, shouldn't that be 16 games in the second half of 2 years?    Are you leaving out the 3 top games?

    You don't think it's significant that they played mostly bottom 10 Offenses during that time?   Buffalo was the best @14th.  Or that the O scored on average 37+ points in the same time period which helped the D?   Or the fact that 6 of 8 QB's in last years second half were BACK-UPS???  KC averaged 13ppg and Indy 15, for cripes sake.

    Oh my!  Talk about blind and grasping at ANYTHING that can get you where you want to go.

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    No, we are in week 14. We have 3 games left to play buddy. Omg you could make an excuse for everything. The defense didn't suck, doesn't suk, etc. etc. 37 QB rating by opposing QB's over the 2nd half of the year since 2010....Wait, that is 3 years, my bad, scratch that, 21 games

    Maday Mada,y pezz crashing and burning. Hey just man up right?

     



     

    Patriots' defense since 2010  1st half of season2nd half of season Opp Total YPG 390.8 381.5 Opp Pass YPG 288.0 264.3 Opp Rush YPG 102.8 117.2 Opp PPG 22.6 18.7 Opp Total

    1st half QBR 68.6 (30th in NFL)

     2nd half QBR 37.4 (2nd in NFL)

     

    Not coincidentally, as the team peaks in the final weeks, the defense's performance improves significantly.

    According to ESPN Stats & Information, since 2010, opposing quarterbacks in the first half of the season registered a Total QBR of 68.6 against the Patriots, which left New England ranked 30th in the NFL.

    But, in a dramatic turnaround, the Total QBR for opposing quarterbacks over the second half of the season dropped to 37.4, or second-best in the league.

     
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    Hey Pezz how did you like Jackie Macs article on how the Patriots defense has held opposing QB's to a 37 total qbr over the 2nd half of the season(you know the important half) for the last 2 years. Hey it's no big deal to be wrong, "just man up"....

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    The fact that she compared the second half to the 30th ranked 1st half says it all.  It does not say they were a good D, it says they were a bad D that improved.

    If they were a good D as you suggest, there would be NO 30th ranking in the first half.

    Really, if you actually looked at it, the second half improvement in Defenses would apply to most teams.  That is why the Pats D moved up a total of one place in the rankings last year, from 32nd to 31st.(In the 2nd half)

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    lol....crash and burn pezzy. When you hold opposing QB's to a 37 qbr rating over a 13 game 2nd half of season period for 2 years running then we see just how unimportant that 31st ranking in yards given up really is.

    Hey.... see those straws...keep grasping.

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    Umm please show me where they held the opposing teams to a 37 QB rating.  Btw, shouldn't that be 16 games in the second half of 2 years?    Are you leaving out the 3 top games?

    You don't think it's significant that they played mostly bottom 10 Offenses during that time?   Buffalo was the best @14th.  Or that the O scored on average 37+ points in the same time period which helped the D?   Or the fact that 6 of 8 QB's in last years second half were BACK-UPS???  KC averaged 13ppg and Indy 15, for cripes sake.

    Oh my!  Talk about blind and grasping at ANYTHING that can get you where you want to go.

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    No, we are in week 14. We have 3 games left to play buddy. Omg you could make an excuse for everything. The defense didn't suck, doesn't suk, etc. etc. 37 QB rating by opposing QB's over the 2nd half of the year since 2010....Wait, that is 3 years, my bad, scratch that, 21 games

    Maday Mada,y pezz crashing and burning. Hey just man up right?

     



     

    Patriots' defense since 2010  1st half of season2nd half of season Opp Total YPG 390.8 381.5 Opp Pass YPG 288.0 264.3 Opp Rush YPG 102.8 117.2 Opp PPG 22.6 18.7 Opp Total

    1st half QBR 68.6 (30th in NFL)

     2nd half QBR 37.4 (2nd in NFL)

     

    Not coincidentally, as the team peaks in the final weeks, the defense's performance improves significantly.

    According to ESPN Stats & Information, since 2010, opposing quarterbacks in the first half of the season registered a Total QBR of 68.6 against the Patriots, which left New England ranked 30th in the NFL.

    But, in a dramatic turnaround, the Total QBR for opposing quarterbacks over the second half of the season dropped to 37.4, or second-best in the league.

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    LOL, I see... That's ESPN's new QB rating.  Sorry I missed that.

    So what was the actual (you know the one used for 60 years) QB rating of those back-up, bottom of the league in offense QB's?

    Were there any other teams that played KC's back-up, Colts back-up, Miami's back-up, Denvers back-up,  washingtons back up and philly's back-up, in the second half of last year?

    LOL!  The Only starters were Fitz and Sanchez, if you want to call them that.

     
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    It's certainly the very definition of unpredictability... and a return to the Patriot way.

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    Unpredictictabilty?   Seems that it wasn't a typo at all, Right?  Seems like you messed up in saying 16 diff players caught a pass from TB.    Now, just man up.

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    What would you like me to do Pezz?

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    Try NOT blaming others for correcting your origional (incorrect post).  And while your at it, could you spell check for me?  Thanks!

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    God you're a psycho, who am I blaming again?  And yes you'd be welcome to use the spell check at any time.

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    They all are. Babe, Pezzy and Hurlie in particular. They have passive-aggressive disorder and unhealthy man crushes on Tom Brady, a guy who is heterosexual and could care less about them.

     

    They're Freud's wet dream.

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    So, are you backing up Wozzy's incorrect posting of "old School" stat?

    It was not a typo.  It was the whole premise of his posting

    Of, course you would take that and run with it.  You are Freuds only dream.

     
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    Yes, it is. The Washers/Irationals will do anything to deflect from the crux of any knowledgeable fan's point.

    The fact is, it's a major improvement over last year when Brady ignored Ocho and also ignored his own binky in Branch due to an addiciton over the middle wth Gronk, Welker and Hernandez, almost exclusively. It obviously caught up to them in the postseason, with the young, hardworking and battling D bailing them out.

    Multi-dimensional is clearly much better than one dimensional to normal people.

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    In 2011 the following guys scored TDs:

    BJGE, Ridley, Woodhead, Vereen, Brady, Hernandez, Welker, Gronk, Branch, Ocho, Edelman, Nink, Moore, Wilfork

    The 2012 list is as follows:

    Ridley, Woodhead, Vereen, Bolden, Brady, Edelman, Hernandez, Welker, Lloyd, Gronk, Stallworth, McCourty, Dennard, Talib, Gregory, Hightower

     

    That is a difference of 2 guys and this year 2 more guys have scored defensive TDs.  You can make a good argument that the offense is more diverse than last year, but this stat is not the way to do it.

     
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    This year 16 different players have scored a TD for the Pats, that's what I'd call parity or unpredictability.  It reminded me of the old days when the open receiver was the guy getting the ball...

    This total is the most players to score a TD for the Pat's since 2007 when 21 players scored TD's.

    Just to to put it in perspective, last year 5 receivers caught all of Brady's TD passes.

     

     

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    Interesting. That also ties to better balance this year vs last. I am getting a serious 2004 vibe right now. 

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    Yes, it is more balanced!  8 different recievers and 8 defensive td's.   Haven't seen that for 5 years.

     

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