Re: Is this diagram accurate?
posted at 9/26/2013 9:01 AM EDT
In response to Muzwell's comment:
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
I don't think many Pats fans feel entitled. I think many feel great opportunities are being squandered and dread the aftermath where those opportunities will no longer exist.
I think the fans who lack objectivity wrongly see that concern as persons feeling entitled.
I don't think that's quite it. I think the entitlement mentality is what causes fans to be seen as obnoxious, and it's primarily manifest among those who have followed the team for the last 8 or 10 or 12 years. They have no sense of the history of the team, and why should they?
When I started the following the Pats in the early 1970s, I had no appreciation of what happened in the '60s; it didn't mean anything to me, other than stories related to me by my father who went to AFL games in Fenway and Harvard Stadium.
Unless you lived through Clive Rush and Fairbanks and Rod Rust and so on, how could you know what those pre-Kraft/Parcells/BB years were like? You can't, no matter how many times you read or hear about it.
For me, the Kraft years (and that includes back to Parcells) are still a little unreal and I don't take one bit of it for granted. But if you don't know who Hugh Millen is, or how close they came to moving the team to about five different cities, then you only know times when the Patriots mattered, they are relevant.
You only know sellouts and playoffs, so you think that's how the NFL works. They've made it look too easy to win 11 games and remain relevant year after year. So, just like Red Sox fans who came along in the 2000s, you feel entitled. That's human nature.
Muz I like you man but that was one of the most pretentious statements I've read. If you didn't live through 'X' then you can't comment on state 'b'. There are plenty of fans, including myself, who lived through the early 90's and preKraft years who see this team and that they could have won more if not for some foolish moves and not getting proper talent. There are plenty of fans who see the Brady years as once in a lifetime event and don't want it wasted. There are plenty of fans who want better for the team because they know what it's going to look like when Brady is gone and want to maximize every second we have him. If you lived through the preKraft years you should be wanting to squeeze every last oppertunity from this team as possible because you know what's coming. Those who have only known winning are the ones who sit back and say everything is fine because they keep winning. They can't see what's coming so they think everything is fine and the winning ways will continue indefinitly. The rest of us should want to maximize what little time we have left by surrounding the once in a lifetime QB with the best talent available to the team.