Isaac Sopoaga is now a Patriots

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    This guy makes a lot of money hope philly is still on the hook for some of it.

     



    On what planet is 3.5 mill a year "Alot of money"???? This trade is a good one as it fills a position of need and is for relatively cheap compensation and money.

     



    On   my planet 3.5 is alot of money

     

     
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    This guy makes a lot of money hope philly is still on the hook for some of it.

     



    On what planet is 3.5 mill a year "Alot of money"???? This trade is a good one as it fills a position of need and is for relatively cheap compensation and money.

     



    on mine, but in the NFL yeah not a ton but still quite a bit considering he was only a part time player

    however, since we got him for just a hair over $500k not much money at all

     
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    He and Chris Jones ought to make a better duo. But which 2012 draft pick gets axed? Wilson or Bequette?



    Neither. 



    Vollmer is on IR, that's the roster move, no?

     
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    He and Chris Jones ought to make a better duo. But which 2012 draft pick gets axed? Wilson or Bequette?



    Neither. 



    Vollmer is on IR, that's the roster move, no?



    Correct.

     
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    This guy makes a lot of money hope philly is still on the hook for some of it.

     




    We are paying him 529K for the rest of this season.  His next 2 years there is no guaranteed money.  It's fine.

     



    Are you guys serious???? Please read the above^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     
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    It sounds like Philly is stuck for the bonus part of the $12 million, three year contract.  New England can cut this guy after one week if he has some horrible medical problem, and they're out a fifth rounder minus a sixth rounder which is chicken feed.  Otherwise they shall keep paying Soap maybe $60k per week for the rest of the season. 

    Soap was the nose tackle on the Super Bowl champion Niners.  His playing time diminished as the Niners put more pass defense subpackages on the field, and they got somebody younger, Glenn Dorsey.  It sounds like 330 lb Soap can't chase down a quarterback and can't shed blockers, but he can at least hold up the point of attack as a nose tackle.  That's good against run-heavy offenses.  Not much future in a 32 year old, but as long as he's healthy now, let him plug up the middle of the line on running plays.  After 8 games the Patriots are 31st in yardage against the run this year, a statistic that BB probably hates.

    Dorsey will “wow” fans this year, as you will see him make more tackles behind the line of scrimmage than Sopoaga did his previous two seasons. And although “Soap” held the point of attack, he rarely was able to shed blockers and make the initial tackle.

    http://ninerfans.com/new/why-49ers-nt-glenn-dorsey-will-be-better-than-nt-isaac-sopoaga/

     

     
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    Re: Isaac Sopoaga is now a Patriots

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    It sounds like Philly is stuck for the bonus part of the $12 million, three year contract.  New England can cut this guy after one week if he has some horrible medical problem, and they're out a fifth rounder minus a sixth rounder which is chicken feed.  Otherwise they shall keep paying Soap maybe $60k per week for the rest of the season. 

    Soap was the nose tackle on the Super Bowl champion Niners.  His playing time diminished as the Niners put more pass defense subpackages on the field, and they got somebody younger, Glenn Dorsey.  It sounds like 330 lb Soap can't chase down a quarterback and can't shed blockers, but he can at least hold up the point of attack as a nose tackle.  That's good against run-heavy offenses.  Not much future in a 32 year old, but as long as he's healthy now, let him plug up the middle of the line on running plays.  After 8 games the Patriots are 31st in yardage against the run this year, a statistic that BB probably hates.

    Dorsey will “wow” fans this year, as you will see him make more tackles behind the line of scrimmage than Sopoaga did his previous two seasons. And although “Soap” held the point of attack, he rarely was able to shed blockers and make the initial tackle.

    http://ninerfans.com/new/why-49ers-nt-glenn-dorsey-will-be-better-than-nt-isaac-sopoaga/

     

     

    Yup, he has limitations but good signing, fills a role. 
    3rd and 3 or less, 4th and 2 or less he will help take away the 'run it down the gut' option.

    (you mean super bowl runner up 49rs)

     

     
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    This is a good pickup. He two gaps and gets double teamed in the process. 

    Excellent addition.

     
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    Re: Isaac Sopoaga is now a Patriots

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    This is a good pickup. He two gaps and gets double teamed in the process. 

    Excellent addition.




    Why was he available for so little then?

     
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    One consideration too is that the Pats will likely make the playoffs, meaning their 5th round pick will be relatively late. The NFC East is anybody's to take really, but there's a chance the Eagles tank and their 6th round pick is early. Essentially, I expect this means we'll be moving back roughly 15-20 spots or so for him. Not a bad haul if you ask me.

     
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    This is a good pickup. He two gaps and gets double teamed in the process. 

    Excellent addition.




    Why was he available for so little then?



    Technically, the Eagles have already paid for half his salary this year, so with the Pats paying  $529K, the Eagles owe him the re,aining $1.2M and get 2 draft picks.

    With a healthy Kelly, he adds depth and more options.  He's experienced, too.  If the ultimate goal is to help the run D, then he'll be a solid part of that cause.

     
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    I for one am sick of watching our D get ripped on for 6-10 yards up the middle at will.  So to me, this is better than a wide receiver. 

     
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    Re: Isaac Sopoaga is now a Patriots

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    This guy makes a lot of money hope philly is still on the hook for some of it.

     



    On what planet is 3.5 mill a year "Alot of money"???? This trade is a good one as it fills a position of need and is for relatively cheap compensation and money.

     




    Well on the planet Earth I will be an elementary school teacher for 35 years and make like 1.8 million in salary over that entire career.

    So 3.5 million is 'a lot of money';-)

     
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    One consideration too is that the Pats will likely make the playoffs, meaning their 5th round pick will be relatively late. The NFC East is anybody's to take really, but there's a chance the Eagles tank and their 6th round pick is early. Essentially, I expect this means we'll be moving back roughly 15-20 spots or so for him. Not a bad haul if you ask me.



    That's what my guesstimate was for the change in draft positions.  I can't see any downside to this move whatsoever.

     
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    Re: Isaac Sopoaga is now a Patriots

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    This guy makes a lot of money hope philly is still on the hook for some of it.

     



    On what planet is 3.5 mill a year "Alot of money"???? This trade is a good one as it fills a position of need and is for relatively cheap compensation and money.

     



    Well . . . on my planet . . . 

     
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    Re: Isaac Sopoaga is now a Patriots

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    This is a good pickup. He two gaps and gets double teamed in the process. 

    Excellent addition.

     




    Why was he available for so little then?

     



    I think the Eagles were planning to let him go after the season.  They have a good young nose tackle who was getting a good percentage of the snaps (though Sopoaga was still getting the largest number of snaps at NT).  If they cut him at season's end they wouldn't have gotten anythnig for him and would have been stuck paying the $1 million he's apparently guaranteed next year.  Trading him to the Pats means they don't have to pay the guaranteed $1 million next year (Pats are stuck with that), plus it moves them up a round in the draft. There is some dead money the Eagles get stuck with, but they would have gotten stuck with that either way. 

     

     

     
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    Good pickup.  Fills a need.  Run stuffer.  Veteran presence and keep the rookies fresh.  Most rookies hit a wall around game 12.  Hopefully he is able to help with this and get through the playoffs.  Major need on the Patriots was a nose tackle after Wilfork and Mayo went down.  Someone to clog the middle on runs.  Cheap price to pay to hopefully win it all.

     
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    Re: Isaac Sopoaga is now a Patriots

    Good move:

    Part-time player but at short dollars

    The Pats move back slightly in the draft but still have a draft pick

    He fills an immediate need and is quality depth

    He could be here next year at a number that is not unmanageable while VW rehabs his injury

    He is motivated to be on a playoff team

    Am I wrong that only a few years ago this guy was an important piece to a pretty formidable SF defense?  All he needs to do here is to be an effective run stuffer - no one is expecting him to live up to the contract that the Eagles signed him to.     

     
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    Re: Isaac Sopoaga is now a Patriots

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    The arguing in this thread misses the point.  We basically gave up nothing to acquire a guy that will fill a position of need for a little over 500K this season.  Beyond that we owe this guy nothing.  None of his remaining contract is guaranteed.  We can cut him if he sucks.  If he somehow becomes an all-pro he is a bargain at 3.5 for the remaining 2 years and if he is somewhere in between we can restructure him if we really want to keep him.  There is no downside to this deal.




    There you go again making sense - why are you here?

     
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    The arguing in this thread misses the point.  We basically gave up nothing to acquire a guy that will fill a position of need for a little over 500K this season.  Beyond that we owe this guy nothing.  None of his remaining contract is guaranteed.  We can cut him if he sucks.  If he somehow becomes an all-pro he is a bargain at 3.5 for the remaining 2 years and if he is somewhere in between we can restructure him if we really want to keep him.  There is no downside to this deal.




    There you go again making sense - why are you here?




    It is a great deal. When this deal was first announced I read an article that said he had just signed a 3yr 12 million dollar contract with the Eagles this year. I was hoping that the Eagles were on the hook for most of his salary. They are, and all is great. I have no idea why that was misinterpreted.

     
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    On the stats side of things - people are pointing to 18 tackles in 8 games and saying he isn't producing - this of course compares to 'all world' nose tackle Vince who had something like 8 tackles in 4 games. What is missing is that Nose tackles almost never get big stats - their job is to stand their ground while occupying two blockers and let the LBs and DEs make the plays. I think he will be a great addition because he can do just that - do not expect personal stats but do expect better team stats against the run.

     
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    Re: Isaac Sopoaga is now a Patriots

    In response to Getzo's comment:

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    This guy makes a lot of money hope philly is still on the hook for some of it.

     




    We are paying him 529K for the rest of this season.  His next 2 years there is no guaranteed money.  It's fine.

     



    Are you guys serious???? Please read the above^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



    actually, this is not correct...if the PAts cut him after this year, they will incur $1M in dead money on money still owed to him...

    IMO, still a very good deal for the Pats

     
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    This is a motherload of meat to plop into the middle of the D-line. Seems like a good move under the circumstances.

     
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    Yesterday spotrac says if he was cut there is no dead money after this season.  Today it says 1 million, but doesn't explain how.  All of the guaranteed money listed was from this year (the roster bonus at the beginning of the year and his salary this year).  Makes no sense.

     
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    Yesterday spotrac says if he was cut there is no dead money after this season.  Today it says 1 million, but doesn't explain how.  All of the guaranteed money listed was from this year (the roster bonus at the beginning of the year and his salary this year).  Makes no sense.



    actually I had not checked the site yesterday, only saw the $$$'s this morning, which as you can see shows $1M in dead money. has to be in his contract that if he is cut, there is some money owed, what else can it be?

    pretty good site though, correct? updates every day

     
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