Interesting Stat from Mike Reiss

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    All of our rushing yards and attempts by a starting 1-A runningback came in the 2nd half.  Let's not rewrite history here... Magically passing worked when the threat of a power runningback entered the picture, maybe unpredictability isn't going to happen starting Danny Woodhead or ANY of our third down backs in the first half? We've had this conversation already; on offense you can either pass or run, the combination of both creates unpredictability.  Starting Woodhead signals to an opposing defense that you're passing or that you want to pass...   Ridley's ability to run and catch is unpredictable. Posted by wozzy
    This simply didn't happen. They came out in the second half with an empty backfield and completed 14 of 15 passes. The score was 17-20 Pats with those 20 points scored with only 3 runs. It wasn't until they had 20 points that Ridley started getting the carries...and the yards. 3rd Quarter Play by Play New England Patriots at 15:00 MIA NWE   D.Carpenter kicks 74 yards from MIA 35 to NE -9. D.Woodhead, Touchback.     1st and 10 at NE 20 (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to R.Gronkowski to NE 42 for 22 yards (K.Burnett; T.Culver).     1st and 10 at NE 42 (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to W.Welker.     2nd and 10 at NE 42 (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to C.Ochocinco to MIA 43 for 15 yards (T.Culver).     1st and 10 at MIA 43 (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to C.Ochocinco (V.Davis).     2nd and 10 at MIA 43 (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to W.Welker to MIA 39 for 4 yards (K.Dansby).     3rd and 1 at MIA 34 S.Ridley up the middle to MIA 34 for no gain (K.Langford; K.Dansby). measurement     4th and 1 at MIA 34 T.Brady up the middle to MIA 31 for 3 yards (T.Culver). MIA-K.Burnett was injured during the play.     1st and 10 at MIA 31 (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to W.Welker.     2nd and 10 at MIA 31 (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to D.Branch to MIA 26 for 5 yards (M.Mitchell).     3rd and 5 at MIA 26 (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to D.Branch.     4th and 5 at MIA 26 S.Gostkowski 45 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko. 17 3 S.Gostkowski kicks 60 yards from NE 35 to MIA 5. E.Gates to MIA 38 for 33 yards (S.Gostkowski).     DRIVE TOTALS: MIA 17, NE 3, 11 plays, 49 yards, 3:21 elapsed Miami Dolphins at 11:39 MIA NWE 1st and 10 at MIA 38 N.Garner reported in as eligible. R.Bush up the middle to MIA 40 for 2 yards (S.Ellis; D.Fletcher).     2nd and 8 at MIA 40 M.Moore pass incomplete deep left to W.Yeatman.     3rd and 8 at MIA 40 M.Moore FUMBLES (Aborted) at MIA 38, RECOVERED by NE-V.Wilfork at MIA 38. V.Wilfork to MIA 38 for no gain (R.Incognito).     DRIVE TOTALS: MIA 17, NE 3, 2 plays, 2 yards, 0:54 elapsed New England Patriots at 10:45 MIA NWE 1st and 5 at MIA 33 (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to W.Welker to MIA 21 for 12 yards (K.Dansby).     1st and 10 at MIA 21 (No Huddle) A.Hernandez right end to MIA 20 for 1 yard (K.Burnett).     2nd and 9 at MIA 20 (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to W.Welker to MIA 14 for 6 yards (K.Dansby).     3rd and 3 at MIA 14 (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to A.Hernandez to MIA 5 for 9 yards (V.Davis). MIA-V.Davis was injured during the play.     1st and 5 at MIA 5 (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to A.Hernandez to MIA 3 for 2 yards (V.Davis; R.Jones).     2nd and 3 at MIA 3 (Shotgun) B.Green-Ellis right guard to MIA 1 for 2 yards (K.Dansby; R.Jones).     3rd and 1 at MIA 1 (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to D.Branch for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN [C.Wake]. NE 12-Brady 31st straight regular season game with a TD pass, extends Patriots record. The Replay Assistant challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld. 17 9 S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko. 17 10   S.Gostkowski kicks 67 yards from NE 35 to MIA -2. E.Gates to MIA 17 for 19 yards (K.Arrington).     DRIVE TOTALS: MIA 17, NE 10, 7 plays, 33 yards, 3:35 elapsed Miami Dolphins at 7:10 MIA NWE 1st and 10 at MIA 17 M.Moore sacked at MIA 7 for -10 yards (B.Deaderick).     2nd and 20 at MIA 7 R.Bush left end to MIA 16 for 9 yards (S.Brown; J.Mayo). NE-J.Ihedigbo was injured during the play.     3rd and 11 at MIA 16 M.Moore sacked at MIA 10 for -6 yards (R.Ninkovich). FUMBLES (R.Ninkovich), recovered by MIA-M.Pouncey at MIA 10. M.Pouncey to MIA 10 for no gain (K.Love).     4th and 17 at MIA 10 B.Fields punts 38 yards to MIA 48, Center-J.Denney. K.Faulk to MIA 41 for 7 yards (M.Mitchell).     DRIVE TOTALS: MIA 17, NE 10, 3 plays, -1 yards, 1:59 elapsed New England Patriots at 5:02 MIA NWE 1st and 10 at MIA 41 W.Welker right end to MIA 34 for 7 yards (S.Smith; Y.Bell). reverse     2nd and 3 at MIA 34 (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to W.Welker to MIA 26 for 8 yards (R.Jones).     1st and 10 at MIA 26 (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to W.Welker to MIA 23 for 3 yards (Y.Bell).     2nd and 7 at MIA 23 (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to A.Hernandez to MIA 13 for 10 yards (W.Allen).     1st and 10 at MIA 13 (No Huddle) S.Ridley left end to MIA 8 for 5 yards (Y.Bell).     2nd and 5 at MIA 8 (No Huddle, Shotgun) S.Ridley left tackle to MIA 1 for 7 yards (K.Dansby).     1st and 1 at MIA 1 (No Huddle) T.Brady right guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. 17 16 S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko. 17 17   S.Gostkowski kicks 66 yards from NE 35 to MIA -1. E.Gates to MIA 20 for 21 yards (N.Koutouvides; K.Arrington).     DRIVE TOTALS: MIA 17, NE 17, 7 plays, 41 yards, 2:45 elapsed Miami Dolphins at 2:17 MIA NWE 1st and 10 at MIA 20 M.Moore pass short left to B.Marshall to MIA 33 for 13 yards (J.Mayo).     1st and 10 at MIA 33 R.Bush left tackle to MIA 38 for 5 yards (D.Fletcher).     2nd and 5 at MIA 38 R.Bush left guard to MIA 46 for 8 yards (S.Brown; R.Ninkovich).     1st and 10 at MIA 46 R.Bush left tackle to MIA 49 for 3 yards (S.Ellis; R.Ventrone). PENALTY on MIA-R.Incognito, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at MIA 46 - No Play.
     
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    In Response to Re: Interesting Stat from Mike Reiss : Exactly, You and i just answered this almost identically. The arrogance by the Brady Ballwashers continues to amaze me. They'll never get it, apparently. Two failures by NE's offense in the first half that is directly tied to all first half abominations this year: 1. Subbing for RBs over and  over. 2. Never establishing a run with Brady in the shotgun. Posted by RidingWithTheKingII
    I don't understand how you keep repeating this sh it sometimes. You do realize the game was actually taped. There is video evidence of what happened, there is written evidence of what happened, pundits and reporters have written about what happened. Here is a fact " the Patriots did not get into this game by establishing the run". That is simply a fact, it is undisputed, you can spin this anyway you want but the video and the written evidence is clear. They came out in the second half and threw the ball with empty backfields to score 20 in a row. It was after that point that the run was established. I know the pass heavy offense was the problem in the first half but you must face the reality that it was an even more pass heavy offense in the second half that got the team going.
     
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    All of our rushing yards and attempts by a starting 1-A runningback came in the 2nd half.  Let's not rewrite history here...

    Actually, Ridley got two attempts in the first half and each went for two yards, plus he was targeted for one pass which went incomplete.Woodhead got four carries for twenty yards, and BJGE got two carries for eight yards.  So they did run a bit in the first half and did use Ridley.  It's easy to forget though, because Ridley didn't make any big gains on his chances then. Woodhead was the best option in the first half. 

    In their first two drives in the second half (18 plays overall, producing a FG and a TD), the Pats ran just one play through Ridley--a no gainer on third and one. They only ran three other times, a Brady sneak for a first down (following up the Ridley no gain play), a handoff to Hernandez for one yard, and a BJGE run for two yards (from the three). These two drives (combined with Wilfork's fumble recovery) are what got the Pats back in the game and Ridley wasn't a big part of them.

    Where Ridley did make a contribution was on the third drive in the second half. The Pats started with the reverse to Welker for seven yards, then went pass happy on the next three plays, successfully moving the ball 21 more yards to the Miami 13.  Then, on the fifth play of the drive, they ran Ridely for five yards on first down, followed by a seven yard run to the one yard line on second down. Brady then took it in for the score on the next play. Those two big runs on the Pats' third scoring drive which started with just 5:02 left in the third period were where Ridley began having a serious impact . . . 

    Ridley continued to contribute on the Pats' first drive in the fourth quarter (ending in a FG) Here, they used Ridley on three of 11 plays (but only two counted, because one was called back for an illegal formation).  Ridley again had an impact, gaining 21 yards on those two plays. 

    After this, Ridley was solid, but if he had a big impact it was only because of the balance. On their second drive (ending with a TD), they used Ridley on 4 of 12 plays, for a total of 11 yards. On the final drive, Ridley had no gain and then a big 18 yard gain which he took out of bounds when he should have stayed in bounds. 

    When you look at the game carefully, it becomes clear that the Pats actually used the up-tempo, no huddle passing game to get back in the game, then started to use Ridley to throw the Dolphin's defense off balance.  This isn't to say that using Ridley more is a bad thing--I'm all for it--it's just to point out that it's a bit of revisionist history to claim that the use of Ridley turned the game around. The facts point in a different direction. Ridley was used in the first quarter and really didn't play a big role until later in the third period after the Pats had already scored twice. 





     
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    Re: Interesting Stat from Mike Reiss

    another interesting fact:

    1st half 71% pass
    2nd half 62% pass
    2nd half (after first series netting a FG) 57% pass

    Last drive (only drive intended to kill clock) 1 pass 3 run so not enough to effect that 57% run ratio

    So....  when we were pass heavy couldn't score. The more we ran the more we scored.

    Yep pretty clear to me
     
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    In Response to Re: Interesting Stat from Mike Reiss : Coincedental.  And when you get ahead at the end of the game you run to kill clock.  Running more does not equal winning more, BUT winning more equals running more at the end of games. Why you handoffjobbers can't see that is beyond me.
    Posted by Patsfansince1966

    Pats with the exception of the last drive they did not have more then a FG lead. When you are only up by 3 you are still trying to get a TD instead of killing the clock. The only drive to kill the clock was the last one with 3 runs and 1 pass not enough to greatly affect that last %. Not to mention they were down by 17 coming out of the half and yet they ran the ball more in the 3rd quarter (the one they scored the most) then they did the entire 1st half.

    How is this confusing to you?

     
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    In Response to Re: Interesting Stat from Mike Reiss : Again, you HAVE NOT answered what happens when the opponent takes away the run????
    Posted by Patsfansince1966

    What happens when the opponent takes away the pass?

    Oh wait we saw that in the entire first half!

     
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    Re: Interesting Stat from Mike Reiss

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    In Response to Re: Interesting Stat from Mike Reiss : You're still not getting it.  Stop blowing Brady or acting like you want to.  The offense was absolutely horrible in his shotgun spread.   Again.  That shotgun spread is also a continuous subbing of RBs.  
    Posted by RidingWithTheKingII



    Rusty, you're choking on your whopper here.  

    It just isn't true that the shotgun spread was a failure.  They moved the ball very effectively using a spread with no running back at all for the first two drives in the third quarter. And every team subs backs all the time.  It's not 1972 where every play is run out of the pro-set, with the same back, same TE, and same two receivers.  Every team in the league is changing their packages continuously to create mismatches and confuse the defense.  You can't run one back the entire game ... it just doesn't work anymore.  And besides, Woodhead was their most effective back in the first half.  I'd like to see more Ridley too--I don't disagree with you there--but you're carrying this argument way too far to the point of absurdity.  If O'Brien listened to you he'd be running a 1970s offense.  There's a reason no one does that anymore.  It no longer works. 
     
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