In Response to Re: John Harbaugh is an idiot? : Harbaugh has not won a ring Posted by CaptainZdeno33

I Read All of Post#1 so far (something I never do, but I'll read the rest later).  Not sure if someone addressed this point yet... Wasn't Harbaugh solely talking about "SpyGate" and "BountyGate" in terms of public opinions which are derived from and once these situations inevitably come to the surface for all eyes to see.  Seemed like he was sorta centering the greater sentiments of the ideas he was forwarding on this radio broadcast, less towards the absolute guilt or non-guilt of these 2 actual instances that he was questioned with...  Appears to be FAR more directional guided towards "Cheating IN General" AND especially: The impulsive, non-thorough, reactionary, immediate, and half-educated Public Judgement which gets formed in Both an Immediate and Absolute and Final Fashion, once ANY-thing like this gets thrown into the public meat-grinder...  He's infering the sad notion, Guilt or non-Guilt, about how Absolutely finalized and stamped and set into stone that greater Judgement-Label (here: "cheating") gets branded into your deeds in such a completely set way during the near time when the issue is in the foreground for The Masses, THAT- No matter what you do, say, or any new info, or more informed which might come to the light of day, At ANY moment after the close firestorm of the ordeal in question, IS- Absolutely meaningless...far too weak to EVER "un-do" the perception already formed about what trully transpired in the event. Here- Semantics 101 (from Yahoo article): "To put a fine point on it, Harbaugh said that New England's Super Bowl titles do have asterisks, not that they should . Seems like a small semantic difference, but it isn't. We can't have it both ways. We can't clobber coaches and players for giving generic boilerplate answers, only to clobber them harder when they say what's really on their minds." Good "Catch"- Totally !d!ot!c thing to take away and conclude however... Harbaugh is NOT personally granting that "I believe The New England Patriots ARE cheaters" ("cheated," or whatever).  They DO have titles...1st person judgement removed (especially, and even moreso upon seeing the surrounding statement).  Far worse, and a clear insinuation of his opinion on matters- "They should have asteriks." Does NE's Superbowls have asteriks?  No.  You know that...Harbaugh probably follows the game of pro football somewhat closely at least- So HE knows that.  They don't...and they won't.  Public Perception's Ill and Absolute Conclusion is formed haphazardly and speciously because when it's a massive scandal in something they know on a big stage and/or like or dislike personally, The Final OpinionatedJudgement of The Masses are REAL quick...and they can NEVER be fully undone.  And this happened with the SpyGate Witchhunt and The BountyGate what-ever (Goodell buried that pretty good- 1 bad guy's neccesary...2 bad guys start reflecting on the greater NFL as a whole unit- NO-body in league offices want that)... Harbaugh was making THIS overall point I'm pretty certain (i.e. Absolute & Final Public Label of="CHEATER"...and the unfortunate *asterik sentiment that's forwarded to your accomplishments, beit deserved or not at all).
Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium

Same old story: The Colts couldn't get by New England, so the Patriots were "cheating" and the rules had to be "emphasized." Baltimore can't get by the Patriots and it's The Fox and the Grapes all over again. Comes with the territory. Those who cannot defeat you must take their solace in belittling your achievments. Harbaugh may or may not be an idiot -- I don't really care -- but he certainly makes me chuckle quietly to myself.
Posted by p-mike

He already had to fall on the sword and backtrack on his comments and call Belichick and apologize as well. I would  have more respect for him if he stuck to his guns, with the apologizing as well he comes off as a sackless whiner 
Posted by BostonTrollSpanker

In Response to Re: John Harbaugh is an idiot? : Thank you for showing everyone how to take something out of context.  You pull one line out of a 50 line Q&A to make it look like what you want.  Now go back and put in the other 49 lines about how the topic was cheating and the saints and Harbarugh went on to use Spygate as an example that something that has nothing to do with you winning SB's can "taint" it. Oh and of course there was nothing about PERCEPTION in that qoute because the WHOLE conversation was about the public's perception of a team when something like bountygate comes up.  THE WHOLE COVERSTAION WAS ABOUT PERCEPTION.  BY JUST TAKING OUT THAT ONE LINE WITHOUT PUTTING IT IN THAT CONTEXT IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF TAKING SOMETHING OUT OF CONTEXT. CONGRATS!!! Posted by Patsman3

In response to "Re: John Harbaugh is an idiot?": You obviously don't know what "out of context" means, he has given a complete and entire thought in the quote I posted. nothing "out of context". In addition, you fail to even support your accusation with anything he actually said, you just allude to it, further deteriorating your weak claim. Please show something that he said in completen context that obviously conflicts with my quote. You won't because you can't. At best, you'll find some after the fact backpedalling and explanation, further enforcing the fact that it was not out of context. The guy screwed up, period. good, he'll pay for it in late September.
Posted by pauldeba

In response to "Re: John Harbaugh is an idiot?": You obviously don't know what "out of context" means, he has given a complete and entire thought in the quote I posted. nothing "out of context". In addition, you fail to even support your accusation with anything he actually said, you just allude to it, further deteriorating your weak claim. Please show something that he said in completen context that obviously conflicts with my quote. You won't because you can't. At best, you'll find some after the fact backpedalling and explanation, further enforcing the fact that it was not out of context. The guy screwed up, period. good, he'll pay for it in late September.
Posted by pauldeba

Harbaugh can't put that genie back in the bottle.  Even if his restatement appropriately clarified his original statement, even as restated, he's right.  Even if no advantage was realized (only those on the inside will ever know), the continuous institutional impropriety is enough to cause people to question. 
Posted by UD6

In Response to Re: John Harbaugh is an idiot? : You excited about your team doggy doooooo?
Posted by NEGAME2

In Response to Re: John Harbaugh is an idiot? : You excited about your team doggy doooooo?
Posted by NEGAME2

I've been saying it for years, this whole incident (Spygate) has been so over-blown, it's ridiculous to even bring it up. These teams scout each other 24/7. they know all the plays, all their tendencies, all their formations, heck they even know which guys have tattoo's on their butts (just kidding there)  Take basketball for instance, most teams only have a handful of plays. The point-guard even calls the play as he's bringing the ball up the court. The defense knows whats coming, yet so many times they fail to stop it... It all comes down to execution, plain & simple. The Patriots just happened to execute a lot better than everyone else during their Super Bowl Years. The bottom line is no one wants to give anybody any credit any more. It's so much easier to blame the refs, blame the NFL Commissioner, say the other team was just lucky, anything other than admit that your team just got beat!                                                                                             
Posted by Steelcurtain75

In Response to Re: John Harbaugh is an idiot? :      Which team are you referring to?? The Denver Peytons, or the Indianapolis Colts? LOL!!!
Posted by TexasPat3

"You have no clue. The full interview is all over the place at this point so no I am not going hand feed it to you." Maybe not, but at least I know what "out of context" means and you don't, and that was your accusation.  Did he contradict this statement in the rest of his interview? perhaps, I don't care, I see a complete statement, he made it and you pretended I quoted him "out of context", which I didn't do.  If he can't keep his thoughts straight and says something, perhaps something he really didn't mean, that's not my problem.
Posted by pauldeba