Interesting take on Pats cap position

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    Well, Mankins name is in with that special group so I don't know how he couldn't but help but save on the cap.  Where did this come from?

     
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    Ahhhhhhhrcarp was just lecturing me on if I bothered to read the article. I read it again and can't see where we eat Mankins money if we cut em'

    That's all

     
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    rkarp...  the bean counters of the Patriots know pretty well what they need to do and BB knows who he will want to keep, trade or let go. There will be many decisions that will make fans happy as there will be many that simply make us go "what the f***!!!"  Of all the decision to be made, IMHO, Tom Brady is the most sacred cow in the house.  He will not go anywhere and has no reason to.  Yes, some here will point to Peyton Manning as an example of a supposed sacred cow that was let go, but, Peyton had injury issues and the Colts needed to move on without any question marks.  Presently, Brady has no question marks whatsoever regarding his health and play abilities.  He may not be a spring chicken, but, most QBs in the league would give their "left n*t" to play like Brady is playing now at age 36.  Overall, the team has holes to fill, a "real" WR and improved defensive backfield..  we shall see in the upcoming months leading to training camp.  The Pats have millions to spare, more than most teams in the upper echelons of the league.

     
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    No.  How you decipher information is up to you.  I will not read into 15 mill under cap as a bad thing regardless of who is signed or not.  Sorry.  BB is the best at getting bargin priced players just fine.  They still have their best players on each side of the ball with room to get better.  All they HAVE to do is sign Talib or a number 1 corner.  You saw the difference that did.  

    They have a real returner in Demps coming back.  Ballard bolsters out TE position.  The team is already better than last year if they can sign Talib.  That's what I see.  Then they have 3 picks in the first 3 round.  

    Not concerned about the future of this team in the littlest bit.   



    Of course being 15 mil under is not a bad thing, but it needs to be put in the right context. We have 15 mil to spend, but we currently have a roster of 39 players.  If we opt to try to keep Welker and his 100 + catches, that's 11+ mil.  If we want to keep Talib, that's 8+ mil a year.  I think Jason McCourty just got about that much, so Talib we be able to get that.  Pretty quickly, that 15 million is gone.  Like the Jets, we have a lot of money tied up in our top 3 or 4 paid players.

     
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    Can somebody read this and give me the Cliff's Notes version? 

     




    1. Gunty 42/46 is a moron delight.  His own GM has tried to copy BB and he mocks what BB does.  Yet, his own team missed the playoffs outright with a .500 record.

     

    Priceless.

    2. RKarp is utterly clueless when it comes to understanding finances.  He selects a wishful thinking-tinged anti-Pats based synopsis of what is otherwise widely considered incredible cap position for a very young team knocking on the SB door on an annual basis now.

    He suggests he'd like to provide the Bills and Dolphins cap situation, but not the Jets.  Funny how he wants to not provide the dire Jets situation in this discussion, as he provides us with a very poorly analyzed Pats cap situation. Hmm.

    This, on the heels of Revis being "shocked" he will be traded.   RKarp still can't figure it out.  If our best player needed a new deal while being 20 mil over the cap currently, an entire defense to fix, a new GM, no QB, a lame duck head coach, etc, this board would blow up.  RKarp's hypocrisy and lack of intellect cannot be made up. It just can't.

    Keep in mind he claims he went to Tufts and has an MBA from Harvard. bawhaa

    3. Everyone else but RKarp and MtHurl can see how great a position NE is in heading into 2013 and beyond before the cap rises in 2015.

    Translaton: Nothing has changed. The trolls who pose as Pats fans will still have a see through agenda while the rest of us call them out with ease.

     

     



    You seem to think that you have some insight into the cap workings of the NFL.  If that was the case, you would know that the odds of Revis being traded anywhere are unlikely at best. One, they would have to find a team willing to give up something more than a 2nd rounder for a CB coming of knee surgery, to have his rights for this year only. Two, they would have to be willing to take his entire cap hit this year from his 7 year contract to have him play for another team.  A far more likley scenario would be to trade Cromartie who is coming of a great season and under contract for a couple more years at market value.

     
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    Ahhhhhhhrcarp was just lecturing me on if I bothered to read the article. I read it again and can't see where we eat Mankins money if we cut em'

    That's all



    We gave Makins a 20 mil dollar signing bonus and 30 mil in gauranteed cash.  So far he's counted 7 mil on our cap.  Over the course of 5 years, it would cost us 23 mil to cut him now, half of that this year.

     
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    No.  How you decipher information is up to you.  I will not read into 15 mill under cap as a bad thing regardless of who is signed or not.  Sorry.  BB is the best at getting bargin priced players just fine.  They still have their best players on each side of the ball with room to get better.  All they HAVE to do is sign Talib or a number 1 corner.  You saw the difference that did.  

    They have a real returner in Demps coming back.  Ballard bolsters out TE position.  The team is already better than last year if they can sign Talib.  That's what I see.  Then they have 3 picks in the first 3 round.  

    Not concerned about the future of this team in the littlest bit.   

     



    Of course being 15 mil under is not a bad thing, but it needs to be put in the right context. We have 15 mil to spend, but we currently have a roster of 39 players.  If we opt to try to keep Welker and his 100 + catches, that's 11+ mil.  If we want to keep Talib, that's 8+ mil a year.  I think Jason McCourty just got about that much, so Talib we be able to get that.  Pretty quickly, that 15 million is gone.  Like the Jets, we have a lot of money tied up in our top 3 or 4 paid players.

     

     




    You can't compare other CBs salaries in different markets. The market is cotinually changing. The amount of quality CBs in FA hurts Talib, as does his chekered past, not to mention this is the best enviornment for him to play in with his agent knowing it.

     

    I can see 6 for him, but no more. Welker is gone. Once they paid Hernandez, that was it for Welker, long term here.

    I would not be srprised if Wilfork or even Mankins did some restructuring as well.  Vollmer will also not be overpaid.



    Maybe Talib would take 6, but I doubt it.  He showed this year that he can be a good little soldier and that he was the difference between a really bad pass D and a decent one.  Maybe Mankins will restructure, but that's just kicking the can down the road like we did with Brady.  Decent corners are a hot commidity in the NFL and few teams have even one.   The only one better than Talib on the FA market this year is Grimes.  Talib will get paid by someone.  

     
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    In response to RockScully's comment:

    In response to Frank158's comment:

     

    In response to Getzo's comment:

     

    No.  How you decipher information is up to you.  I will not read into 15 mill under cap as a bad thing regardless of who is signed or not.  Sorry.  BB is the best at getting bargin priced players just fine.  They still have their best players on each side of the ball with room to get better.  All they HAVE to do is sign Talib or a number 1 corner.  You saw the difference that did.  

    They have a real returner in Demps coming back.  Ballard bolsters out TE position.  The team is already better than last year if they can sign Talib.  That's what I see.  Then they have 3 picks in the first 3 round.  

    Not concerned about the future of this team in the littlest bit.   

     



    Of course being 15 mil under is not a bad thing, but it needs to be put in the right context. We have 15 mil to spend, but we currently have a roster of 39 players.  If we opt to try to keep Welker and his 100 + catches, that's 11+ mil.  If we want to keep Talib, that's 8+ mil a year.  I think Jason McCourty just got about that much, so Talib we be able to get that.  Pretty quickly, that 15 million is gone.  Like the Jets, we have a lot of money tied up in our top 3 or 4 paid players.

     

     




    You can't compare other CBs salaries in different markets. The market is cotinually changing. The amount of quality CBs in FA hurts Talib, as does his chekered past, not to mention this is the best enviornment for him to play in with his agent knowing it.

     

    I can see 6 for him, but no more. Welker is gone. Once they paid Hernandez, that was it for Welker, long term here.

    I would not be srprised if Wilfork or even Mankins did some restructuring as well.  Vollmer will also not be overpaid.



    Exactly, I think Talib is in and WW is out.

     
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    In response to RockScully's comment:

    In response to Muzwell's comment:

     

    Can somebody read this and give me the Cliff's Notes version? 

     




    1. Gunty 42/46 is a moron delight.  His own GM has tried to copy BB and he mocks what BB does.  Yet, his own team missed the playoffs outright with a .500 record.

     

    Priceless.

    2. RKarp is utterly clueless when it comes to understanding finances.  He selects a wishful thinking-tinged anti-Pats based synopsis of what is otherwise widely considered incredible cap position for a very young team knocking on the SB door on an annual basis now.

    He suggests he'd like to provide the Bills and Dolphins cap situation, but not the Jets.  Funny how he wants to not provide the dire Jets situation in this discussion, as he provides us with a very poorly analyzed Pats cap situation. Hmm.

    This, on the heels of Revis being "shocked" he will be traded.   RKarp still can't figure it out.  If our best player needed a new deal while being 20 mil over the cap currently, an entire defense to fix, a new GM, no QB, a lame duck head coach, etc, this board would blow up.  RKarp's hypocrisy and lack of intellect cannot be made up. It just can't.

    Keep in mind he claims he went to Tufts and has an MBA from Harvard. bawhaa

    3. Everyone else but RKarp and MtHurl can see how great a position NE is in heading into 2013 and beyond before the cap rises in 2015.

    Translaton: Nothing has changed. The trolls who pose as Pats fans will still have a see through agenda while the rest of us call them out with ease.

     

     




    I have to agree with this. As he keeps trying to make 'points'.

    If you don't think the Pats are in a good place, then you have wishful thinking of something negative.  Amazing.

     
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    In response to RockScully's comment:

    In response to Muzwell's comment:

     

    Can somebody read this and give me the Cliff's Notes version? 

     




    1. Gunty 42/46 is a moron delight.  His own GM has tried to copy BB and he mocks what BB does.  Yet, his own team missed the playoffs outright with a .500 record.

     

    Priceless.

    2. RKarp is utterly clueless when it comes to understanding finances.  He selects a wishful thinking-tinged anti-Pats based synopsis of what is otherwise widely considered incredible cap position for a very young team knocking on the SB door on an annual basis now.

    He suggests he'd like to provide the Bills and Dolphins cap situation, but not the Jets.  Funny how he wants to not provide the dire Jets situation in this discussion, as he provides us with a very poorly analyzed Pats cap situation. Hmm.

    This, on the heels of Revis being "shocked" he will be traded.   RKarp still can't figure it out.  If our best player needed a new deal while being 20 mil over the cap currently, an entire defense to fix, a new GM, no QB, a lame duck head coach, etc, this board would blow up.  RKarp's hypocrisy and lack of intellect cannot be made up. It just can't.

    Keep in mind he claims he went to Tufts and has an MBA from Harvard. bawhaa

    3. Everyone else but RKarp and MtHurl can see how great a position NE is in heading into 2013 and beyond before the cap rises in 2015.

    Translaton: Nothing has changed. The trolls who pose as Pats fans will still have a see through agenda while the rest of us call them out with ease.

     

     




    You're correct!! Nothing has changed - we will still be plenty under the cap and we will continue to get our heads kicked in by better teams in the playoffs!! Congratulations! We might even continue to leave ourselves 4-7 millon under the cap (that sure helps us). Perhaps we can trade another 4th rounder next season to a team that has a talented defensive player? That way it will cover up our defensive mistakes.

    Hey, how is that misfit poor decision by Harbaugh, quaterback doing these days?? What is that kid's name again? Colin Kaepernick? Something like that. It's too bad Harbaugh made the mistake of benching Alex Smith:)  Bawahahahahaaahaaahahaaa!!! My lord, you are easily the dumbest person on this site. Please please continue to enlighten us with your football insight, it is the most hilarious thing ever! 

     
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    The articles are not my points. I found each of the 3 teams analyzed against the cap of interest, and felt many would also think the same. I expected Rock for brains to attack me and be the Jets troll that he is, hopefully many interested and reasonable fans enjoyed the articles. 



    I'm not sure what the problem here is looking at things realistically.  Fine, we have 15 million to spend.  We need to sign a CB that is among the top 3 available in FA or our pass D we be as bad as it was without Talib, we need to replace Welker's 100 catches, Vollmer is  going to cost some cash.  An early second round pick that has started a bunch of games for us and now entering his prime is going to cost 5-7 mil/per year.  We then have 5 or 6 other roster spots that are currently unaccounted for, I have a feeling none of them will be for free. We currently have about 5 mil in dead money for 2013.  Given our past practices, that will increase to at least 10 mil when we start chopping off the underperformers.  15 mil is not a lot of money considering what we need to spend to field a team as good or better than last year.  

     
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    Re: Interesting take on Pats cap position

    In response to RockScully's comment:

    In response to Muzwell's comment:

     

    Can somebody read this and give me the Cliff's Notes version? 

     




    1. Gunty 42/46 is a moron delight.  His own GM has tried to copy BB and he mocks what BB does.  Yet, his own team missed the playoffs outright with a .500 record.

     

    Priceless.

    2. RKarp is utterly clueless when it comes to understanding finances.  He selects a wishful thinking-tinged anti-Pats based synopsis of what is otherwise widely considered incredible cap position for a very young team knocking on the SB door on an annual basis now.

    He suggests he'd like to provide the Bills and Dolphins cap situation, but not the Jets.  Funny how he wants to not provide the dire Jets situation in this discussion, as he provides us with a very poorly analyzed Pats cap situation. Hmm.

    This, on the heels of Revis being "shocked" he will be traded.   RKarp still can't figure it out.  If our best player needed a new deal while being 20 mil over the cap currently, an entire defense to fix, a new GM, no QB, a lame duck head coach, etc, this board would blow up.  RKarp's hypocrisy and lack of intellect cannot be made up. It just can't.

    Keep in mind he claims he went to Tufts and has an MBA from Harvard. bawhaa

    3. Everyone else but RKarp and MtHurl can see how great a position NE is in heading into 2013 and beyond before the cap rises in 2015.

    Translaton: Nothing has changed. The trolls who pose as Pats fans will still have a see through agenda while the rest of us call them out with ease.

     

     




    42/46 is a moron delight. His own GM has tried to copy BB and he mocks what BB does. Yet, his own team missed the playoffs outright with a .500 record.

    Wrong as usual Queenie...i know u think bill bellichick invented football and discovered everything first including wearing cleets and the rest all just follow and copy him but u really got to stop with this little fantasy of yours especially when it comes to your daddies

    as i have pointed out ad nauseum the gmen h ave been drafting the same way since the late 70's/early 80's when george young and bill parcells taught bellichick how to do it and acorsi and reese are just the latest to do it the same way, before during and after your sacred salary cap u think is the answer to everything-the Giants have had the same philosophy since forever under the Mara's and that includes when BB learned how to do it while he was here

    see ur type of smarter than the rest of us self lovers always have that left-handed snide way u "compliment" others to forward ur own agenda ie: I give reese credit for following bb's blueprint blah blah blah-spare me, jerry reesedoesn't give a damn what bellichick and the pats do and follows the "blueprint" laid down two generations ago by Young and The Master

     

     
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