Is Browner good or are we all expecting too much?

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    Re: Is Browner good or are we all expecting too much?

    Stole my source and comment from patsfans.com I see lol

    But no, I think with Browner its all about matchups. He struggles vs. the smaller quicker WR, but is at his best when he can get up on the line and be physical with a bigger WR. Browner is one of the best CBs in the NFL inside 10 yards of the LOS.

    Revis will defend the #1 WR always then from there, its matchups. Browner will take the next biggest weapon and Dennard will take the smaller weapon whether it be in the slot or on the outside. Browner also will at times probably guard TEs like J. Thomas for Denver because of his physicality.

    If we put BB in the right spot to defend, which we will, he is gonna be very good.

    Also here is a table of the matchups for each week that I think is very possible for the season. So Revis takes the #1, then BB takes a taller bigger guy and Dennard gets whats left... http://joepatsfan.blogspot.com/2014/06/patriots-secondary-matchups.html

     

     
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    Re: Is Browner good or are we all expecting too much?

    Browner is a corner in name only, if he played ten years ago when Randy Moss was considered a really big WR then he would be called what he actually is, a strong safety.  I have plenty of questions about Browner, the first of which is can he stay healthy and productive at SS for a full season.  He hasn't proven anything yet.  Revis and Dennard will be the starting corners if healthy, Ryan is probably next in line to start on the edge.  Browner is only a "corner" when a 6'5" 230 pound or bigger receiver is across the line, otherwise he is a SS.

    While I'm dispelling myths lets do away with another, Logan Ryan is a corner not a safety.  Devin McCourty is up for a new contract, BB leaking that Ryan might play some safety is a negotiating ploy.  Can he play some free safety, yes, but every player in the entire defensive backfield has the potential to play safety, not every player can play corner.

     
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    Browner's  a corner; can't find any reference anywhere that has him play safety since he's been in the NFL.  He's a big corner who relies on physical play to disrupt receivers' routes.  I think he's a good signing that upgrades our secondary.  I don't think he's an all-pro.

    Yes, BB will use him wherever he needs to but the guy's a cornerback. If he plays safety here then it will be a first.

     
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    Re: Is Browner good or are we all expecting too much?

    In response to wozzy's comment:

    Browner is a corner in name only, if he played ten years ago when Randy Moss was considered a really big WR then he would be called what he actually is, a strong safety.  I have plenty of questions about Browner, the first of which is can he stay healthy and productive at SS for a full season.  He hasn't proven anything yet.  Revis and Dennard will be the starting corners if healthy, Ryan is probably next in line to start on the edge.  Browner is only a "corner" when a 6'5" 230 pound or bigger receiver is across the line, otherwise he is a SS.

    While I'm dispelling myths lets do away with another, Logan Ryan is a corner not a safety.  Devin McCourty is up for a new contract, BB leaking that Ryan might play some safety is a negotiating ploy.  Can he play some free safety, yes, but every player in the entire defensive backfield has the potential to play safety, not every player can play corner.




    Good Post! Ive also said the same thing about browner since his signing. He is here to play safety so the coverage issues dont really concern me. This is not the 1st time BB has taken a guy who was a CB in Carrol's system and converted him to safety. *Tebucky Jones comes to mind and he was never a real fundamental guy back there but his speed/athleticism along with BB putting him in position, he was successful for the most part. 

    Chung will battle with Browner for the starting SS spot and in certain looks, BB will have all 3(Dmac, Chung, Browner) on the field.

     

     
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    Re: Is Browner good or are we all expecting too much?

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    Browner's  a corner; can't find any reference anywhere that has him play safety since he's been in the NFL.  He's a big corner who relies on physical play to disrupt receivers' routes.  I think he's a good signing that upgrades our secondary.  I don't think he's an all-pro.


    Yes, BB will use him wherever he needs to but the guy's a cornerback. If he plays safety here then it will be a first.




    We've done this dance before, but another thing I might add to this debate that Browner is not young any more either, he played 4 seasons in Canada (2007-2010) before playing 3 with the Seahawks.  


    Even if we say he is a corner, he would be the first tall, not very fast (4.6 forty when he was young), average mobility, 30+ year old corner ever.  


    He can't run forever, but if he can play zone, endure the rigors at one of the NFL's highest impact positions, tackle in space, intimidate (as much as the NFL still allows) and not fail drug tests than we may have a safety.


    Otherwise we'll have another Tebucky Jones like Triple referenced above.  A big special teams player and situational role player but he won't be a starter at CB.  


    If he can play strong safety than you might have a starter there, I guess you could say I was projecting upward, call me a homer.

     
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    Re: Is Browner good or are we all expecting too much?

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    Browner's  a corner; can't find any reference anywhere that has him play safety since he's been in the NFL.  He's a big corner who relies on physical play to disrupt receivers' routes.  I think he's a good signing that upgrades our secondary.  I don't think he's an all-pro.


    Yes, BB will use him wherever he needs to but the guy's a cornerback. If he plays safety here then it will be a first.




    We've done this dance before, but another thing I might add to this debate that Browner is not young any more either, he played 4 seasons in Canada (2007-2010) before playing 3 with the Seahawks.  


     


     


    Even if we say he is a corner, he would be the first tall, not very fast (4.6 forty when he was young), average mobility, 30+ year old corner ever.  


     


    He can't run forever, but if he can play zone, endure the rigors at one of the NFL's highest impact positions, tackle in space, intimidate (as much as the NFL still allows) and not fail drug tests than we may have a safety.


     


    Otherwise we'll have another Tebucky Jones like Triple referenced above.  A big special teams player and situational role player but he won't be a starter at CB.  


     


    If he can play strong safety than you might have a starter there, I guess you could say I was projecting upward, call me a homer.




    We have indeed, sir, done this dance before.  And I'm projecting upward as well.  Time will tell.  I guess the matter will boil down to how much he plays at either position.  I do agree, though, that his size is ideal for the SS position.  And clearly you didn't get the memo - I'm a bigger homer than you.

     
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    Re: Is Browner good or are we all expecting too much?

    He is good.  Of course we are expecting too much.  It's the offseason.

     
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    Re: Is Browner good or are we all expecting too much?

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    He is good.  Of course we are expecting too much.  It's the offseason.



    Yes, and I'm 100% certain we can numerous articles that contradict what the article quoted in the OP says.  

     
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    When Browner played against us in Seattle a couple of years ago, he played good. Hits hard for a CB, and supports the run big time. The guy who got burnt a lot in that game a lot was Chancellor, but a Rookie then.

    Game that still haunts me.

     
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    Re: Is Browner good or are we all expecting too much?

    In response to Uncle Rico's comment:

    I'm a regular on that forum, I know of a few people who post both here and there and have done so for a long time.  I have promoted the patsfans site here many times.  Did you hear about that site from me mentioning it here? 

    I noticed you posting there recently and have watched you bring over some topics from there to here also.  I don't understand where I stole your comment.  I posted an article that you happen to have provided in the discussion on Monday but I didn't steal your comment.  I haven't made a comment.  This topic just happens to be a very interesting topic over there that has yet to be mentioned here.  I am surprised you didn't bring it over here yet.  I don't know much about Browner, saving my comments about him until I get the time to watch video of him on NFL rewind. I know he is a big physical player but that's about it.  The topic is getting good feedback there, interested in what people here think.  As a side note, It's very interesting to compare peoples opinions there to here.  Funny to watch some people who think they know a lot here really don't when you compare the two forums.  Russy be one of those people.



    No I didn't get into that forum from seeing it from you, but I have seen you promote which is good because the forum over there is solid. Its really big and a lot going on.

    I'm not like mad that you took the source I was just saying, being observant. The only reason I even put that link up over there was because I knew Browner had some problems last year and that Andy Johnson guy didn't believe me so I had to find proof.

    But, I agree I like to check both boards just to get a wider array of opinions on things and see what other fans think. And its also good to bring topics from there to here that have yet to be discussed like you said. I'm not on that forum as much because its so big and I like this one better because its smaller and entertaining.

    Check out my Pats/Sports Blog: http://joepatsfan.blogspot.com/

     

     
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    Re: Is Browner good or are we all expecting too much?

    Well I hope he is what I hope he will be...a big corner who can play man and give our pass rush time to get to the quarterback. I'd hate to see him turn into a glorified Kyle Arrington - a limited guy - who we always have to make excuses for every time he ventures 10 feet out of his comfort zone. When I run out of toilet paper, I always tell my wife I'm going out to get some more Arrington paper...it fits.

     
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    Re: Is Browner good or are we all expecting too much?

    In response to DougIrwin's comment:

    I love how no matter which good, experienced FA BB brings in on D, somehow, some way, there is this problem with it.

    On defense only, though.

    Note how Brady does not play on D.

    Not a coincidence. These are all built in excuses in case Brady soils his panties in the AFC Title game for the 5th time in a row.



    I haven't seen anyone complain about the Revis signing or say something negative about him but you, claiming he's overrated

    It's just a fact that Browner, while a very good physical CB, has his limitations as does anyone. He struggles with the smaller quicker WRs and can play with any big WR in the league.

    God forbid we talk about a weakness in a player other than Brady.

     

     
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