Re: Is the elephant in the room . . .
posted at 12/17/2012 11:16 PM EST
In response to UD6's comment:
Oh, doggy, did u think I just made them up? (sorry not rusty) PFF Premium Statistics is the source.
Another interesting stat is that TB is nearly 20% more accurate when throwing in under 2.5 seconds as apposed to over 2.5.
Another interesting stat is that Luck has the 3.39 sec to sack and TB has 3.26 sec to sack which indicates the clots O-line holds slightly longer. Also Luck holds onto the ball the 3rd longest of QB at a rate of 59.3% of throws held longer than 2.5 secs. Only 40% of TB's are over 2.5.
The quicker the QB gets rid of the ball, the easier it is for the O-line. It does not mean the o-line is good, it just means their job is easier.
The problem arises when the QB cannot get rid of the ball quickly because every one is covered while the D only sending 3 or 4, is breathing down his neck.
In that case TB can't cover up any defeciencies, which is why the o-line fails.
Luckily not all teams can do this but it seems more and more can as teams strive to achieve that elite front 4. It helps to have a GRONK.
Not at all Pezz, you just didn't say where they came from.
As for the stats -
1. the stats I've seen are older. Couldn't find any for this year and I am not really sure they really tell how long a QB holds the ball or whether or not the QB is pressured. For example, the seconds to sack can be misleading, particularly in Luck and Brady's case. Luck has had to move alot this year due to poor protection. Still the d is frequently able to chase him down. On the ohter hand, Brady barely moves except for small slides. When he gets sacked is because of a true breakdown which is rare.
2. further the stat says nothing about the long times holding the ball when a sack doesn't occur. As I watched, I thought Brady had a ton of time to throw the ball last night with the exception of the last two series. most of his throws, however, were quick throws - probably under 10 yds.
3. As for your comment about accuracy on quick throws, seems to me that has to do more with quick short throws vs. longer throws. Not interesting at all, imo. Its what I would expect.
Regardless, it has been my observation that Brady typically has more time to throw without pressure than the colts qb's or most qbs I've watched.
The stats are calculated as followed and are updated 36 hours after the completion of the last game weekly;
The best place to start is which quarterback has the longest time to throw. Now to explain what âÂÂÂÂtime to throwâÂÂÂÂ is, we record the time from when the ball is snapped to the point where the quarterback has either thrown a pass or can no longer throw a pass (has been sacked or has scrambled past the line of scrimmage). While logic would say that Michael Vick would be the one holding onto the ball the longest, itâÂÂÂÂs actually rookie Russell Wilson who leads the way in this regard with Vick second (though the difference is negligible). Meanwhile, nobody takes less time to throw than Tom Brady who has a marginally lower mark than Matt Hasselbeck.
The second link, I believe, is the one you cite. The second table more closely aligns to my thinking. Brady has time to throw.
He is ranked 16th with time to throw , middle of the pack, but Luck has more, so your premise that TB would quit FB if he had that O-line, doesn't hold water. In fact with the quickest throw of all NFL qb's, he would make that Colt's line appear better.
Also TB is 5th in throws over 20, so there not all dink and dunk. His accuracy does suffer though which is to be expected as all QB's do, but he's still getting them out faster than any one.