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BB The so called genuis hasn't won anything in what is it now 10 years?!
maybe it's time to bring in a few more coaches or maybe a few more cameramen to illegally film,cheat,other teams.
The "genuis"hasn't won anything since those cold dark days of the pats organization.
Anyone trying to demean BB's incredible NFL resume based on the witch hunt known as Spygate is a moron. And Leon, we know you are. BB wasn't doing anything different than any other NFL coach at the time. This is a well known fact based on corroboration from former NFL coaches that include Parcells, to Bud Grant, Chuck Knox, Jimmy Johnson, etc.
Goodell listened to GMs, oweres or coaches when he was brought in, those jealous people wanting to get by NE though the rule could be seen differently, knew BB liked to cross the Ts and dot the Is as much as any coch in the league, and thought by changing how the rule as applied, it might take a bullett out of BB's chamber. In fact, the theory that Goodell felt NE was so good, so efficient as an organization and felt punishing them was a good way to level the playing field and make the league stronger, makes a TON of sense. He wins on both counts. NE becomes a villain organization and more teams become better along the way. The Cardinals and Saints end up in Super Bowls. Hmm.
Clearly, many coaches, didn't see that they were in violation as long as the scouting technology (video or audio) wasn't used in the game THAT DAY. That's the key to all of Spygate.
Miami used audio in 2006, no penalty.
The Jets filmed NE in 2006, no penalty. Why didn't the media make a fuss over that? The Miami story was actually reported one week after the game that December. I remember it clearly. John Clayton actually reported it. No response from the league other than "what Miami did with audio is perfectly legal".
Hmm. Is that because Miami sucked and NE lost? Isn't that interesting because by rule that's technology used for future scouting. Hmm.
Hmm, seemed like the rule wasn't being addressed any differently based on these facts. To pretend that any scouting is the basis of a player or team's success is preposterous anyway. if you believe that, you're not only a moron but you clearly never played sports. If someone filmed my tendencies in a certain situation as a baseball player and studied that, it's not an advantage. I know my weaknesses. They do too. It's up to me to win the mental battle. Period.
The fact Brady and the Pats didn't know Jason Taylor and Miami knew all of Brady's audibles because NE didn't change them from the week before, is Brady and the Pats fault.
Even 3 YEARS after Spygate and the witch hunt, Bill Cowher, one of the most overrated coaches in NFL history (4 home AFC title losses, only 1 SB title under suspicion in 2005) said this:
Bill Cowher: "You know, let me just say this: To answer your question, no, I donâÂÂÂÂÂÂt think so (it was not an advantage just for NE). I just know as a head coach, you are always looking for a competitive edge. We had people out there trying to look at signals. We had guys go to games. They would tape the signal caller and also write it down. They would take it back and match up the signals with the game film and certain defenses with certain plays that were being called, particularly the defenses being called, to see if we could come up with some kind of an alert for a signal. So, what they did with videotaping the signal caller, people do it with the people in the stands!!
These people sitting there in the stands, looking at the signal, writing it down and matching up the 1st and 10 signal. Ok? Then you go back again and the 2nd and 10 and hereâÂÂÂÂÂÂs the signal. You do that for a whole game.
You then go back and match up the defenses with the signal. And you can come up with what the signal was.
So, you don;âÂÂÂÂÂÂt need a video tape with what they were talking about doing. And people were doing it. WE were doing that. Everybody does that. YouâÂÂÂÂÂÂre TRYING to gain a competitive edge. There is nothing wrong with that.
ThatâÂÂÂÂÂÂs why baseball players go through the mirage of signals. TheyâÂÂÂÂÂÂve got all these different codes. ThatâÂÂÂÂÂÂs part of the competitive spirit of the game. I think itâÂÂÂÂÂÂs totally overblown. I think if you get caught (signals compromised), then do what we did and go to wristbands, you are worried about it. We started putting defenses on wristbands. Then you find a way to not get caught (signals compromised). When your good at something and people try steal from ya, I think itâÂÂÂÂÂÂs flattering."
methinks you doth protesteth too much...eth
seriously queenie drop ur conspiracy bs about how all the other "jealous" gms had the rules changed to stop the pats from winning-u sound like a bigger idiot than u usually do
seeing how all those jealous gms changed the rules and went on a witch hunt to stop the packers in the 60's and the 70's steelers and the 80's 9ers and the early 90's cowboys
cant wait to hear this spin
You just proved my point. Historically, teams lobby the commissioner to alter or pay more attention to rules.
The 1978 Chuck Rule was basically targeting the Steelers. The attention Polian wanted with this in 2003, came as a direct result of NE's defense against the Colts in the playoffs.
The Steelers were pretty crappy in the 1980s, huh? Yep, they were. 1978 Chuck Rule certainly hurt how they wanted to play.
It was widely reported that BB is so known for his due dilligence in scouting and really with everything, teams knew that and thought his scouting efficiency with how they prepared for teams in the future, MIGHT be that extra someone like BB didn't need. Hence, the lobbying of Goodell in 2006. You act as if people didn't know how brilliant BB was as a coach. Anything a great coach might be able to use as a benefit even with video scouting is something a jealous GM like a Bill Polian doesn't want moving forward.
We KNOW for a fact that Holmgren and Polian while on the comp committee lobbied for the Chuck Rule to be fully enforced after 2003 when they used footage of their own teams losing in the 2003 playoffs. Polian didn't sit on that comp committee for so long for his health. After losing 4 straight SBs with Buffalo, he was on a mission to gain any edge possible. Yep. If he had to choke a few people, root for injuries, slamming the table with his fist, he was going to do it. These are facts. He choked a Meadowlands official in an elevator and cheered for the Colts to break Flutie's leg in the press box. Classy.
In 2006, Goodell releases a note about the rule itself, where Tagliabue never addressed any infractions of any kind prior to 2006 as commissioner. Hmm. Seems a bit, doesn't it? A reminder about how Goodell sees the rule out of the woodowork as a new commissioner? Why? What's changed? The rule was always there to defend against any video scouting being used in the game THAT DAY. All 32 teams signed on off on future video scouting, coaches waved at each other's cameras and generally, no one saw much benefit from it anyway.
If you read the rule, the word "a" and "the" actually point to the idea that the rule was there just for that; the defend against any technology capturing something to be used THAT DAY in THAT GAME. How is it possible for teams to employ a vide coordinator, watching them film what they film, but soemhow no one knowing it existed? It's not possible, dummy. Everyone knew it was going on.
My above interview with Cowher proves every team did it if they saw fit. What more do you want?
That's why when the witch hunt started, the original claim was that NE raced into the locker room at halftime to use the first half footage to get the signals for the second half. Obviously, it's a comically preposterous claim because a half time is like 12 minutes long. The imagery of what that would entail is hilarious. BB and his coaches swoop into a private room to see the Def Coordinator's signals? LOL!
For morons to claim or believe that is hilarious, but that claim proves the Jets knew they needed to show it was about using the footage IN THE GAME, hence why they wanted to get Estrella as he was walking into the tunnel.
Bottom line is all those claims were untrue and it never added up. NE never used the tapes in the game that day. All the old tapes were edited down, which further corroborates this.
Goodell's job is to grow the league. Tagliabue waas too old, was asked to resign, so he did. Goodell came in and looked for ways to spruce up the league. One way, was to weaken a dominant team like NE. The claims by NY, going public before Goodell could even investigate, was a perfect way to corner Goodell.
His worst nightmare is for another dynasty to unfold in the NFL.
u don't need to defend pats re: spying to me b/c i never bought it or mention it-i am talking ur usual conspiracy nonsense about "everyone" banding together to stop he mighty pats we are all so "jealous" of ie: goodell, the media, the other 31 gms, the networks, santa claus...when will u give it up already? it's embarrassing
as for the 80's steelers it's called getting old and having hall of fame players retire/get released
happens in all sports throughout history-Father Time wins eventually...has zero to do with any silly rule change in 1978...when btw the steelers had about 2 more yrs of greatness left for their aging core