Is there an explanation for this madness?

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    Re: Is there an explanation for this madness?

    1st pick Solder makes sense and fills a need.

    I really wanted to see a DE/OLB used for the second pick but the more I think about it the better I like trading away the second 1st round pick and this why:

    You can do two things with that first round pick, first off you can use it and draft 1st round talent.  Secondly you can trade it for a future 1st and a current 2nd round (which they did this year)  The Brilliance with this strategy is if you want, that ONE pick can translate into an additional second round pick forever if you'd like.  So what do you think has more value to the franchise; a first round pick? or an additional second round pick every year moving forward?  I'll take infinite second round over 1 1st round. 

    Teams think about every year and fans can get stuck thinking about next year, still though it does hurt to see the pass rusher need go un-addressed.  While I agree with drafting for value and not need, why not trade up in the second or third round to were value and need fit each other? that is my only gripe with this draft.  Don't see them paying big money to bring in a FA to fill that need, but maybe this is the year.  Who is in the FA market that could be a good fit anyways???
     
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    Clarkey, on't let the facts get in the way of your argument.
      
    Patriots tendered restricted free agent BenJarvus Green-Ellis at the second-round level.
    BGE was originally undrafted, so the Pats had to at least give him the second-round tender in order to ensure he'd be back. As a three-year veteran, "Law Firm" is a legitimate restricted free agent with a real tender. The tag is expected to be worth roughly $2 million, and will be good for one year.Mar 2, 5:12 PM


    It's really annoying how people are overreacting to this.

    And Patseng, I say this with all due respect: STOP WHINING. 2009 was a bad draft? Please. Chung, Vollmer, Brace (he's not a bust, he was a starting DE!), Tate, Pryor, and Edelman is a very good draft. After Pioli left the past two drafts have been great. How was the Jets draft in 09? In redrafts Vollmer is a top 5 pick! 

    Acting like you know better than the pats staff (it's not just belichick) with 1/10th of the info is just obnoxious. 

    Patriots tendered restricted free agent BenJarvus Green-Ellis at the second-round level.
    BGE was originally undrafted, so the Pats had to at least give him the second-round tender in order to ensure he'd be back. As a three-year veteran, "Law Firm" is a legitimate restricted free agent with a real tender. The tag is expected to be worth roughly $2 million, and will be good for one year.Mar 2, 5:12 PM


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    1. BGE is not coming back, and Is a 2 dimensional back  we cant have woodhead taking the load off of BGE like he was last year.  Vereen is the new faulk and RIdley is a monster, just wait you have no idea this guy is like a michael turner type dude looks like a fullback with breakaway speed and cut ability.  I like BGE but hes only 2dimensional. 2. There is SO many RECIEVERS coming out on FREE AGENCY we can go after heres just a list: http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/wr.html 3.  Same goes for DE, its easier to splash in FA once or twice while develop your young talent with late round picks... havent you learned from BB over the years?
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    3. As for soft on D: really? reaLLY?? Wilfork. Ty Warren. Pryor. Brace. Spikes. Mayo. Chung. Merriweather (you dont have to like him but he is not what other teams call soft). Bodden. McCourty. (these are DBs that will make a tackle. Lots of the Cromarties and such look for the water boy when the ball is being hauled their way). No. not soft. You can say they had injuries. You can say they have flaws such as pass rush which is critical. But soft? Give me a break. How did the Steelers and Ravens fair against this so called soft team last year. THose are the two toughest teams they faced last year. The Pats played tough and won those tough games against those two teams.
    Posted by portfolio1


    Yes.  Soft.  That defense doesn't apply any pressure on the opposing team and that showed when they played the better teams.  It was in its most extreme form vs Green Bay late in the season and in the playoffs.

    They are a soft defense.  Every opponent knows:  these guys don't come after you at all.  They don't pressure the QB and they aren't big hitters. 

    Every team knows they have a chance to score points.

    Solder seems like a nice pick.  28 should have been a pass rusher or if you want a RB take ingram. 

    Bottom line: 4 of the first 6 picks should have been front 7 guys. 
     
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    Incorrect. Here's a list of players who have significantly outplayed their draft position since 2009:

    Vollmer
    McCourty
    Gronkowski
    Cunningham (compared to the other OLB picks that went above JC...only Dunlap has done anything)
    Hernandez
    Deadrick
    Fletcher (UFA)

    They've also gained solid starters like Chung and Spikes.

    Please take a chill pill and gain some perspective!



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    In Response to Re: Is there an explanation for this madness? : I hate when people point out McCourty because he is the exception not the rule. Look at the last 5 drafts from 06-10. With the exception of 10 we've had really bad drafts year after year. 06 Ghost was the only one to survive, 07 it was Meri, 08 was Mayo, and 09 only Vollmer and Chung aren't JAGs in a draft we made 12 picks. Face it last year was the abnormality and having a ton of picks has not helped us one bit compared to even the Jets who have had much less picks but just as many non-Jag players as we have had over the last 5 years
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    What if BB didn't love the front 7 guys? What if he thought Cunningham would improve and Ninkovich was a decent starter? What if he expects the Wright and Pryor to be healthy next year (they were out against the jets)? 



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    In Response to Re: Is there an explanation for this madness? : Yes.  Soft.  That defense doesn't apply any pressure on the opposing team and that showed when they played the better teams.  It was in its most extreme form vs Green Bay late in the season and in the playoffs. They are a soft defense.  Every opponent knows:  these guys don't come after you at all.  They don't pressure the QB and they aren't big hitters.  Every team knows they have a chance to score points. Solder seems like a nice pick.  28 should have been a pass rusher or if you want a RB take ingram.  Bottom line: 4 of the first 6 picks should have been front 7 guys. 
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    Is there an explanation for this madness?  Short answer, Bill Belichick is smarter than you.

    The #1 tackle and the #1 QB in the draft plus a free 2nd round pick along with a #1 in the next draft... you'd think we just traded away Brady for a 4th?

    Boy I thought posters here were emotional and clueless prior to the draft, post draft confirms it.

    We didn't lose the last few seasons because we lacked talent...
     
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    I feel like Bill believes in Jermaine Cunningham. I think he has great potential as well. A lot of prospects need to mature and grow into their position. I think Bill thought that no one available at his spot was worth taking over some of the guys that they already had on the roster. Ninkovich is also pretty decent. Plus CB position is stacked, if our secondary can cover long enough then pass ruch will look better. I like the draft so far, the only pick I criticize is the Ridley pick at RB. I suppose Morris,Faulk, and Taylor are long gone. This gives us for guys and loads the backfield but i felt the guy could have been had in the 5th round. Despite this we still have next year to draft pass rushers. A theory I have is that maybe the Pats use one of those aquired picks whether it be a first or second rounder to trade for a player once free agency begins. As there are no player trades allowed during the draft this year.
     
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    did you not watch last year's games? our D was awesome ! opposing QBs were scrambling all over the field! we had the best pass rush in the NFL. So, why do you think we would draft another pass rush specialist?  we don't need no stinking pass rush! all we need are CBs and RBs....and ofcourse we need to add more picks for next year......so we could draft even more CBs and RBs...and trade for the following year !!!
    Posted by PatFanInBA2


    I pray that you're kidding right?
     
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    patriots did hang with the best last year, they just have to worried about the jets thats the only team that same to know them....
     
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    Guys please come off the ledge....

    First lets be honest here Last year was just a bad year for the Patriots.  I mean realy they only went 14-2.  Maybe they could have done something with if Ty Warren and Leigh Bodden were not on IR, or if Ron Brace, Mike Wright or Myron Pryor were active during the playoff game with the JETS.  

    Wait a minute....arn't Ron Brace, Mike Wright & Myron Pryor D Linemen???? And did't the PATs pick up another D-Lineman, what his name...I know he's an OK player...Marcus Stroud.

    Could it possible be that BB is thinking that maybe the PATS can get by another year with the current roster of D linemen, while we let our 2009 and 2010 draft class develop and maybe pickup another player or two in free agency??  Yes we can always get better players at any position but with the CAP we have to make hard decisions as to where we are going to spend that money.  And yes there will be a salary cap in the future.  I whole heartly believe that good players will get cut this year, that older skilled players who haven't had the opportunity to get a SB ring will be available eventually and that BB will pickup for relatively cheap $$$$.  I know this seems far fetched but who did the PATS pickup last year??? Gerard Warren...How did that work out??

    Lets face it we HAD to do something about the RB situation. Yes we could have gotten Ingram but it would have cost us a 1st in 2012 and a 2nd in 2011 (yes you have to consider the opportunity lost cost when evaluating the options).  And if we got him how much would it have cost us???? Like it or not we are a passing team.  We use the pass to set up the run.  How many RB did we have on our roster last year 5/6??? And what if Ingrim didn't pan out.  I read draft articles which said there were no true #1 RB in the 2011 class.  Did everyone like Maroney???  Did you want BB to go down that road again???  Instead he fill a need with two RB that have different styles.  (kinda reminds me of last years draft where he draft 2 TE.  How did that work out???  I thought they did a passable job at TE last year

    I also want to point out that TB isn't getting any younger.  If Nate Solder is the real deal, he can protect TB and be the PATS LT for the next 5 to 10 years.  As for Mallett, trust in BB.  Hes been looking to TB's successor for a number of year now and will not stop looking until he finds him.  Yes hes going to make mistakes but isn't it better to make a mistake in the third round (Kevin O'connell) than to make a mistake in the 1st ( Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, Alex Smith and the list goes on).

    Did the draft goes as I thought it would.  No I wanted the PATs to trade their 17th and 28th pick for the #6 pick and have  Dareus or Farley.  But then again I'm a fan and not a personnel guy.



     

      As for the RB position,

     
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    "Guess BB knows something I dont." 

    And on that point we are agreed. 

    Fact is we don't know what a good draft is for at least a year and usually two or three. Fact is that the last couple BB drafts have been very good (after a couple of so-so drafts at best). Fact is that we don't yet know if we're going to have an NFL season and if we do, we don't have to finalize the roster for some time.

    No one handed out rings yesterday. Pull yourself together. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Is there an explanation for this madness? : It seems logical except when you actually look at it the Jets and Pats have traded for about equal quality players over that period. Then looking at the actually position of the picks the Jets did have a couple higher picks but the Pats by far had the volume and ammo to move up to have the same value in picks that the Jets have had. The main difference is that the Jets have made efforts to move up and target impact players (which hasn't always worked out) but the Pats moving back acquiring more picks has also resulted in a number of bust picks. The big difference is that the Jets have had more impact pro-bowl players during those years then the Pats. Whe said and done I believe the only reason the Pats are better then the Jets right now is because of coachingand Brady. Without BB and Brady do you honestly see this team as anything better then a Was or Stl?
    Posted by PatsEng


    The comment "without BB or Brady" is a completely meaningless thing. No team is good without a good coaching staff and no team is truly great without a superior coaching staff and no coaching is any good without a good head coach.

    As for the Brady part of it... how good is any team without their most valuable player? Especially if that player is a QB?
     
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    did you not watch last year's games? our D was awesome ! opposing QBs were scrambling all over the field! we had the best pass rush in the NFL. So, why do you think we would draft another pass rush specialist?  we don't need no stinking pass rush! all we need are CBs and RBs....and ofcourse we need to add more picks for next year......so we could draft even more CBs and RBs...and trade for the following year !!!
    Posted by PatFanInBA2


    Funny! It's so true.
     
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    " Guess BB knows something I dont."  And on that point we are agreed.  Fact is we don't know what a good draft is for at least a year and usually two or three. Fact is that the last couple BB drafts have been very good (after a couple of so-so drafts at best). Fact is that we don't yet know if we're going to have an NFL season and if we do, we don't have to finalize the roster for some time. No one handed out rings yesterday. Pull yourself together. 
    Posted by BostonTrollSpanker


    so so drafts?   horrible drafts.    2009 was ok, 2010 was very good.  6 - 8 horrible, ugh.
     
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    THe Pats had the best record in the NFL last year at 14-2. NO SMALL FEAT.

    The Pats have made the playoffs every year Brady has played since... since some of the readers were still breast feeding. The one year they didnt make it they were 11-5 WITHOUT Brady. ... NO SMALL FEAT.

    The Pats beat the Steelers, the Ravens, the Jets, the SB winning Packers, etc, etc... NO SMALL FEAT.

    They disappointed in the playoffs. OK. They fell. A disappointment. But they are CLEARLY the top teamn in their division and one of the top 3 teams in the conference and one of the top 6 teams in the league. They are definite SB contenders.

    This all didnt just happen out of nowhere. And it didnt happen for 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 years. BB has had the MOST success in buildig teams in the past 10 years. 20 years maybe. Maybe even longer. For longevity the 49ers of the 80s and 90s had two head coaches so the timeframe is not so different.

    And what in the world is anyone talking about the Jets for? Division rivals yes. But does anyone, other than the Jets players and coaches, actually believe the Jets are better than the Pats? The Pats were better last year (14-2 v 10-6 andf a number of lucky endings allowed the Jets to end up tripping into the playoffs). The Pats are getting better on O with several very good, solid, helpful picks. They are getting better on D with a new talented CB and most importantly the experience of a whole lot of young players just learning the system last year. PLayers on the DL, at inside LB, at OLB, at CB, at S. Across the board. Playmakers like Chung, McCourty, Spikes, Cunningham, Brace. And they are getting back their best DE (Ty Warren), their best pass rushing DL (Wright) and their best CB (Bodden). ALLLLLLL THIS IS A BIG DEAL.

    As for the Jests: aging and hurting ORT (Woody), aging and slowing down of RB (LT), 3, that is THREE, FA WRs - they will lose at least one. And just for perspective how well do you think their QB is respected when he is sleeping with a 17 year old?

    On their D, they have 2 very key players becoming FAs (Cromartie and Harris). They drafted 2 DL. Their pass rush, espcially from their OLB in their 3-4 are not all that great. Remember Ryan actually gave Golston 2 years under Ryan's coaching to become even just a presentable DE or OLB or situation pass rusher. They have been that mediocre to have tried so many times with the Jamarcus Russell of front 7s.

    So the Jests O is getting worse. They are HOPING they can tred water with their D but can they if they lose either of those FAs?

    Granted they have to go out and play the games. All we have at the moment is what is on paper and things change, and there are injuries (and eventually FA too) and some people surpirse for the better or worse. But on paper the Pats came in with a really exceptional roster and are actually improving. The Jests come in with a decent roster and look like they are losing ground.

    14-2 and improving their roster. V 10-6 and losing ground.

    The Pats are doing a good job. Not perfect. But good. Very good.

     
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    HOW LONG can you you use that excuse.

    He said that in 2007, there was plenty of talen in 2007 draft.  Then all the yahoos parrott his line.  So we got Moss and Welker and blew the draft. This is ridiculous.

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    I'll defend Bill, he'll tell you there was no one that he felt fit his system worth picking yet for a pass rusher. One of 2 things will happen. 1. He will pick a player yet that he will mold to his system 2. He will wait for free agency
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    THe Pats had the best record in the NFL last year at 14-2. NO SMALL FEAT. The Pats have made the playoffs every year Brady has played since... since some of the readers were still breast feeding. The one year they didnt make it they were 11-5 WITHOUT Brady. ... NO SMALL FEAT. The Pats beat the Steelers, the Ravens, the Jets, the SB winning Packers, etc, etc... NO SMALL FEAT. They disappointed in the playoffs. OK. They fell. A disappointment. But they are CLEARLY the top teamn in their division and one of the top 3 teams in the conference and one of the top 6 teams in the league. They are definite SB contenders. This all didnt just happen out of nowhere. And it didnt happen for 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 years. BB has had the MOST success in buildig teams in the past 10 years. 20 years maybe. Maybe even longer. For longevity the 49ers of the 80s and 90s had two head coaches so the timeframe is not so different. And what in the world is anyone talking about the Jets for? Division rivals yes. But does anyone, other than the Jets players and coaches, actually believe the Jets are better than the Pats? The Pats were better last year (14-2 v 10-6 andf a number of lucky endings allowed the Jets to end up tripping into the playoffs). The Pats are getting better on O with several very good, solid, helpful picks. They are getting better on D with a new talented CB and most importantly the experience of a whole lot of young players just learning the system last year. PLayers on the DL, at inside LB, at OLB, at CB, at S. Across the board. Playmakers like Chung, McCourty, Spikes, Cunningham, Brace. And they are getting back their best DE (Ty Warren), their best pass rushing DL (Wright) and their best CB (Bodden). ALLLLLLL THIS IS A BIG DEAL. As for the Jests: aging and hurting ORT (Woody), aging and slowing down of RB (LT), 3, that is THREE, FA WRs - they will lose at least one. And just for perspective how well do you think their QB is respected when he is sleeping with a 17 year old? On their D, they have 2 very key players becoming FAs (Cromartie and Harris). They drafter 2 DL. Their pass rush, espcially from their OLB in their 3-4 are not all that great. Remember Ryan actually gave Golston 2 years under Ryan's coaching to become even just a presentable DE or OLB or situation pass rusher. They have been that mediocre to have tried so many times with the Jamarcus Russell of front 7s. So the Jests O is getting worse. They are HOPING they can tred water with their D but can they if they lose either of those FAs? Granted they have to go out and play the games. All we have at the moment is what is on paper and things change, and there are injuries (and eventually FA too) and some people surpirse for the better or worse. But on paper the Pats came in with a really exceptional roster and are actually improving. The Jests come in with a decent roster and look like they are losing ground. 14-2 and improving their roster. V 10-6 and losing ground. The Pats are doing a good job. Not perfect. But good. Very good.
    Posted by portfolio1


    If they were a top 3 team, they wouldn't lose in the first round of the 2010 and 2009 playoffs.  Enuf said.
     
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    Precisely.

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    In Response to Re: Is there an explanation for this madness? : Sorry man but the D was the biggest weakness last year and the OL is falling apart now. They didn't address any of those needs much like after 08 when people were crying for pass rush and 09 when people were crying for pass rush and after 10 when people were crying for pass rush. Solder is a solid pick and so is Vereen Ras has more missed games since HS then gams he's played. We only dress 3 RB's a game are you telling me Ridley will take Woodhead, BGE, or Vereens spot? Mallett might not even see a snap in the league if he can't grow up and get his act together. Face it, you take the 2010 draft out and the Pats haven't had a good draft from 06-09. The Jets trading up have had better drafts then us over the last 5 years. This is disturbing
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    In Response to Re: Is there an explanation for this madness? : If they were a top 3 team, they wouldn't lose in the first round of the 2010 and 2009 playoffs.  Enuf said.
    Posted by Benkarkis


    Losing in the playoffs happens. It is a disappointment but it happens. There have been some very very good times over the decades that have had some trouble in the playoffs. If they had never gone deep into the playoffs we might be thinking - and saying - BB just cant get it done except in the regular season. But that is not the case.

    So... why do I say they are a top 3 team on the confrence:

    1. they had the BEST record in the league (not just the conference) & did it with the TOUGHEST schedule not just of last year but of the last several years

    2. They had one of the youngest Ds in the entire league and if there is a system that requires experience to excel in it is BBs defense

    3. They beat essentially every good team in the league last year!!! Yes, you are absolutely right they lost the BIGGEST game of the year. Yes. True. But one game doesnt suddenly turn them into a 500 team or lessen their chances to win in 2011. If anything it adds incentive to a team much younger than we have been used to.

    4. What "experts" think the Pats are not one of the top teams in the conference and the league at this point?

    5. And so who is better? We lost to the Ravens in the playoff game 2 years ago. We beat them last year. Losing to them in the 2009 season playoff game didnt make the Pats a worse team than the Ravens in 2010. SO who is better... NO ONE I CAN SEE. Who is in the conversation: (a) Steelers, (b) Ravens. Someone could say Chargers and I wont argue. BUT THEY DIDNT EVEN make the playoffs. So are you going to say the Chargers? Someone might say the Jests. They beat us in the playoffs (like the Ravens did and the Pats beat them last year and had a better record than them last year). But they were a 10-6 team that needed a whole lotta luck in not 1, not 2 but 3.. or was it 4, games last year. They could truly have been 7-9 or 8-8 if not for last second mistsakes by some opponents. And the Jests look like they are getting worse. So someone might bring them up and I can understand why. But seriously... the lucky to be 10-6 and stumbling roster Jests? REAlly? really? reallLLY?

    So who. Who do you think pushes the Pats out of the top tier of teams in the AFC? Or the league for that matter...
     
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    In Response to Re: Is there an explanation for this madness? : Thats what also was said about Clay Mathews, "he doesnt fit BB system".  How did that work out for us?  We missed on Jordan and Hayward this year. You don't think  Sean Peyton and Dick Lebeau know a thing or two about Linebackers?  Clay  Mathews didn't fit into BB system when everyone was begging him to take the guy. So Ron Brace and Darius Butler fit into his system right?  Hilarious if you think about it.  Pats have had the worst draft in 2011 without a doube, especially when you consider the high expectations with all the high draft picks.  
    Posted by Spetznaz24


    I'm so glad you brought this up because I was getting killed on the draft forum for questioning this non-sense of draft... this BB kiss a-ss need to go and learn something about football....keep  up the good work Bro!!
     
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    Did anyone watch the Pats vs. Packers?  I don't think Mathews made a tackle the whole game (clearly didn't do anything of any impact).  The Pats totally dominated him.  Mathews has had his moments, but it seems he can be marginalized. 
     
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    Look they adressed one of 2 weaknesses to win playoff games; running. Pass rush, correct, they failed. I think they tried to move up for DL/Olb but Bufaloe or some other team beat them to their target. Also, top notch corner backs are needed to help the rush so the team can blitz more in man, zone or hybrid coverges (a la the Jets). One thing about Rex Ryan, he's a great defensive shcemer and BB is smart enough to be copying some of that.
     
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    The "whining" here is justified. Tom Brady and VW should be pizzed off. Tom has 3 years left and they are being pizzed away by stockpiling drafts like some kind of miser ... cripes Atlanta is trying to win NOW with a 26 year old QB and Pats are focused on the future with a 35 year old QB ... Poor old VW has been left to fend for himself AGAIN for 2011 - he's probably praying th elockout does not get resolved this year ... his career is going ot be shortened by 5 years having to cover every position on the D-Line due to lack of depth and talent. R1 28 ... Why not Heyward? Wilkerson? 2012 New Orleans pick? Big deal. 2nd R - They coud have gotten Vereen in the 3rd R, no problem.  The pass rushgers were still there Sheard, Reed, Houston The 3rd Round? Pizzed away. Cripes of the present Defense personnel is so good, why not an O Guard? Boling, Rackley, Moffit????? R3 I can live with Mallet (well not really ...) But Ridley??? He was rated the 26 RB ....26th!!!!! Solder probably had a better 40 than him ... He would have been an UDFA. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Clearly 2010 was the anomaly .... Another year of TBC and no-name DE's getting run over by the f'n Jests.
    Posted by CanadianPat


    I agree. Clearly this draft didn't unfold the way they had planned and were left reaching/scrambling when their pick was up. I think what killed them is when they traded back and thought their guy or guys would still be there and they weren't...of course any move or selection was lauded by the draft experts. When you go 14-2 you get a lot of slack, but take away Tom and we're 8-8...wonder how smart they'd look during the draft then?
     
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    In Response to Re: Is there an explanation for this madness? : Losing in the playoffs happens. It is a disappointment but it happens. There have been some very very good times over the decades that have had some trouble in the playoffs. If they had never gone deep into the playoffs we might be thinking - and saying - BB just cant get it done except in the regular season. But that is not the case. So... why do I say they are a top 3 team on the confrence: 1. they had the BEST record in the league (not just the conference) & did it with the TOUGHEST schedule not just of last year but of the last several years 2. They had one of the youngest Ds in the entire league and if there is a system that requires experience to excel in it is BBs defense 3. They beat essentially every good team in the league last year!!! Yes, you are absolutely right they lost the BIGGEST game of the year. Yes. True. But one game doesnt suddenly turn them into a 500 team or lessen their chances to win in 2011. If anything it adds incentive to a team much younger than we have been used to. 4. What "experts" think the Pats are not one of the top teams in the conference and the league at this point? 5. And so who is better? We lost to the Ravens in the playoff game 2 years ago. We beat them last year. Losing to them in the 2009 season playoff game didnt make the Pats a worse team than the Ravens in 2010. SO who is better... NO ONE I CAN SEE. Who is in the conversation: (a) Steelers, (b) Ravens. Someone could say Chargers and I wont argue. BUT THEY DIDNT EVEN make the playoffs. So are you going to say the Chargers? Someone might say the Jests. They beat us in the playoffs (like the Ravens did and the Pats beat them last year and had a better record than them last year). But they were a 10-6 team that needed a whole lotta luck in not 1, not 2 but 3.. or was it 4, games last year. They could truly have been 7-9 or 8-8 if not for last second mistsakes by some opponents. And the Jests look like they are getting worse. So someone might bring them up and I can understand why. But seriously... the lucky to be 10-6 and stumbling roster Jests? REAlly? really? reallLLY? So who. Who do you think pushes the Pats out of the top tier of teams in the AFC? Or the league for that matter...
    Posted by portfolio1

    I think we're a top team for one reason only...Tom Brady. We are winning in spite of our lack luster drafts and poor decisions and lack of agressiveness during free agency. If this guy has even the slightest bad game we lose. You give him a defense and we don't get punched in the mouth in the playoffs at home...at home!! I've been saying this for four years; I don't care about the regular season, when things matter (playoffs) we are not built to play with the tough guys of the league. The QB's on other teams have nothing to worry about, the running backs know they will have a decent game and god forbid we fall behind and the other team can play a balanced offensive game. 
     
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    Re: Is there an explanation for this madness?

    in bb itrust for NOW, since he knows hi steam better than me and has the track record. bb has said over and over including yesterday that he LOVES the guys already on the roster and the guys returning from injury injuriesincluding ty and tbc. he just feels that if all the other young guys perform and maturely progress fromlast year as expected that the defensive deficiencies should be negated. also he is clearly prioritizing upgrades at running back and even the offensive line OVER the pass rush. it is what he is , thats y he is the GM as well as the coach. if it backfires, lets roast the heck outta him, but give him a shot. grasp it from his rose-colored glasses.
     
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