interesting look at roster projections

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    All very intersting - except for the middle section of post that as always veered into name calling and meaningless drivel that has nothing to do with the topic - but then the same idiots seem to go there on EVERY thread. Oh well.

    BB likes to have roster churn so you have to look at guys that haven't broken through that have been here for 3 years. I think even though he is a captain and ST ace, Slater has not been able to contribute anywhere else, so you have to wonder how long he stays. Cole, Deadrick, Cunningham all fall into that category as well. Fletcher and Tarp are in that class as well.

    And ... 'specialists' like Aiken and Washington - can someone with a real back-up role elsewhere do an equivalent job at the single skill they provide.

    A few folks are thinking that a 'veteran' receiver will be brought in - but Amendola, Jenkins, Jones, and Edelman have been in the league long enough to be classed as vets. I think another vet will not show unless the guys here already prove in preseason to be incapable or we get a string of injuries. Not counting Branch or Stalworth here as they may come to camp just to get the exercise and I don't see them as viable except as emergency players.

    Finally - Spikes. Great player, might be interesting trade bait. Not sure I see him being signed as a FA after this year and I am not sure he is essential to the defense.

     
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    All very intersting - except for the middle section of post that as always veered into name calling and meaningless drivel that has nothing to do with the topic - but then the same idiots seem to go there on EVERY thread. Oh well.

    BB likes to have roster churn so you have to look at guys that haven't broken through that have been here for 3 years. I think even though he is a captain and ST ace, Slater has not been able to contribute anywhere else, so you have to wonder how long he stays. Cole, Deadrick, Cunningham all fall into that category as well. Fletcher and Tarp are in that class as well.

    And ... 'specialists' like Aiken and Washington - can someone with a real back-up role elsewhere do an equivalent job at the single skill they provide.

    A few folks are thinking that a 'veteran' receiver will be brought in - but Amendola, Jenkins, Jones, and Edelman have been in the league long enough to be classed as vets. I think another vet will not show unless the guys here already prove in preseason to be incapable or we get a string of injuries. Not counting Branch or Stalworth here as they may come to camp just to get the exercise and I don't see them as viable except as emergency players.

    Finally - Spikes. Great player, might be interesting trade bait. Not sure I see him being signed as a FA after this year and I am not sure he is essential to the defense.



    Mia,

    I agree with the thought, but not the players. Slater is a captain. Cole was resigned. Deadrick was starting over Lovie at the end of the year...

    Could be some surprises however...Cannon? Lovie? Edelman? Ballard? Could they be on the bubble?

     
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    Cannon can play both guard and tackle and gives them the versitility they love in their O-lineman i can't see him not making the team.

    Lovie??? That's a tough call there are so many variables with the new interior guys and deaderick. Of the 4 you mentioned this could be the most likely cut.

    Edelman like cannon gives them versatility and he is one of the few recievers with any experience in this system. IF the 2 rookies and jones pick up the offense quickly and show they can handle the load then possibly he could go I just don't see that happening.

    Ballad is here especially with the health situation of gronk and hern. The only way he goes if he hasn't recovered fron his injury or he isn't the same player because of his injury.

    just my 2 cents



    Agreed

    Cannon's not a bubble player, he is the most talented young player on the line, there's always a chance he could start at guard or tackle if there's an injury or even if there isn't. I've always thought Connolly was our best center and Cannon our best guard after Mankins.

    Edelman just signed a reasonable contract plus he can play special teams as well as corner in a pinch.  I see TJ Moe making this team one because he won't survive on the practice squad but also he can also return kicks and is strong enough to play special teams.

    Ballard if healthy is our best tightend after Gronk, he and Gronk will be a matchup nightmare on the goal line and will open up running lanes.

     
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    Cannon can play both guard and tackle and gives them the versitility they love in their O-lineman i can't see him not making the team.

    Lovie??? That's a tough call there are so many variables with the new interior guys and deaderick. Of the 4 you mentioned this could be the most likely cut.

    Edelman like cannon gives them versatility and he is one of the few recievers with any experience in this system. IF the 2 rookies and jones pick up the offense quickly and show they can handle the load then possibly he could go I just don't see that happening.

    Ballad is here especially with the health situation of gronk and hern. The only way he goes if he hasn't recovered fron his injury or he isn't the same player because of his injury.

    just my 2 cents

     



    Agreed

     

    Cannon's not a bubble player, he is the most talented young player on the line, there's always a chance he could start at guard or tackle if there's an injury or even if there isn't. I've always thought Connolly was our best center and Cannon our best guard after Mankins.

    Edelman just signed a reasonable contract plus he can play special teams as well as corner in a pinch.  I see TJ Moe making this team one because he won't survive on the practice squad but also he can also return kicks and is strong enough to play special teams.

    Ballard if healthy is our best tightend after Gronk, he and Gronk will be a matchup nightmare on the goal line and will open up running lanes.



    I saw a lot of camp last summer. I have to say, and I posted on this forum, that if Waters was in camp, I thought Cannon was the odd man out. He was horrible. He did play in what, one game last year against the Jets with out mishap? I hope he is in shape and ready to take on a starters job, with Connolly or Wendell the C...I would like the Ol to get bigger. I am huge on Edelman, and happy he was resigned. If the 2 rookies perform this summer, some one has to go (I already have Jenkins out)

    My Ballard comments were strictly health related...he hasnt played in almost 18 months, and he was half a step slow to begin with.

    I wish I was going to be there this weekend, but I am not. Hope some one is and posts on the board.

     

     
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    JRI37 - agree that Cole and Slater would be 'unlikely' but BB always pulls a few of those moves at cutdown. And I think we know already that Slater is not a receiver and cole is pretty mediocre as a DB. They are both really strong on ST and Slater is a pro-bowler and captain, but ... at some point ST really isn't enough to justify a roster spot. I doubt that times has come for Slater, but it will, and if one of the rookies provides more upside at a 3 down position and is almost as good on ST then it becomes a tough decision to cut the rookie and keep the STer.

     
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    The projection is basically what I think should happen, with a few exeptions

    Cut Bolden, Add Hooman

    Cut Gregory, Add Ebner

    Cut Jones, add Moe (Always One UDFA)

     
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    The projection is basically what I think should happen, with a few exeptions

    Cut Bolden, Add Hooman

    Cut Gregory, Add Ebner

    Cut Jones, add Moe (Always One UDFA)



    I dont think Jones is medically cleared to play yet, so he may be a mid season reinforcement if health allows.

    Bolden played all 4 ST last year pre suspension, so he has added value other than RB

    I think Ebner has an uphill battle.

     
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    In response to BassFishingII's comment:

    I seriously was going to compliment him on his first non trollish infused post in over 2 months, but then he dropped in the "BB cuts Adrian Wilson" statement and I am not only speecheless, but it's seriously one of the sneakier posts he's put forth here because of how good the rest of the logic was elsewhere in the anaylsis, even if obvious analysis.

    You simply have to watch the sneakiness of these trolls. It can be one word or even a short phrase they try to sneak in there.

    I disrespectfully disagree with RKrap on Adrian Wilson and call his post absolute troll work once again.

     

     




    rkarp C&P'd the OP. He didnt author it

    www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/05/2013-patriots-roster-projection-draft-picks-find-their-fits.html

     

     



    or simply open up the bue link in the post, it takes you to the article...

     

     




    Was just pointing out to Rusty that you werent being a "sneaky troll", which he accused you of being, for having posted the OP, because you are not the author of the OP (unless your name is James hristensen, which I dont think it is)

    Your link btw took me to NePatsdraft.om, but not to the page the article appears

    My link leads directly to the article page

    http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/05/2013-patriots-roster-projection-draft-picks-find-their-fits.html

     

     
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    Cannon can play both guard and tackle and gives them the versitility they love in their O-lineman i can't see him not making the team.

    Lovie??? That's a tough call there are so many variables with the new interior guys and deaderick. Of the 4 you mentioned this could be the most likely cut.

    Edelman like cannon gives them versatility and he is one of the few recievers with any experience in this system. IF the 2 rookies and jones pick up the offense quickly and show they can handle the load then possibly he could go I just don't see that happening.

    Ballad is here especially with the health situation of gronk and hern. The only way he goes if he hasn't recovered fron his injury or he isn't the same player because of his injury.

    just my 2 cents

     



    Agreed

     

    Cannon's not a bubble player, he is the most talented young player on the line, there's always a chance he could start at guard or tackle if there's an injury or even if there isn't. I've always thought Connolly was our best center and Cannon our best guard after Mankins.

    Edelman just signed a reasonable contract plus he can play special teams as well as corner in a pinch.  I see TJ Moe making this team one because he won't survive on the practice squad but also he can also return kicks and is strong enough to play special teams.

    Ballard if healthy is our best tightend after Gronk, he and Gronk will be a matchup nightmare on the goal line and will open up running lanes.



    He survived the draft, and the Pats won't carry 4 slot WRs. They need someone to back up Dobson and that's Jones, unless Moe can beat out Slater for the ST ace. 

     
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    He survived the draft, and the Pats won't carry 4 slot WRs. They need someone to back up Dobson and that's Jones, unless Moe can beat out Slater for the ST ace. 

    Boyce is a full grown man at 210+ pounds, can run a 4.3 forty, I don't care how tall he is, he can play out on the edge.  At the end of the day the best players will make the roster, Jones has never been good, or consistantly good... Jenkins and Jones are gone.  Moe might be the best player we acquired this off season, regardless of the fact he wasn't drafted.

     
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    The only way Blount makes the team is injury to someone else. He's a good open field runner and that's it. Lousy blocker, can't catch the ball and dumb as a stump. Other than that, he's great.

     
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    Injuries to IR, whether real or phantom, will sort out a few of the spots. They always do.

     
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    He survived the draft, and the Pats won't carry 4 slot WRs. They need someone to back up Dobson and that's Jones, unless Moe can beat out Slater for the ST ace. 

     

     

    Boyce is a full grown man at 210+ pounds, can run a 4.3 forty, I don't care how tall he is, he can play out on the edge.  At the end of the day the best players will make the roster, Jones has never been good, or consistantly good... Jenkins and Jones are gone.  Moe might be the best player we acquired this off season, regardless of the fact he wasn't drafted.



     

     

    I think Amendola and Boyce will be #1 and #2. Both have the speed and can run good routes to play inside or out, short passes or long, from whichever position. What these two do can be so difficult to predict that I expect a lot of coverages to be blown. Add in the TEs, then I can't see how everyone can be covered. They will stretch the field side to side and vertically. RBs will have a lot of running space to run and gain 4-7 yards a pop and an occasional long gain, perhaps TDs.

    To me, Edelman, Moe, Dobson are specialists. The first two play mostly in the slot. Dobson plays mostly outside. They are good at what they do but easier to predict, hence contain. One or two of them will be in to relieve and/or to complement Amendola and/or Boyce. 

     
     
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    I forgot Bolden was on ST.  I think he makes the team over Blount.

     
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    The projection is basically what I think should happen, with a few exeptions

    Cut Bolden, Add Hooman

    Cut Gregory, Add Ebner

    Cut Jones, add Moe (Always One UDFA)

     



    I dont think Jones is medically cleared to play yet, so he may be a mid season reinforcement if health allows.

     

    Bolden played all 4 ST last year pre suspension, so he has added value other than RB

    I think Ebner has an uphill battle.



    Pats will keep one Special Teams DB, either Ebner or Cole.   I think they would like to keep Dowling since he was a 2nd round pick, and remains cheap with good ptential.  This means Ebner takes the Special Teams DB spot, and Gregory gets the boot.

    As I said before, I agree, Bolden makes it over Blount.  I also think they could cut one of the OTs, likely Zuesvekis, and add Dane Fletcher for LB depth.

     

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