Re: In hindsight, this season was positive.
posted at 2/7/2012 3:10 AM EST
In Response to In hindsight, this season was positive.
[QUOTE]We have 6 players left from the last Championship that we won... 2 of which (Koppen and Faulk) barely contributed. That dynasty ended when that core group of players left. Hate on BB all you want, but the fact that he has taken a completely different team to the Super Bowl speaks volumes about his coaching excellence. He hasn't won a super bowl since, but getting back to the big game is an achievement in itself. Obviously the true test for this team will be when Brady leaves...but thus far, in this regime, his program is working. The pats havent just been playoff contenders, but super bowl contenders for the past decade, with two very different rosters. Id still take this situation over what 90% of the other teams have been going through
Posted by dapats1281[/QUOTE]
I agree with most of what you said, as long as Brady is there it is not a completely different team. Whoopie, we went from being the early 90s Dallas Cowboys to the late 80s Denver Broncos.
Over the past seven years (since the dynasty ended) the Patriots have 77 regular season wins, but are 0-2 in the Super Bowl. The Steelers have 74 wins and are 2-1 in the Super Bowl, and the Giants have 65 wins and are two an 2-0 in the Super Bowl. I think both of those teams could claim to be better over that stretch (I know I prefer Championships to regular season wins). Heck in the Colts are 1-1 in the Super Bowl in that stretch!
If you are talking about winning with different rosters, I think Joe Gibbs set the standard. 3-1 in the Super Bowl over a 10-year span with three different starting quarterbacks none of whom are going to the Hall of Fame like a Brady or Montana.
Honestly, I do not think we will ever know how good BB could be without Brady. I suspect they will hang them up around the same time. They will always be tied together like Walsh and Montana. We will never know how good one would have been without the other.
Unless they get another title, Brady's career is Elway's in reverse. Elway couldn't win a Super Bowl on his own early, but got a defense and a running game at the end and got to titles. Belichick will be more like Don Shula. Won early and often, (an NFL Championship with the Colts pre-Super Bowl and two Super Bowls with the Dolphins), but he was 0-2 in the Super Bowl later in his career. I just hope that BB doesn't hang around for 10 years after the game has passed him by like Shula did.
Unrelated, did you realize that at 65, Tom Coughlin became the oldest coach to win a Super Bowl passing Dick Vermeil (63), Weeb Ewbank (61) and himself four years ago (61).