Janoris Jenkins to fall out of first round?

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    Janoris Jenkins to fall out of first round?

    http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football/ If Janoris falls out of the first round, would you trade up to get him? Would he be worth the risk to take him in the first?
     
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    no, the Patiots are going to trad out of the first round (both picks).  Doesn't make sence to then trade up
     
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    From what I've read he wasn't really first round talent, or was marginally first round talent with a few CBs rated higher and that doesn't even include his other issues. My point is this isn't exactly like a Pacman Jones, Moss, Owens type of thing where you get a top talent but a bunch of headaches. Not convinced he's a top talent, so I think it's whether he's even worth the second round pick now.
     
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    From what I've read he wasn't really first round talent, or was marginally first round talent with a few CBs rated higher and that doesn't even include his other issues. My point is this isn't exactly like a Pacman Jones, Moss, Owens type of thing where you get a top talent but a bunch of headaches. Not convinced he's a top talent, so I think it's whether he's even worth the second round pick now.
    Posted by shenanigan


    What?
      Jenkins has top 10 talent, the reason he is falling out of the first round is all of his off the field issue.
     
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    In Response to Re: Janoris Jenkins to fall out of first round? : What?   Jenkins has top 10 talent, the reason he is falling out of the first round is all of his off the field issue.
    Posted by ncpatriotfan

     Perhaps you should watch the videos of him during Senior Bowl week including the game and then decide (See You Tube). He got beat a lot in coverage, took bad angles toward the ball and had poor technique at times. Maybe, everyone has a bad week/bad game but Senior Bowl Week is the time to show off for scouts and Jenkins failed to impress. 
     
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    From what I've read he wasn't really first round talent, or was marginally first round talent with a few CBs rated higher and that doesn't even include his other issues. My point is this isn't exactly like a Pacman Jones, Moss, Owens type of thing where you get a top talent but a bunch of headaches. Not convinced he's a top talent, so I think it's whether he's even worth the second round pick now.
    Posted by shenanigan


    actually hes top 10 talent.
    he is a top talent and bb will have to do an up close and personal, but i do not see a pacaman jones in jenkins
     
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    In Response to Re: Janoris Jenkins to fall out of first round? :  Perhaps you should watch the videos of him during Senior Bowl week including the game and then decide (See You Tube). He got beat a lot in coverage, took bad angles toward the ball and had poor technique at times. Maybe, everyone has a bad week/bad game but Senior Bowl Week is the time to show off for scouts and Jenkins failed to impress. 
    Posted by NYC


     i asaw mayock evaluating him there. said he was waiting till after the receiver made their break ie often too long, trying to make a specatcaular play. seems he felt pressure to make a big impression. this may have played a part.

    kid has been a shutdown corner on guys whoo re stars now in the nfl. i dont see a guy "losing" that.
     
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    In Response to Re: Janoris Jenkins to fall out of first round? :  Perhaps you should watch the videos of him during Senior Bowl week including the game and then decide (See You Tube). He got beat a lot in coverage, took bad angles toward the ball and had poor technique at times. Maybe, everyone has a bad week/bad game but Senior Bowl Week is the time to show off for scouts and Jenkins failed to impress. 
    Posted by NYC


    perhaps you could read the evaluations of teh best draft evaluators in football.
    hes a top 10 talent with the best cover ability in this draft.
     
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    In Response to Re: Janoris Jenkins to fall out of first round? : actually hes top 10 talent. he is a top talent and bb will have to do an up close and personal, but i do not see a pacaman jones in jenkins Posted by bredbru
    You're entitled to your opinion but from everything I've read hes rated behind Claiborne, Kirkpatrick and sometiimes Gilmore fairly universally in talent. He may go even further down because of character but while people could throw the term top 10 talent around fairly liberally I can guarantee that if you're the third best CB in college this year you will not be drafted in the top 10. There may be 3 CBs taken in the entire first round, but no way 3 go in the top 10.
     
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    In response to "Re: Janoris Jenkins to fall out of first round?": You're entitled to your opinion but from everything I've read hes rated behind Claiborne, Kirkpatrick and sometiimes Gilmore fairly universally in talent. He may go even further down because of character but while people could throw the term top 10 talent around fairly liberally I can guarantee that if you're the third best CB in college this year you will not be drafted in the top 10. There may be 3 CBs taken in the entire first round, but no way 3 go in the top 10.
    Posted by shenanigan


    I think i see where you are going. you are refering to where they are projected to go in the draft (but your original post referred to ablility) if you look at how they rank jenkins for his ability, it's top 10. it's the off the field issues that move him back as you have referred to above.

    peace man
     
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    JJ had an issue with pot (two busts) and got kicked off the team - never heard any 'bad teammate' issues. He has had a little issue with the use of contraception! which I think is a little more worrying than the pot, but ... Since then, he seems to have kept his nose clean for 18 months. These guys are college kids and they screw up. But, if he interviews well, and I haven't seen any bad reports on that, you got to like the talent and if he drops because of his history, you got to take him. I think he goes late first or early second - say 28 - 43.
    We got a steal with Hernadez when he dropped because of pot. And if I remember correctly, he was flagged at the combine for failing his test. I think that is even more 'red flag' - these guys know their whole future depends on a few days in March, and he couldn't clean his act up for a couple of weeks before the combine! At least JJ didn't make that bonehead play.
     
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    This guys character issues are a disaster waiting to happen and not the pot thing since that's a fine in MA but he's got 4 kids already? Is that true?

    That aside he's not going to be around ar 27 anyway because he has the talent and many teams will just toss the dice.
     
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    http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football/  If Janoris falls out of the first round, would you trade up to get him? Would he be worth the risk to take him in the first?
    Posted by NoahJustin


    No. We don't need reefer madness. No way this kid cold turkey quits smoking the ganja to play the Patriot way no matter how good he is.


    PASS 
     
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    JJ had an issue with pot (two busts) and got kicked off the team - never heard any 'bad teammate' issues. He has had a little issue with the use of contraception! which I think is a little more worrying than the pot, but ... Since then, he seems to have kept his nose clean for 18 months. These guys are college kids and they screw up. But, if he interviews well, and I haven't seen any bad reports on that, you got to like the talent and if he drops because of his history, you got to take him. I think he goes late first or early second - say 28 - 43. We got a steal with Hernadez when he dropped because of pot. And if I remember correctly, he was flagged at the combine for failing his test. I think that is even more 'red flag' - these guys know their whole future depends on a few days in March, and he couldn't clean his act up for a couple of weeks before the combine! At least JJ didn't make that bonehead play.
    Posted by mia76

    2nd pot bust was being in a friends car who had a "personal use amount" in it.

     
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    In Response to Janoris Jenkins to fall out of first round? : No. We don't need reefer madness. No way this kid cold turkey quits smoking the ganja to play the Patriot way no matter how good he is. PASS  
    Posted by kansaspatriot


    randy, hern and faulk were pot smokers.
     
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    Jenkins falls way out of the first round. If Hernandez slips to the fourth, this kid drops to late second early third.Hernandez was one of the top Tight Ends in College. This Kid has Immaturity problems along with 4 kids. He also never stopped smoking weed at North Alabama. Not a Pac Man type just needs to grow up.
     
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    In Response to Re: Janoris Jenkins to fall out of first round? : 2nd pot bust was being in a friends car who had a "personal use amount" in it.
    Posted by bredbru

    It's a moot point since he admitted to smoking while at N. Ala! So, regardless if the second bust was a small amount in a friends car he was still smoking.

    Also with Hern, Mallett, and Faulk since they had been busted they have stopped and we haven't heard a single peep about substance violations since. Jenkins however, after being caught the first time, was then caught a second time, and then failed a drug test a third time (at which point he was thrown out of Florida), and even then still continued to smoke up. That's the huge difference, is that they stopped once caught while Jenkins still continued then lied about it.

    Additionally, Mallett, Hern, and Faulk didn't have an assault arrest, suspensions from fighting on the field, and baby daddy issues. You really can't compare Jenkins to their situations since they appearently learned from their mistakes while Jenkins continues to make the same mistakes over and over again.

     
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    Posted by kansaspatriot


    I pity whatever your college experience was, but if you think that Janoris Jenkins is an anomoly smoking pot and going to college, your head is in the sand

    Seriously.  Kevin Faulk got arrested in Louisiana at a Snoop Dogg concert for possession of marijuana.  I've never heard you question his commitment to the "Patriot Way," or did you forget?

    I'd love to see the Patriots draft Jenkins in the 2nd or 3rd round.  That frees up the two first round picks (or whatever they're traded for) to be used on a DE, DT, or OLB or S.  They could get a first round cornerback talent later, along with two first round talents with their other two picks.

    I also can't wait until my generation, which realizes that people from both of our generations smoke large amounts of it anyways, finally legalizes and taxes it, thereby also eliminating more than half of all estimated black market drug dealer revenue.

    Oh, and it isn't addictive:
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201012/is-marijuana-addictive

    With such low dependency numbers, they should ban Internet porn and sports bars and speeding first (oh wait, everybody speeds, too, but smart countries like Germany ditched speed limits because they know people don't want to die) (just like smart countries should legalize weed and regulate it, while destroying more than half of all drug dealers' business) (but, you know, villify this kid)
     
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    popular misconception about no speed limits in Germany.  ONLY on certain sections of the autobahn.

    However, some credence could be given to your statement, in that most cab drivers in Germany aren't German and drive with no regard to speed limits.. even though there are INTL signs.
     
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    I dont know why his agent dropped him but that is yet another red flag.

    If BB drafts him I will assume he knows more about the details and thinks the staff and team can handle the guy. But he is not the sort of player we usually go after. If he is still there when we pick in the second round maybe they will take a shot. I dont think I would risk a first round pick on this guy.
     
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    In Response to Re: Janoris Jenkins to fall out of first round? : I pity whatever your college experience was, but if you think that Janoris Jenkins is an anomoly smoking pot and going to college, your head is in the sand Seriously.  Kevin Faulk got arrested in Louisiana at a Snoop Dogg concert for possession of marijuana.  I've never heard you question his commitment to the "Patriot Way," or did you forget? I'd love to see the Patriots draft Jenkins in the 2nd or 3rd round.  That frees up the two first round picks (or whatever they're traded for) to be used on a DE, DT, or OLB or S.  They could get a first round cornerback talent later, along with two first round talents with their other two picks. I also can't wait until my generation, which realizes that people from both of our generations smoke large amounts of it anyways, finally legalizes and taxes it, thereby also eliminating more than half of all estimated black market drug dealer revenue. Oh, and it isn't addictive: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201012/is-marijuana-addictive With such low dependency numbers, they should ban Internet porn and sports bars and speeding first (oh wait, everybody speeds, too, but smart countries like Germany ditched speed limits because they know people don't want to die) (just like smart countries should legalize weed and regulate it, while destroying more than half of all drug dealers' business) (but, you know, villify this kid)
    Posted by Artist-Frmrly-Knwn-As-NickC1188


    +1 +1 +1
     
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    I dont know why his agent dropped him but that is yet another red flag. If BB drafts him I will assume he knows more about the details and thinks the staff and team can handle the guy. But he is not the sort of player we usually go after. If he is still there when we pick in the second round maybe they will take a shot. I dont think I would risk a first round pick on this guy.
    Posted by portfolio1


    his mentor said he dropped the agent. i posted the link aweek ago.
    agent covering his a@@.


     
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    #1. This is THE 9TH Janoris Jenkins Thread within this forum's Last 10 Pages...No- Not, "This is like the 9th Jenkins Thread," lmao- This is THE 9th (I just counted, and not including 1 more WalterFootball.com Mock thread, which ended up being dedicated to Janoris Jenkins, seein' as how he was a mocked pick at that time towards NE).

    #2. He F#K!NG SVCKS...Get a Grip-  The guy, F#K!NG SVCKS...despite the whole slew of other b#llsh#t you're getting with him- As of The Month of April, in the year, 2012=Janoris Jenkins F#K!NG SVX...  He's FAR closer to rounding out The Top 10 in Rated Draft Cornerbacks, TO-Day...than being an Overall Top 10 skilled player, To-day.

    Here's my previous take on him (idk-somewhere within the 4-8 Range of total threads dedicated to this guy):

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    ALL
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    Alright this "It's a sweet idea using a 1st Round Selection on Janoris Jenkins" Overall insanity, has gotta end...

    It's not so much his 3 arrests, however many children b-s.  Honestly, WhoTH cares if he smokes p0t and has a few kids?  I don't...  Sheez, I'm the guy who's favorite player in the league is James Harrison, and on NE is Brandon Spikes (or DMC, who's an unfitting to my greater point right here & now).  Seriously, I WANT more psychopaths on my team.  In my opinion, Belichick should actually try to TARGET psychopaths... 

    There's a difference though.  Spikes, Harrison, minus only pretentious old white conservative male's issue with Spikes filming himself sleeping with a chick while he was a 19 year old in college- With Spikes & Harrison, you DO NOT hear about their off-field issues, beit at home, or in the lockerrom, or on the sideline bench, Affecting their passion, their drive, their team chemistry, as it relates to the actual football related aspects of themselves.  These guys get bad raps for trying to kill people...But ALL their desires and passions are weighted towards being the best, the hardest, the toughest, and the most passion-filled (and inspired) players on that gameday field of play.  There are ZERO noteworthy conflictions in their personal life vs. their ability to play and shed blood (their's or someone else's) for their football squad.

    And yet, we're not even getting anywhere with the hopes that Jenkins supporters might hope to recognize some greater quality found within a guy's true love (or lack thereof) and passion to play the game of football at the highest level possible, As it relates to one's continued and unfaltering professionalism and dedication towards this, the most critical of desires, Upon a football player stepping off the field at any given time.  And good grief (with jenkins), it wasn't simply his arrests that gave Myer fits at U of F, it was his locker room persona that keeps getting noted as the final straw which led to him being dumped...  At what's the issue now with jenkins, The guy hasn't even been drafted and now there's news about his agent not liking him to the point where Jenkins had to end things with that agent and find another one?!?  Man...


    And, lmao...Nope, even that doesn't even remotely do it for me. <Also, here I'd like to add the sorta relevant question of: WhyInTH would we be packaging draft picks in order to move up so NE can target the position of...1st Round CORNERBACK this year? /> 

    But no...  Nope.  Jenkins is- well, he's not-hmmm, "Good."  No...  He might get back to BEING good (a definate probability in light of all his off-field issues).  Jenkins was pretty good verses 2 future 1st Round NFL Wide Receivers, Julio Jones & AJ Green.  But that was in 2010...(2008-2010 Florida Gators- NOT a too shabby collection of players on that Offensive and Defensive Team overall)   And yet, HERE is 1st Round Pick Janoris Jenkins' 3 year stats while at Florida (39(!) Games btw...starting 36 of them and playing heavily in the other 3 that he didn't actually start in=39 GAMES):

    3 Years and 39 Games (including Bowl Games and SEC Championship Games):
    121 Total Tackles (Combined Solos and Assists)
    25 Passes defensed
    8 Interceptions

    In 2011-12, Jenkins "schooled" oppossing wideouts in DIVISION II...with a stat line at N. Alabama of: 53 TTs (decent...division II), AND for his pass d against Dividion II wideouts?  4 PDs and 2 INTs. 
    If ya need quick math help, As it relates to every game that's just about I believe now: 3/4's of 1 PD for each 1 Game, 1 in every 5 Games He'll get an INT, and finally now- How many TT's on average per game...?  A: Just about 3...3 as the grand total after you Combine Solo Tackles and Assists together.

    Not enough?

    Alright...here's some videos of how he performed verses The other noteable draftworthy Seniors (this year...2012...couple months ago).

    #1. Day 1 Practice 1 for the South Squad at Senior Bowl Practice Week:
    <play #1-Jenkins stays at home, and gets knocked back with his rock feet-Late throw (too slow, and terrible read and react balance in off-man)- Count on that being a certified pass reception in the pros/play #2-Jenkins gets right up on the line, and actually plays extremely physical press-man coverage...before falling right down to the ground upon the wideout shrugging him off & returning just half the physicality Jenkins was using on the same wideout himself (this quality of passing defensive plays result in 20 yard gains and touchdowns in the pros) 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ6gMmOPEok

    #2. Practice 2- Play 1: Jenkins best play @ 1:10 while defending wideout Jeff Fuller (sort of a problem though- It might become an issue, when Jenkins isn't able to turn his head to make any sort of idk- "minor glance" at the actual ball when it gets to the WR in the NFL <ya know, just turn his head to make a play on the pass right as it's getting to the WR? /> NFL wideouts WILL have the agility to turn that underthrown ball into a catch IF and when the CB that's covering them, isn't even skilled enough to turn his head to the ball in the flight. 
    Play 2: @ 5:35...LOL!  Not only does Jenkins get beat...really, REALLY badly.  But, On an underthrown ball...a ball so underthrown that the receiver can't stop in time to actually be able to make the simple catch after burning Jenkins, Jenkins actually feels the added need to turn that bad pass, into a WOULD-BE, NFL Pass Interference call, which would've resulted in a 1st and Goal at the 5 upon the 40 or more yard PI penalty being awarded (they call this a PI in the pros when you're hitting the receiver's arms down, even if just for a fraction of a second prior to the ball getting to them).  So he first got burned, then second- turned a bad pass that wouldn't have resulted in a catch, IN-to a would-be 1st and Goal.  Here ya go:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ame-J9iqZ8&feature=relmfu
      
    #3. Day 3- How'd Jenkins do here?  Luckily, when he got caught flat-footed & slow in his QB pass-direction to WR-read & react ability on this one...it was only a pass play that went for a shade over 50 yards.  Hopefully NFL QBs won't be hitting their pro wideouts in full stride, resulting in TDs when he sees the big-time:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U-J5gwllC0&feature=related

    #4.  The Game itself...1st TD of the game?  Given up by Jenkins (purple helmet tumbling out of bounds while his receiver makes the TD catch @ the :40 second mark).  Play 2: Jenkins making a successful special team's tackle on the oppossing side's PR man, after the return man making a 40 yard return @ the 1:56 mark:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2J57oxOMjU&feature=related

    Finally, final play of the Senior Bowl Game (North's RB Isiah Pead, skirting down Jenkins' sideline, and Jenkins completely whiffing on Pead's juke @ the final 3:50 plus mark <5 seconds to the exact end of the clip />):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBk6TqQdCHA&feature=related


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    There, that's the CB we should we package picks together in order to trade up for in the 1st Round.
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    <>Dear Janoris Jenkins Supporters:
        />Welcome to April 2012...No, Janoris Jenkins is NOT Pacman Jones, or Randy Moss, or Dominique Rodgers Cromartie, or anyone that came into The NFL Draft with high quality and many off-field or just outward question marks and noteable red flags to at least weigh...Janoris Jenkins couldn't even hold these guys j#ckstraps, in regards to his quality of play verses THEIR quality of play come their respective draft days. 

     
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