Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

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    Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    First off i really like JE and i hope he does indeed make the final roster, but i just dont see it happening. Here's my reasoning: 1. He can't stay healthy for long stretches, he's been injured the past couple seasons, and you cant make a consistent impact on ir or the bench, 2. The length and amount of his contract. (1 year 700,000+ no promises w/incentives) thats basically peanuts compared to what the other guys are signed for, that the pats have brought in. 3. I keep reading that he's a lock for a roster spot because he's the only receiver( not including Slater) that Brady has thrown to in the past, thats all very valid, but i look at the situation this way. If BB was overly worried about rapport and continuity between brady and his receivers welker nor would lloyd be gone, and i dont see them rushing to sign branch and stallworth either; the 'OPEN MAN" is the rapport and continuity that he wants; also the fact that he's on a 1 year prove it contract further buffers the idea that they do want him and value him to a certain degree but he's still very expendable. 4. TJ MOE!!! they really like him alot and i think he's JE's replacment, I do think BB is trying to challenge TB just as much as he"s trying to challenge his entire staff including himself to get it right at the receiver positions this time with younger options. All of this is just "my opinion", sprinkled with a few facts. Let me know what you guys think.

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    In response to BassFishingII's comment:

    It's quite possible.

    My argument as to why he will:

     He's one of the best punt returners around, he's the 3rd QB it saves a roster spot, he's dirt cheap, he's a back up WR who was being used in the X position last year, as well as the slot, and can play a dime CB in a pinch.

    While he is injury prone, I think if you don;t have him as a starter, just use him as a punt returner and spot player when someone needs a rest, you'll limit his potential for injury.

    Barring Donald Jones or Hawkins, Moe, etc, somehow looking very impressive, getting the system down and playbook, his value is too much to ignore.

    The fact you can save a roster spot alone and the punt returning quality is enough for me. He and Slater are kind of the same back end WR you want. Great at what they do on Special Teams, know the system, cheap, etc.

     



    Great points and there all valid and make sense, but i have to disagree with your points as to why he would stay. first, BB signed leon washington for that very reason to be a PR/KR specialist, and (why have 2 guys on your roster labelled as "Wr's" that doesnt play the position effectively when the team needs all the WR help they can get, i think one is good enough for "strictly" special teams purposes), and as for the other positions you listed they probably wont need him as a spare cornerback if everyones healthy, and i doubt he will ever see the QB position; also while JE is good at what he does Leon washington has a more proven track record and there are other options on the roster that can fill JE's duties. Also the only reason i think he would make the final roster is because the other WR's just wont pick up the system quick enough.

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    I'm on the bubble here with him.  I like the kid because he is a player.  He isn't really good at any one thing but he will try and play any position they put him in.  Huge heart.  People here were saying he was gone a few years ago so it shouldn't surprise anyone if he doesn't make it this season.  I would like him too be on the team, if he isn't injured, because like mentioned above he is really the only receiver who has played in this offense and has worked with TFB.

    No, he isn't one of the better punt returners, takes to many chances when he should be fair catching the ball.  Washington is here for that and Amendola has a bunch of experience with both kick and punt returns too so they won't keep Edelman just because he has returned punts in the past. 

    Not sure we will ever see him at CB position again but he could be thrown in if needed. and I doubt we will ever see him at QB so I think even taking into consideration these two reason would be silly.

    Bottom line is I think if he is healthy for training camp he will probably stand out due to his experience, he will make the team.  If he goes in injured then we will probably be saying our goodbye's and wish him well.

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    To be a great Punt Returner you have to be a Crazy Dude. Edelman is this. I like Edelman, hope this year brings great things for him.
    He does anything to win a game, believe me BB knows this.

     
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    I think a bigger question will be, will Leon Washington make the team? He's going to be making decent money for a guy to do one thing (although it's an inportant thing). If a guy like Edelman has a great camp and they sign a guy like Felix Jones...does that mean the older (more expensive) Washington is let go? On one hand he was one of the first people Belichick signed, but then again it appeared as if they wanted to sign Josh Cribbs first.

     
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    Unless T.J. Moe turns out to be a fantastic PR, I can't see them cutting Julie. Julie's PR skill is too valuable to the Patriots for them to let him go. They'll find a way to keep both, even if it means only carrying 3 RBs. 

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    In response to mthurl's comment:

    I think a bigger question will be, will Leon Washington make the team? He's going to be making decent money for a guy to do one thing (although it's an inportant thing). If a guy like Edelman has a great camp and they sign a guy like Felix Jones...does that mean the older (more expensive) Washington is let go? On one hand he was one of the first people Belichick signed, but then again it appeared as if they wanted to sign Josh Cribbs first.



    No way they cut Leon Washington, last year, everyone knew the Pat had no return game and they challenged them to take the ball out.  Felix Jones can't return kicks, Felix Jones is done, if they sign him it will be only to give Vareen some comepitition for camp. 

    Edelman and Washington are more likely to make the team over Moe and Jones. 

     
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    Disagree; Jones, Jenkins and the rest are gone... 

     
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    I think he makes the team. He's still young, good special teams guy, and a solid punt returner. He does too many things well that some of the other guys don't bring to the table. Plus he could be an emergency QB if needed.

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    BB will not give up on his seventh round bestie so easily. 

    Or for that matter should he. Julian is versatile and impacts the game. If he can stay healthy he could be an All Pro. One more injury prone season could finish him here but I say he gets one more go...

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    When he was healthy he played very well last year. In fact it was a bit of a break out year for him. If he ends camp healthy he will make the team. 

    However, if he gets knocked out again this season and the new receivers show promise, he's probably done at the end of the year. 

     
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    I thought Edelman showed flashes of some serious talent last season...when fully healthy.  For the few times he wasn't nursing an injury or coming off of one, he looked pretty darned good.  Therein lies the problem with injury prone players.  No player can make a play on the sideline.  It seems like they often stay healthy during training camp, cause a decent player to get cut, and then get injured.

     
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    Edelman and/or Jones will be PUPed, decision deferred.

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    In response to 81patsfan's comment:

    First off i really like JE and i hope he does indeed make the final roster, but i just dont see it happening. Here's my reasoning: 1. He can't stay healthy for long stretches, he's been injured the past couple seasons, and you cant make a consistent impact on ir or the bench, 2. The length and amount of his contract. (1 year 700,000+ no promises w/incentives) thats basically peanuts compared to what the other guys are signed for, that the pats have brought in. 3. I keep reading that he's a lock for a roster spot because he's the only receiver( not including Slater) that Brady has thrown to in the past, thats all very valid, but i look at the situation this way. If BB was overly worried about rapport and continuity between brady and his receivers welker nor would lloyd be gone, and i dont see them rushing to sign branch and stallworth either; the 'OPEN MAN" is the rapport and continuity that he wants; also the fact that he's on a 1 year prove it contract further buffers the idea that they do want him and value him to a certain degree but he's still very expendable. 4. TJ MOE!!! they really like him alot and i think he's JE's replacment, I do think BB is trying to challenge TB just as much as he"s trying to challenge his entire staff including himself to get it right at the receiver positions this time with younger options. All of this is just "my opinion", sprinkled with a few facts. Let me know what you guys think.




    I think Edelman is on the final roster for his punt return capabilities. I know everybody is high on this kid TJ Moe, but there is a reason 32 teams passed on him 7 times each and he was an UDFA.

     
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    Always have liked Edelman simply because he is an apparently fearless football player.  Totally agree that his next injury is right around the corner; at least that's his history.  I think it's 50/50 whether he makes the final roster.  He could be PUPed or he could be cut or he could be there. 

    I really don't see any way that Jenkins makes the final squad. 

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    In response to ATJ's comment:

    Always have liked Edelman simply because he is an apparently fearless football player.  Totally agree that his next injury is right around the corner; at least that's his history.  I think it's 50/50 whether he makes the final roster.  He could be PUPed or he could be cut or he could be there. 

    I really don't see any way that Jenkins makes the final squad. 



    I will crap my pants if Jenkins makes the roster.

     
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    Edelman will make the roster no sweat...... he's injury prone !!

    Welker & Lloyd were not injury prone and they're gone so makes sense yes???

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    In response to wozzy's comment:

    Disagree; Jones, Jenkins and the rest are gone... 



    Agree. I don't see jones nor Jenkins making the roster. Where does Hawkins fit in? 

    Dobson, amendola are locks. Slater a lock because of his st play. that's 3 spots that should be locked. How many wr's will the pats carry? 6? Given the youth movement at the position, I think the pats should keep 6-7 and see what they have. 

    Amendola, Dobson , slater, Boyce, Hawkins, moe, Edelman ...I think they carry 6 and the the final shoot out is between moe and Edelman. 

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    I'd agree that Edelman is not a lock, but it's a long way to go before final cut down day, and Edelman's fate will depend as much on what others do as it will on what he does. If Edelman has an advantage it's that he was the team's best punt returner last year.  I can easily see him being outcompeted at receiver, but someone is also going to have to grab the punt return role from him.  Injuries (Edelman's and those that will certainly occur to others) are also going to be factored in.  At this point, all we can do is guess.   I will say that, even though I "like" Edelman, I don't think he's a great receiver and therefore would think it would be a good thing if his roster slot were filled by someone who was a better receiver, as long as we also had an equal or better punt returner on the roster.  

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    Blasphamy alert - 

    Slater - crap receiver but ST captain as a very good gunner.

    Edelman - solid receiver and very good PR, but injury prone.

    Washington - crap running back, good KR, new guy.

    I don't think any of these three are guaranteed a roster spot, but edelman is the only one who can bring 4 down value to the team if he can stay healthy.

    It would be shocking but not that surprising if Slater got cut - great ST guys historically have short life spans with teams because eventually another player provides more upside on the first three downs and the numbers game on a 53 man roster catches up to them. And there is always another maniac to take over the ST role.

    For all three of these guys there are younger cheaper players with speed that may show enough skill in training camp and preseason to bump them off the team. But a healthy JE probably has the best shot at sticking because he provides that 3 down up-side.

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    In response to 81patsfan's comment:

    First off i really like JE and i hope he does indeed make the final roster, but i just dont see it happening. Here's my reasoning: 1. He can't stay healthy for long stretches, he's been injured the past couple seasons, and you cant make a consistent impact on ir or the bench, 2. The length and amount of his contract. (1 year 700,000+ no promises w/incentives) thats basically peanuts compared to what the other guys are signed for, that the pats have brought in. 3. I keep reading that he's a lock for a roster spot because he's the only receiver( not including Slater) that Brady has thrown to in the past, thats all very valid, but i look at the situation this way. If BB was overly worried about rapport and continuity between brady and his receivers welker nor would lloyd be gone, and i dont see them rushing to sign branch and stallworth either; the 'OPEN MAN" is the rapport and continuity that he wants; also the fact that he's on a 1 year prove it contract further buffers the idea that they do want him and value him to a certain degree but he's still very expendable. 4. TJ MOE!!! they really like him alot and i think he's JE's replacment, I do think BB is trying to challenge TB just as much as he"s trying to challenge his entire staff including himself to get it right at the receiver positions this time with younger options. All of this is just "my opinion", sprinkled with a few facts. Let me know what you guys think.

    My response in bold:

    1. He can't stay healthy for long stretches, he's been injured the past couple seasons, and you cant make a consistent impact on ir or the bench,

    Amendola and Jones have played in less games over the last 2 years then Edelman. Jenkins has also missed 10 games in the last 3 years and his speed has been greatly effected by those injures. Boyce also has a broken foot. If can't stay healthy is a factor then these guys suffer the same condition

    2. The length and amount of his contract. (1 year 700,000+ no promises w/incentives) thats basically peanuts compared to what the other guys are signed for, that the pats have brought in.

    Jones, Jenkins, and Hawkins signed for basically no money guaranteed so contract size doesn't really mean anything is amount guaranteed that matters and in that case only Amendola can you make the comment that his contract would give him an edge on making the team

    3. I keep reading that he's a lock for a roster spot because he's the only receiver( not including Slater) that Brady has thrown to in the past, thats all very valid, but i look at the situation this way. If BB was overly worried about rapport and continuity between brady and his receivers welker nor would lloyd be gone, and i dont see them rushing to sign branch and stallworth either; the 'OPEN MAN" is the rapport and continuity that he wants; also the fact that he's on a 1 year prove it contract further buffers the idea that they do want him and value him to a certain degree but he's still very expendable.

    We've seen tons of WRs from the draft and FA come in and a vast majority failed because of a lack of chemistry with Brady. Ocho is a great example. If Brady doesn't feel comfortable throwing to a player he won't. This actualy gives Edelman an edge because we know Brady can throw to him. Everyone else is still an unkown at this point. Btw all the oter WRs Bady is comfortable throwing to they had in last year and they were all two old at that point.

    4. TJ MOE!!! they really like him alot and i think he's JE's replacment, I do think BB is trying to challenge TB just as much as he"s trying to challenge his entire staff including himself to get it right at the receiver positions this time with younger options.

    Edelman can play inside and out while Moe is mainly an inside guy only. I love Moe too but Edelman is more like Amendola and Moe more like Welker. So if you wanted Amendola backup that can get outside and play opposite Dobson or move inside with a 3 WR formation you are looking closer to Edelman then Moe at this point.

     

    The other thing you didn't factor is BB's love for versitality. Edelman can be an emergency QB, DB, he's a great punt returner, ST gunner, and is a good #3/4 WR. That makes him more valued (versatility wise) then any other WR currenty on the roser.

    If I go by your guidelines I would say Jones, Hawkins, and Jenkins are more expendable becase of Boyce and Dobson then Edelman because of Moe

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    In response to Muzwell's comment:

    Edelman and/or Jones will be PUPed, decision deferred.




    I agree.

     
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