Interesting take on Pats cap position

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    Parcells is a moron in the cap era. He never did anything good whatsoever in terms of building a team as a GM. He failed with the Jets, Dallas (not all his fault) and Miami.

    Learn your history and state facts.

    The Giants absolutely have not been drafting the same way at all since the 1970s.  The Raiders have, maybe the Cowboys, the Jets and all other poorly run teams who are still crappy.

    BB invented salary allocation under a cap per position and it's worked swimmingly for over a decade.  The salary cap was not in existence when BB or Parcells were in with the NYGs.

    Since Parcells and BB separated only one has proven to master the cap era's dynamics.  The genius himself, BB.  Not debatable anymore.  Christ, the Boston Bruins just won a Cup simply by Chiarelli mirroring what BB does with the Pats. Trade while stock is high, don't let the market play you, develop from within, etc. Parcells drafted low IQ, low character types and his salary allocation was horrendous.  The trade for Brandon Marshall and the money they paid him was an all time debacle for the ages and shows he had no clue.

    Once you read Pats Management Secrets Volume I and II, you'll learn that these concepts started in Cleveland in 1991 once it was well know the salary cap would become a reality in 1993.  The proof is in the pudding.

    NE is the franchise people try to copy, not the Giants. Absolute fact.  It's been corroborated over and over for years now.

     

     

     

    I actually think BB once was a cap genuis. When the cap was set up in a way that good players (like Vrabel) would get cut for salary reasons no one was better at finding those "value" guys. I am not sure that he has had the same luck since.

    Who has come in from another team via free agency and really thrived in NE since the days of Seau and the Harrison? He has brought in a handful of big names (Adilius Thomas, Rosie Colvin) and plenty of reclamation projects that flopped (Haynesworth, Ochocinco). Even the 'value' free agents  (Fanene, Gregory) have not really panned out. Lloyd actually did better than most putting up his second best season in terms of reception, third best in terms of yards, sixth best in TDs and a career low in yards per catch.

    So long as you measure success by any metric other than championships the Patriots are the most successful team from 2005-2012. What team has won a Super Bowl using the "Patriot" model if teams like the Steelers and Giants do not use it? They account for half of the Super Bowl titles since 2004. That leaves the Packers, the Saints, the Colts and who ever wins this year.

     



    Pitt and NYGs were BEHIND what BB had when BB formed a dynasty here.

     

    That's like saying what did Pitt or NY do from 2001-2004?  Nothing, really. They choked or came up short with flawed teams.

    Meanwhile, since 2005, BB has had his teams in 2 SBs.  One was a loaded team that underperformed against one of the luckiest plays in sports history.  Oh well. That's sports.

    Last year, again, it's hard to ignore, but Brady sort of let the team down a bit with a weak 4th qtr with a lead. 

    But, since 2010 in particular, the lockout, the cap really settling to 2009 levels (around 120 mil) and having no choice but to pay the best players strong deals, BB's creativity iin this area is actually a much more difficult thing to pull off.

     




    spin away Queenie...u r certainly a genius at one thing and it's doing anything and everything to support your agenda, to the point of ridiculousness

    u gotta work in PR somewhere or in the past because ur inate or learned ability to use spin, selective facts, pseudo-context and the convenient ignoring of counter arguments is truly a marvel to behold

    you will NEVER get it but i'll say it one more time and then u can do all ur wonderous research and homework for yourself:

    the NYG have drafted the same way with the same philosophy economically and otherwise before the cap ever existed, thru 3 generations of ownership by the Mara family...all the things Young and then Young and Parcells did 30 years ago is exactly what Bill Bellichick has done recently and the Giants continue to draft this way and structure contracts this way and sign free agents this way etc....from Young to Young/Parcells to Acorsi to Reese-that's why they have had success, why they are never in cap trouble and why they haven't had many long term downturns in the pst 30 years

    and the idea that the way BB does things is the only way to be successful at cap management-especially when there are different ways organizations work the cap due to their competition and need and philosophy-is ridiculous at any level-if u think long time successful franchises like the giants and steelers sit around copying bill bellichick that's a fantasy in ur head with no basis whatsoever in fact, just convenient nonsense you rant

    see the idea of taking the best player regardless of position, trading up for multiple picks, drafting for depth at key positions and letting high priced stars go a year too early than late and plugging in rookies without a significant drop in continuity-all giant and i am sure other organzations "blue print" for a loooong time before bill bellchick ever picked a player or walked a sideline as HC-believe it or not teams even passed the ball and kicked FG's before bellichick too

    hey it's no embarrassment to learn from the Master...even Michaelangelo learned from someone after all  :  )

     
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    Re: Interesting take on Pats cap position

    Parcells as a GM...Demarcus Ware, John Abraham, Cameron Wake, Shaun Ellis, Chad Pennington, Willie McGinest, Drew Bledsoe, Ty Law, Ted Johnson, Curtis Martin, Troy Brown.

    Yeah the guy was terrible. Lol!!

     
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    Parcells as a GM...Demarcus Ware, John Abraham, Cameron Wake, Shaun Ellis, Chad Pennington, Willie McGinest, Drew Bledsoe, Ty Law, Ted Johnson, Curtis Martin, Troy Brown.

    Yeah the guy was terrible. Lol!!

     




    Drafting Keyshawn, then trading him for two number ones.  The invention of the poison pill with Curtis.  Saving BB from never getting another coaching job again after his complete failure in Cleveland. 

     

     



    Well, he didn't draft Keyshawn...at that time he was in NE when the Patriots selected Glenn 6 selections later. He didn't select Glenn either, that was Grier and a power move by Kraft that lead to his eventual departure. Parcells wanted Brackens I believe at that spot - and I want to say Brackens ended up having a pretty darn good career for the Jaguars. I believe his plan was Brackens (or maybe Clemons) to shore up the defensive line and then Mushin Mohahmad in the second. By the time the second round rolled around Parcells had barricaded himself in his office and Grier took over the draft.

     

    But you're right, he did get two firsts for Keyshawn (who was a hell of a player at the time). I'm not exactly a big fan of Parcells for the way he left here, but the guy knew what a defensive lineman was supposed to look like...he is on record as saying he would have given up almost anything to draft Wilfork...and this is when Wilfork was a sophomore. At the time he said Wilfork was a guy that you could build your entire defense around - I totally agreed at the time and I was completely shocked when he fell to us. I watched that guy go through triple blocks against BC one night, he couldn't be blocked.

     
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    Parcells as a GM...Demarcus Ware, John Abraham, Cameron Wake, Shaun Ellis, Chad Pennington, Willie McGinest, Drew Bledsoe, Ty Law, Ted Johnson, Curtis Martin, Troy Brown.

    Yeah the guy was terrible. Lol!!

     




    Parcells was not the GM of the Patriots. That's why he LEFT the PAtriots.  Bledsoe and McGinest were also top 5 picks.

     

    Gee, thanks for not blocking good top 5 picks, Bill. LOL!

    Chad Pennington?  He had a noodle arm for crying out loud. He never had a chance in the NFL.    Also, Jerry Jones is the lead GM of the Cowboys.  Parcells did not draft Ware.

    Yes, he was terrible. He singlehandedly demolished the Dolphins organization.  One of the worst trades in NFL history was 2 1st rd picks for Brandon Marshall. Tears!

    Speaking of wakes, can you even name one organization he didn't leave with a path of destruction in his wake?  Jets, Cowboys, Dolphins. All got better in the personnel/cap department after he left.

    He has absolutely no crowning achievements as lead GM. Zero. Zilch. 



    He picked the players here until Kraft pulled a unexpected power move on him minutes before the pats selected Glenn...read a book...do some research you tool bag. Parcells is the guy who interviewed and decided to select Bledsoe over Mirrer. He brought in half a million guys fron the Giants. He signed that center away from the Dolphins. He was our GM until that Saturday morning when Kraft decided to stand by Grier and allow him to select Glenn over Parcell's choice Tony Brackens.

    "Wake" up, you're an embarrassement to yourself and Patriot fans worldwide.

     
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