Is BB getting the job done as Head Coach?

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    Rusty its pointless. We've discussed this ad nauseam throughout the season. If they continue this offensive philosophy that they have been on since 2007 they will not beat teams with a defense like the Giants, especially in the post season. They went with it again and we saw what happened in the Super Bowl. 17 points wont cut it unless they have an 85 Bears defense. The offense is supposed to be the strength of the team but has continued to fail in big games.  
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Is BB getting the job done as Head Coach? : How is knowing BB would never, ever publicly make excuses or trash a co-worker me trying to spin my way out of it?  It's called not being an imbecile.  BB also protected Dean Pees and then fired him.  You're a moron and so is babe for believing every single thing on face value that BB says publicly. YOU give it up. You and Babe belong together.  BB doesn't alwasy say the truth, especially to the public about his team and his feelings. Duh. This ain't news to Pats fans who have a clue.
    Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    LOL.  Russ - I'll readily accept that Belichick words may simply be him not selling out his assistant, but that is just one side of it.  Did you ever EVER begin to think that he may actually be telling the truth? 

    If not, why not? 

    Is Belichick not capable of being publicly honest?  Just as you wish to discount me and/or Babe for taking Belichick at his word, you are even worse for doing completely the opposite, and that's the point.  At the very least, his words support our claim.  What do you have to the contrary?  Nothing. 

    And that my dear friend is the very essence of spin.

    Look, you've said yourself that Belichick doesn't always tell the truth, but the question for you is does he NEVER tell the truth?  If you are willing to admit that sometimes Belichick is honest, then you are telling the rest of us that you know when he is and when he is not.  That's the clairvoyance you are claiming you have. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Look no further than the great 1st drive out of halftime in the SB or the tiimeout taken BY BB HIMSELF in Oakland when he SLAPPED O'Brien and Brady to start the game.  Both were likely BB infused moves.  He can't do that all the time!  Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    So Belichick found time to correct O'Brien's and Brady's alleged mistakes during a regular season game against a cr#p team like Oakland but he couldn't find time to correct their alleged mistakes during the biggest, most important game of the season--the Super Bowl!

    What the heck else are those voices in your head telling you!!!!!!
     
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    BB would never throw anyone under the bus nor would just about any other good coach. Even when guys have a great game BB wont say much about it, he will usually point out that the whole team played well. The most he usually says is that a guy has played some good games this year, works hard, ect.. he doesn't single guys out good or bad. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Capable of being honest about what? What you're saying is, any organization should air dirty laundry.  This is why you are a moron and I am not.  In a normal world, you never air dirty laundry or throw people under the bus, and absolutely the captain fo the ship takes the blame. That doesn't mean is to blame for a person collecting a paycheck with the OC title next to his name on the payroll, however. I don't believe people should air dirty laundry and point fingers like that.  You do because you support Gomer Manning doing it.  There is no way on earth BB could be happy with Bill O'Brien or Brady's performance in that SB. I don't need him to publicly state that for me to know that.
    Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]
    This is where the board applies the "you're just to dense or obstinate to get it" characterization of you. 

    No one said its ok to air the teams dirty laundry publicly.  Your problem in this case is that you've completely internalized the assumption that there was dirty laundry to begin with, and you have provided no factual basis for believing that exists. 

    The only thing that exists is your continued desire to bash O'brien based upon your own preconceived notions.  You really don't know whether or not they actually exist within the patriots organization, but in order for you to continue your rant you make up things to fit your desired position

    To everything turn turn turn. 
    You spin me right baby, right round like a record baby, right round round round.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Is BB getting the job done as Head Coach? : Yes.  It's not a "mistake" either. It's adjusting.  Out of halftime NE scored on a graeat drive with the base of that drive BJGE as the lead back. Do you really think BB says to O'Brien "Now Bill, make sure you get Woodhed back involved on the next drive."...? LOL!! Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    Man, you really are an idiot.  The TD drive to start the third quarter involved both Benny and Woodhead (yes, they subbed for the RB, god forbid!).  It also used a lot of shotgun spread.   

    1-10-NE 21 (14:54) T.Brady pass deep left to C.Ochocinco ran ob at NE 42 for 21 yards. P11

    1-10-NE 42 (14:30) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to B.Green-Ellis to 50 for 8 yards (M.Boley; C.Blackburn).

    2-2-50 (14:00) B.Green-Ellis right end pushed ob at NYG 33 for 17 yards (K.Phillips). R12

    1-10-NYG 33 (13:22) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to W.Welker to NYG 28 for 5 yards (D.Grant).

    2-5-NYG 28 (12:54) (No Huddle) D.Woodhead left tackle to NYG 24 for 4 yards (O.Umenyiora; D.Grant).

    3-1-NYG 24 (12:27) (Run formation) B.Green-Ellis left tackle to NYG 20 for 4 yards (K.Phillips). R13

    1-10-NYG 20 (11:55) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to W.Welker to NYG 12 for 8 yards (A.Rolle).2-2-NYG 12 (11:25) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to A.Hernandez for 12 yards, TOUCHDOWN. P14

    The second drive--the one you thought featured Woodhead--actually featured Benny.


    New England Patriots at 6:43, (1st play from scrimmage 6:37)

    (6:37) B.Green-Ellis right end to NE 19 for 2 yards (C.Blackburn). NYG-J.Pierre-Paul was injured during the play.

    His return is Probable.

    1-10-NE 17

    2-8-NE 19 (6:12) (Run formation) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to B.Green-Ellis.

    3-8-NE 19 (6:12) (Shotgun) T.Brady sacked at NE 15 for -4 yards (J.Tuck).

    4-12-NE 15 (6:12) Z.Mesko punts 43 yards to NYG 42, Center-D.Aiken. W.Blackmon to NE 48 for 10 yards (M.Slater).



    If you're going to try to make an argument--no matter how absurd and incoherent--at least start by trying to get just a few of your facts right. 

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Is BB getting the job done as Head Coach? : I don't care which drives were which. 
    Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    That explains why you're an idiot.  Thanks for admitting it. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Is BB getting the job done as Head Coach? : Yes.  It's not a "mistake" either. It's adjusting.  Out of halftime NE scored on a graeat drive with the base of that drive BJGE as the lead back. Do you really think BB says to O'Brien "Now Bill, make sure you get Woodhed back involved on the next drive."...? LOL!! BB doesn't micromanage anything other than what he knows and that's defense (when needed).   Did you read the Scarnecchia article? HE tells BB to "get away", he's got it.    Makes sense. Scar is a 30 year coach who is great at his craft. O Brien is a 3rd year OC who just got his title, but what does it say if BB tells O'Brien what plays to call during games and how many timeouts do you expect BB to call to interject with O'Brien's thinking? IN the NFL, Prolate, a team gets 3 timeouts and they're pretty important. lol If Brady lobbies O'Brien for plays and BB doesn't jump in, this is on BB directly for not jumping in? Why was MOss lobbying for plays at halftime in Miami?  He's Brady's binky.  Hmm. McDaniels better be ready to be Brady's coach and not his buddy. 
    Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    Did you know that Green Ellis didn't run the ball once on the Patriots 98 yd TD drive to end the first half.  Wonder how that happened? 

    Did you know Green Ellis was the base of the offense on a 3 and out drive in the 3rd or that he was the lead back on a fizzled drive in the 4th? 

    Speaking of experience, why in the world would Belichick elevate a coach to OC that (based on the things you say) you know he doesn't have confidence in? 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Is BB getting the job done as Head Coach? : You're a mental case for belieivng everything that BB says is to be taken at face value. What's he supposedto say? "Yeah, he wasn't good, ask him why he was a moron.."?? Do you believe in the tooth fairy, too? lol
    Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    Let's do another poll.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Is BB getting the job done as Head Coach? : So, what you're saying is you expect BB to micromanage the guy he hired, an offensive guy, which BB isn't, during games? We don't have to pass 60+% of the time. We just saw why and you still don't get it. That's where you are wrong.  BB isn't subbing for BJGE on 1st down. O'Brien is. You expect BB to work magical miracles during games as a head coach all the time, but don't expect your 20 million dollar per year future HOF QB to not be a moron, taking Safeties and lobbing Favresque INTs? Why? How much do you expect BB to handle?  Weren't we seeing columns just last year about BB was a dictator and doing too much? Hmmm? Oh, I think we were! Dude, Brady is straight and married. Forget it.  Your fantasies are your own, but just forget it.  I've never seen fans so enamored with one player in my life. EVen Larry Bird didn't have people this obsessive. Orr, yes.  Seek help. O'Brien and Brady were far worse in the SB than any lack of interjections from BB to try to cut those stupid moves off at the pass.  Look no further than the great 1st drive out of halftime in the SB or the tiimeout taken BY BB HIMSELF in Oakland when he SLAPPED O'Brien and Brady to start the game.  Both were likely BB infused moves.  He can't do that all the time!  This just proves you work at a low level job. You know nothing. The bottomline is, O'Brien failed when given ample opportunities. If you want to bash the hire, fine, but the proof is in the pudding.  O'Brien acted like he had nothing to work with.
    Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    Why did you even bring up Brady in this? I never even mentioned him in my original post - come to think of it this thread really is not about him - you're the one who keeps bringing him up. Truthfully I think he's the best QB in the league, but this post is about why you would think the team operates the way it does.

    Sorry a guy (Belichick) can have a heavy control over this team without micro managing it. Every player he brings in is here to fit his system - every coach he hired was trained in his ways...every game plan, adjustment, key play has his hands all over it. What do you think he does? Stand on the sideline for face value? Maybe make mean faces for TV ratings? Maybe Kraft just uses him for his exceptional way of communicating with the media post game? Yeah that must be it.

    You really need to stop the infatuation with Benny - no matter how hard you squeeze your BJGE teddy bear, he still won't be able to make yardage off a play that isn't perfectly blocked. How did you enjoy watching the try hard undrafted free agent stall/kill drive after drive this year when 8 guys got to the line of scrimmage before his slow legs did? That was fun wasn't it?! Benny off left tackle for a no yard gain, Benny up the middle for a no yard gain, Benny off the right tackle for a no yard gain, Benny outside for a five yard loss.
     
    There was a reason Belichick drafted two runners in last year's draft. There was a reason why there were 28 guys that rushed for more yards than him this year. There is a reason why 47 runners in the NFL had a better average per carry than him...it's because he's not very good. It's also why a hall of fame coach decided it would be best to throw the ball more than hand it off to him.

    You really need to relax/calm down...maybe take a vacation or something. I've seen you get like this (It's sad really), you end up bashing Brady and acting like a major league troll - you don't want to get banned again for the 4th time since the season started. Tisk tisk. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Is BB getting the job done as Head Coach? : Why did you even bring up Brady in this? I never even mentioned him in my original post - come to think of it this thread really is not about him - you're the one who keeps bringing him up. Truthfully I think he's the best QB in the league, but this post is about why you would think the team operates the way it does. Sorry a guy (Belichick) can have a heavy control over this team without micro managing it. Every player he brings in is here to fit his system - every coach he hired was trained in his ways...every game plan, adjustment, key play has his hands all over it. What do you think he does? Stand on the sideline for face value? Maybe make mean faces for TV ratings? Maybe Kraft just uses him for his exceptional way of communicating with the media post game? Yeah that must be it. You really need to stop the infatuation with Benny - no matter how hard you squeeze your BJGE teddy bear, he still won't be able to make yardage off a play that isn't perfectly blocked. How did you enjoy watching the try hard undrafted free agent stall/kill drive after drive this year when 8 guys got to the line of scrimmage before his slow legs did? That was fun wasn't it?! Benny off left tackle for a no yard gain, Benny up the middle for a no yard gain, Benny off the right tackle for a no yard gain, Benny outside for a five yard loss.   There was a reason Belichick drafted two runners in last year's draft. There was a reason why there were 28 guys that rushed for more yards than him this year. There is a reason why 47 runners in the NFL had a better average per carry than him...it's because he's not very good. It's also why a hall of fame coach decided it would be best to throw the ball more than hand it off to him. You really need to relax/calm down...maybe take a vacation or something. I've seen you get like this (It's sad really), you end up bashing Brady and acting like a major league troll - you don't want to get banned again for the 4th time since the season started. Tisk tisk. 
    Posted by mthurl[/QUOTE]

    Russ is cornered like a rat now. He would have us believe that BB agrees with him that we pass too much especially from the spread and BB just ignores that because him insisting that tendency change would be "micro-managing".

    This is the textbook definition of ludicrous.
     
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    is the defense better than what it was in 2005/2006?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Is BB getting the job done as Head Coach? : Like a trapped rat in a corner now you grasp at straws. BB is in charge. If the team is one dimentional and that is a bad thing then he has the power to change it but he hasn't. Really, all you do is bash BB's coaching and Brady too, but try to disguise it.
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    Here Babe, It's flashback Friday.  Thought you might like it.

     
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    A friend who recently wrote a book about the Pats told me he interviewed Babe extensively and he was a very gracious gentleman who was very generous with his time.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Is BB getting the job done as Head Coach? : Equal, at least quantitatively.  2005 and 2006s had major experience,, but were old. 2010s or 2011s had more speed and athleticism.   So, you offset each's strengths.
    Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    2006 defense gave up 35 points to the colts in the second half of the afc cg......imagine the hatred this defense would get if that happened this year? but people just write this defense off and pretend like just because they won three super bowls with a different defense, that they are head and shoulders above this patriots defense.....vrabel, bruschi, law, milloy, seymour, etc, were all great, but they werent the freakin 85 bears or 2000 ravens....they won those super bowls with balance on offense and GOOD defensive play, not great. people act like those defenses never gave up leads....in the 2001 sb they gave up a 17-7 lead to the rams in the 4th quarter, in sb 38 they gave up a lead late, and against the eagles, they allowed TO, who was playing coming off a broken leg, to get 10 catches and 100+ yards on them....im not saying this defense is better than it was in the early 2000's, but to dump on them is just rediculous....giving up 19 points to an offense as potent as the giants is no crime

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Is BB getting the job done as Head Coach? : 2006 defense gave up 35 points to the colts in the second half of the afc cg......imagine the hatred this defense would get if that happened this year? but people just write this defense off and pretend like just because they won three super bowls with a different defense, that they are head and shoulders above this patriots defense.....vrabel, bruschi, law, milloy, seymour, etc, were all great, but they werent the freakin 85 bears or 2000 ravens....they won those super bowls with balance on offense and GOOD defensive play, not great. people act like those defenses never gave up leads....in the 2001 sb they gave up a 17-7 lead to the rams in the 4th quarter, in sb 38 they gave up a lead late, and against the eagles, they allowed TO, who was playing coming off a broken leg, to get 10 catches and 100+ yards on them....im not saying this defense is better than it was in the early 2000's, but to dump on them is just rediculous....giving up 19 points to an offense as potent as the giants is no crime
    Posted by redsoxfan94[/QUOTE]

    Those defenses were flawed at certain spots - all defenses are, but the one we have now can be picked to pieces. We got a nice break when we had to face the Broncos and Ravens...then you can add in the fact that we got two good run defenders back (Spikes and Chung). But I don't think you should confuse this for a defense that could stop an offense that had a good QB or some weapons, because they weren't able to do that one single time this season. They couldn't do it last season either, or the one before - something has got to change.

    I think they tried to change things this year and injuries killed us (Pryor, Wright, Carter, Haynesworth taking a big dump, Bodden, etc.). In the end they tightened things up enough to be presentable (I had no doubt Belichick would get them to that point), but being presentable is much different than being Super Bowl worthy.
     
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