Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    I'd be more surprised to see Slater cut than Edelman.  That said, with BB, anything is possible.  BB makes his decisions looking at the whole team, so it's always possible a receiver gets cut not because he loses out to another receiver but because BB decides he needs another running back or linebacker on the roster . . . 

     

     
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    Bass - don't see only 3 TE - I think the 5th 'RB' you list may end up being Hooman in an H-Back kind of role. And I could see BB adding another WR at the expense of defensive depth.

    Whatever happens it will be a very interesting cut down this year.

    And wasn't Seymour a captain at one point prior to contract issues?

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

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    I think Edelman is on the final roster for his punt return capabilities. I know everybody is high on this kid TJ Moe, but there is a reason 32 teams passed on him 7 times each and he was an UDFA.



    Does the name Wes Welker ring a bell?  How about Danny Amendola . . .  How about Kurt Warner and Tony Romo or Arian Foster, Danny Woodhead, the law firm (BJGE), Jake Ballard (our TE), Antinio Gates, Myles Auston, and wouldn't you love to see Tom throwing to Victor Cruz?  Didn't Malcom Floyd lead the league in yard/reception?   Guys like Jeff Saturday had pretty good careers w/o being drafted . . . our own Brian Waters and Steve Neal did too!  The Pats have had more than their share of undrafted free agents over the years but maybe none better than  Adam Vinateri.  

    I never even got around to mentioning some of the defensive guys but there are a ton of them . . . so there may be reasons why guys go undrafted but there are reasons the Pats bring in 20 year and search for that diamond in the rough! 

     

     

     
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    I have Boyce falling down and breaking his rookie.  Then Boyce goes on PUP/IR.  He'll probably be ok in 2014.  Moe should break his rookie too.  It's the most hazardous part of some football players' bodies.  Dobson is good enough that he should make the September roster, although he'll be used sparingly at first.  He needs a year to mature. 

    Edelman, if healthy, will make the roster.  If unhealthy but with something that heals like his foot, he'll go on IR.  If he gets better by next February he'll be in camp in 2014, probably making the team.  If not, he gets released in February. 

     

     

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    Dude is good when he's on the field, but he's too fragile. BB must like him though, or he'd a been gone a long time ago.

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

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    I think Edelman is on the final roster for his punt return capabilities. I know everybody is high on this kid TJ Moe, but there is a reason 32 teams passed on him 7 times each and he was an UDFA.

    Does the name Wes Welker ring a bell?  How about Danny Amendola . . .  How about Kurt Warner and Tony Romo or Arian Foster, Danny Woodhead, the law firm (BJGE), Jake Ballard (our TE), Antinio Gates, Myles Auston, and wouldn't you love to see Tom throwing to Victor Cruz?  Didn't Malcom Floyd lead the league in yard/reception?   Guys like Jeff Saturday had pretty good careers w/o being drafted . . . our own Brian Waters and Steve Neal did too!  The Pats have had more than their share of undrafted free agents over the years but maybe none better than  Adam Vinateri.  

     I never even got around to mentioning some of the defensive guys but there are a ton of them . . . so there may be reasons why guys go undrafted but there are reasons the Pats bring in 20 year and search for that diamond in the rough! 

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    Tenace4life I understand there are some great players in the league who started out as UDFA's. However lets not get carried away and try to preach in such a condescending manner. The examples you mentioned above are the exception rather than the rule. All I am saying is the odds of an UDFA making a team are stacked way against the player. Some folks in here speak about TJ Moe as if he was a first or second round draft pick! Just saying he will be lucky to make the team.

     

     

     




     

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

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    In response to Quagmire3's comment:

    I think Edelman is on the final roster for his punt return capabilities. I know everybody is high on this kid TJ Moe, but there is a reason 32 teams passed on him 7 times each and he was an UDFA.

    Does the name Wes Welker ring a bell?  How about Danny Amendola . . .  How about Kurt Warner and Tony Romo or Arian Foster, Danny Woodhead, the law firm (BJGE), Jake Ballard (our TE), Antinio Gates, Myles Auston, and wouldn't you love to see Tom throwing to Victor Cruz?  Didn't Malcom Floyd lead the league in yard/reception?   Guys like Jeff Saturday had pretty good careers w/o being drafted . . . our own Brian Waters and Steve Neal did too!  The Pats have had more than their share of undrafted free agents over the years but maybe none better than  Adam Vinateri.  

     I never even got around to mentioning some of the defensive guys but there are a ton of them . . . so there may be reasons why guys go undrafted but there are reasons the Pats bring in 20 year and search for that diamond in the rough! 

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    Tenace4life I understand there are some great players in the league who started out as UDFA's. However lets not get carried away and try to preach in such a condescending manner. The examples you mentioned above are the exception rather than the rule. All I am saying is the odds of an UDFA making a team are stacked way against the player. Some folks in here speak about TJ Moe as if he was a first or second round draft pick! Just saying he will be lucky to make the team.

     

     

     




     

     



    Back in 2010, a guy who works for the NFL told me that on average 91% of drafted rookies make either the 53-man roster or the practice squad and 44% of undrafted rookies who sign contracts end up making the 53-man roster or practice squad.  In a typical year, there are about 255 drafted rookies and about 480 undrafted free agents.  So that means you'd expect about 230 drafted and 210 undrafted rookies to end up on either 53-man rosters or practice squads. 

     

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    "Back in 2010, a guy who works for the NFL told me that on average 91% of drafted rookies make either the 53-man roster or the practice squad and 44% of undrafted rookies who sign contracts end up making the 53-man roster or practice squad.  In a typical year, there are about 255 drafted rookies and about 480 undrafted free agents.  So that means you'd expect about 230 drafted and 210 undrafted rookies to end up on either 53-man rosters or practice squads."

     

    I'd say 99.9% of the first two round players make their teams and at least 98% of the third rounders.  Then 91% of drafted players would seem reasonable.  I've also heard more undrafted free agents end up making it in the NFL than 7th round picks . . . but then there are only 32 guys who are 7th rounders but 480 undrafted free agents get invited into camp each year.   So if 100% of the 7th rounders make the team (I'm sure the percentage is much lower than that) it would mean 32 guys and if only 25% (I'll go lower than that 44%) of the undrafted guys make it you have 120 or four times as many.  The Pats have had as good a record with UDFA as anyone in football and I'd expect at least two of them to make this team and another one or two ending up on the practice squad and maybe one or two on PUP (see ya next year).

     

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

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    First off i really like JE and i hope he does indeed make the final roster, but i just dont see it happening. Here's my reasoning: 1. He can't stay healthy for long stretches, he's been injured the past couple seasons, and you cant make a consistent impact on ir or the bench, 2. The length and amount of his contract. (1 year 700,000+ no promises w/incentives) thats basically peanuts compared to what the other guys are signed for, that the pats have brought in. 3. I keep reading that he's a lock for a roster spot because he's the only receiver( not including Slater) that Brady has thrown to in the past, thats all very valid, but i look at the situation this way. If BB was overly worried about rapport and continuity between brady and his receivers welker nor would lloyd be gone, and i dont see them rushing to sign branch and stallworth either; the 'OPEN MAN" is the rapport and continuity that he wants; also the fact that he's on a 1 year prove it contract further buffers the idea that they do want him and value him to a certain degree but he's still very expendable. 4. TJ MOE!!! they really like him alot and i think he's JE's replacment, I do think BB is trying to challenge TB just as much as he"s trying to challenge his entire staff including himself to get it right at the receiver positions this time with younger options. All of this is just "my opinion", sprinkled with a few facts. Let me know what you guys think.


    After Danny Amendola, the Pats number 2 receiver will be either Edleman or Dobson. Of course I am not including the TEs

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    I haven't read this entire thread.  I will say this.  Edelman's contract suggests he is not a roster lock.

     
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    Tenace4life I understand there are some great players in the league who started out as UDFA's. However lets not get carried away and try to preach in such a condescending manner. The examples you mentioned above are the exception rather than the rule. All I am saying is the odds of an UDFA making a team are stacked way against the player. Some folks in here speak about TJ Moe as if he was a first or second round draft pick! Just saying he will be lucky to make the team.

     

     Agreed,

    And if Moe does make the team, it will be as a special teams specialist!

     




     

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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    don't see them carrying only 3 TEs either......but agree with most of your other premise.

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    Russ...bb has not historically carried 3 te's, especially since he started running more 2 TE sets. last year we carried 4 I believe, in gronk, Hern, fells and hooman. We may have even at some time carried 5 if you include Winslow for that 1-2 game span. Bottomline, IF bb continues his strategy utilizing multiple te's on the field together, he will need 4, especially if you consider that 3 of our top te's all have injury histories and are coming off injuries. 

    I think bb may go light at rb to insure he gets another TE or WR on the roster. Depends how much they like moe for example, who they IR, who they can keep on the PS and who stands out in camp. Too early to tell anything at the moment, but my guess, based on what bb has done in the past, who he drafted this year, who was signed, etc...is that he keeps 4 rb's (Ridley, Vereen, boldin, Washington), 4 TE's (gronk, Hern, Ballard, hooman), 5 WR's (amendola, Dobson, Boyce, Hawkins, slater)...Edelman goes on pup to start season. Moe goes on IR, bb keeps another rb and TE on the PS, cuts fells, Blount, Jenkins, jones. 

     
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    Re: Julian Edleman will not make the final roster

    As long as he is fully healthy I would think he would make it.

    If he is even just marginally nicked up, the Pats might simply be tired of it and move on.

     

     

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