Julius Peppers?

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    Julius Peppers?

    Why is everyone obsessed with this guy?  He was good for a couple of seasons a few years ago, but hasnt done anything in a very long time.

    Even if he came to NE do you actually think he would be effective.  Did we forget about AT? 
     
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    Peppers is a better pass rusher and all around defender than Thomas though. I don't think I'd compare the two but I get your point. Here's the deal. If we wanted to deal for Peppers it would cost us the Oakland number 1 plus another goodie like a low first or high 2nd.. I heard the GM of Carolina talking before the season and he was pretty straight forward about what it would take. I'm not sure if it's worth it. What do you think?
     
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    Nope!  Too old and inconsistent.  I would have done that for Demarcus Ware, not Peppers.

    Any other free agents out there?
     
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    [QUOTE]Nope!  Too old and inconsistent.  I would have done that for Demarcus Ware, not Peppers. Any other free agents out there?
    Posted by patsfaninsatx[/QUOTE]

    I found this list on another message board.

    Here is a list of DL that are free agents next year who would you guys go after.Elvis Dumervil,Aaron Kampman,Mark Anderson,Ray Edwards, Anthony Montgomery, Marcus Spears,Darryl Tapp,Vince Wilfork,Ryan Pickett,Johnny Jolly,Tony Brown,Barry Cofield, Kedric Golston,Tank Johnson, Travis Johnson,Clifton Ryan,Tank Tyler,

    I like that Guy Wilfork..LOL.. I hope we can get him

    Not a lot there to write home about. We may want to focus on the draft.
     
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    We discussed this this past summer and its still my feeling that Peppers is to expensive plus you're asking him to go from a hand on the ground rusher to a OLBer and cover space I don't think he could do it and I don't want the Pats to pay that much for an older player and put him in a new position.




     
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    [QUOTE]We discussed this this past summer and its still my feeling that Peppers is to expensive plus you're asking him to go from a hand on the ground rusher to a OLBer and cover space I don't think he could do it and I don't want the Pats to pay that much for an older player and put him in a new position.
    Posted by harleyroadking103[/QUOTE]

    I'm with you..he's an icon in Carolina so they are completely delusional about his worth. There really isn't going to be much out there. I hope we draft wisely.
     
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    [QUOTE]Why is everyone obsessed with this guy?  He was good for a couple of seasons a few years ago, but hasnt done anything in a very long time. Even if he came to NE do you actually think he would be effective.  Did we forget about AT? 
    Posted by patsfaninsatx[/QUOTE]

    this is the first time his name has been mentioned in a while.....why now?
     
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    Sign VW, get Pryor and Brace in the offseason program and draft another stud.

    Question, is Seymore a free agent? if he is why not try to sign him at a lower cost than his previous contract. We'd have him back plus the '11 draft pick.



     
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    [QUOTE]Sign VW, get Pryor and Brace in the offseason program and draft another stud. Question, is Seymore a free agent? if he is why not try to sign him at a lower cost than his previous contract. We'd have him back plus the '11 draft pick.
    Posted by harleyroadking103[/QUOTE]

    He is as a matter of fact. I didn't think about that because it didn't seem plausible. If I were an Oakland fan and that happened I'd end it all right there.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Julius Peppers? : this is the first time his name has been mentioned in a while.....why now?
    Posted by m1020us[/QUOTE]


    I have been posting on different topics in regards to the loss in NO last night and there as been alot of complaints about the pass rush.  Peppers name keeps getting brought up.  Between that and all the old posts I was just curious to know why so many people want to add him to the Pats.
     
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    To ALL:

    Some Thoughts~

    First (I'll hold my breath for this fallout): IF it's gonna take the very highest DL money (not the highest NT $), Let Wilfork walk.  EVERY year I've been following the Draft, Closer to the Pat's usual Draft slot-area, I've seen more and more quality DTs (especially next year), AND Less and less top-notch OLBs that can rush the passer as well as drop back into coverage as well as many less 3-4 DEs that all have the trademark skills.  ALSO, Pats proved wih Ted Washington that You can put a rather nominally skilled player that has all the trademark physical attributes, At 3-4 NT, and have a nasty D and still Win SBs...  FURTHER, Let alone How someone like even Mike Wright can man the NT spot just fine AND be more of a pass-rushing threat than Wilfork has.  Mind You ALL, This is all said in light of the ridiculously booku dollars it very well will probably take to keep Vince, THAT CAN and SHOULD Be Spent on QUALITY Free Agents and QUALITY Draft Picks:

    NOT Only WILL this team next year need a couple starting positions filled, like a very good Starting Guard (potentially 2 for Brady), BUT a good starting CB, BUT This Team ALREADY needs and thus, also WILL NEED SEVERAL MAJOR Positional Upgrades...Starting OLB, #2 WR/All-Purpose TE, 3-4 DE, AND a freakin' RB worthy of being in the League.  AND some of You Guys want to spend half the cap on Vince Wilfork...good, good. 

    I'll just expound on the pass-rushing OLB alone here...Look, Pat's have gotta get to the opposing team's QB.  Regarding the rumors of getting Demarcus Ware this past off-season, There is NO reason that BB shouldn't have pulled that trade.  He's still young, something like 27, has that perfect archetypal size for a 3-4 OLB @ 6'4 @ 265lbs.  Someone else had a quote awhile back like, "IF You Draft (or acquire) to man Your Team with solely 2nd or 3rd or 7th rd talent, You're gonna play like a 2nd tier team."  Ware has shown he can get and HAS rather consistantly been able to get to the QB in his short time in the league... 

    WITH the sheer amount of wasted cap money, and much, much moreso-wasted picks BB has dished out piecemeal for mediocre role players/contract year band-aids (Tampa's TE-1 pick, Philly's WR-1 pick, Oakland's OLB/DE-2 picks, and I believe 1 more), Jesus, Demarcus Ware just might be in a Patriot uni right now, OR Pats probably coulda moved up to acquire their 1st rd pass-rushing specialist OLB or 3-4 DE, OR Pats certainly would have an early 2nd rd top-notch #2 WR... 

    NOT only has BB been far too frugal in Free Agency these days, BUT, He NEVER even combines (we had 12 picks last year) all or any of these picks in order in order to move up in the Draft to acquire the very top-tier highest quality guys.  Orakpo or Cushing (he!! even Clay Matthews would have fit pretty nice) @ OLB, a big fast back like Chris Wells @ RB... 

    AND what about that #2 WR we critically needed and still need?  To Further prove that Belichick is just a tad too rigid in not Drafting high, And/Or His excessive mantra about EVERY Draftee having an exactly fixed value, BB accurately judged how good WR Percy Harvin was...BUT So did Minnesotta, who picked him a single spot before the Pats (He currently leads all rookie WRs in TDs and yards and KR # and average-all vs some decent WRs in the class last year to boot)... 

    ~My overall point IS that, WE have MANY areas of need, and Pats can't afford to spend ALL the Money on the supposed A-#1 Complete and Total Best single player (i.e. Vince Wilfork), BUT BB in being far, far too rigid in the frugality of picks, money spent, and talent, Isn't even getting ANY of even the top-tier of talented guys, getting rather, next to ZERO true Impact-Players for the Pats and way way too many masses bargain-basement band-aids...

             

     
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    Ware is better than Peppers and he signed long term extension with the Cowpokes. Time to look elsewhere. We need an exceptional OLB to provide a pass rush. When we had Willie Mac we crushed teams.
     
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    [QUOTE]To ALL : Some Thoughts ~ First (I'll hold my breath for this fallout): IF it's gonna take the very highest DL money (not the highest NT  $), Let Wilfork walk.  EVERY year I've been following the Draft, Closer to the Pat's usual Draft slot-area, I've seen more and more quality DTs ( especially next year), AND Less and less top-notch OLBs that can rush the passer as well as drop back into coverage as well as many less 3-4 DEs that all have the trademark skills.  ALSO , Pats proved wih Ted Washington that You can put a rather nominally skilled player that has all the trademark physical attributes, At 3-4 NT, and have a nasty D and still Win SBs...  FURTHER , Let alone How someone like even Mike Wright can man the NT spot just fine AND be more of a pass-rushing threat than Wilfork has.   Mind You ALL, This is all said in light of the ridiculously booku dollars it very well will probably take to keep Vince, THAT CAN and SHOULD Be Spent on QUALITY Free Agents and QUALITY Draft Picks : NOT Only WILL this team next year need a couple starting positions filled, like a very good  Starting Guard (potentially 2 for Brady), BUT a good starting CB , BUT This Team ALREADY needs and thus, also WILL NEED SEVERAL MAJOR Positional Upgrades... Starting OLB , #2 WR/All-Purpose TE , 3-4 DE , AND a freakin' RB worthy of being in the League .  AND some of You Guys want to spend half the cap on Vince Wilfork...good, good.  I'll just expound on the pass-rushing OLB alone here...Look, Pat's have gotta get to the opposing team's QB.  Regarding the rumors of getting Demarcus Ware this past off-season, There is NO reason that BB shouldn't have pulled that trade.  He's still young, something like 27, has that perfect archetypal size for a 3-4 OLB @ 6'4 @ 265lbs.  Someone else had a quote awhile back like, " IF You Draft (or acquire) to man Your Team with solely 2nd or 3rd or 7th rd talent, You're gonna play like a 2nd tier team ."  Ware has shown he can get and HAS rather consistantly been able to get to the QB in his short time in the league...  WITH the sheer amount of wasted cap money, and much, much moreso-wasted picks BB has dished out piecemeal for mediocre role players/contract year band-aids (Tampa's TE-1 pick, Philly's WR-1 pick, Oakland's OLB/DE-2 picks, and I believe 1 more), Jesus, Demarcus Ware just might be in a Patriot uni right now, OR Pats probably coulda moved up to acquire their 1st rd pass-rushing specialist OLB or 3-4 DE, OR Pats certainly would have an early 2nd rd top-notch #2 WR...  NOT only has BB been far too frugal in Free Agency these days, BUT, He NEVER even combines (we had 12 picks last year) all or any of these picks in order in order to move up in the Draft to acquire the very top-tier highest quality guys.  Orakpo or Cushing (he!! even Clay Matthews would have fit pretty nice) @ OLB , a big fast back like Chris Wells @ RB ...  AND what about that #2 WR we critically needed and still need?  To Further prove that Belichick is just a tad too rigid in not Drafting high, And/Or His excessive mantra about EVERY Draftee having an exactly fixed value, BB accurately judged how good WR Percy Harvin was...BUT So did Minnesotta, who picked him a single spot before the Pats (He currently leads all rookie WRs in TDs and yards and KR # and average-all vs some decent WRs in the class last year to boot)...  ~ My overall point IS that, WE have MANY areas of need, and Pats can't afford to spend ALL the Money on the supposed A-#1 Complete and Total Best single player (i.e. Vince Wilfork), BUT BB in being far, far too rigid in the frugality of picks, money spent, and talent, Isn't even getting ANY of even the top- tier of talented guys, getting rather, next to ZERO true Impact-Players for the Pats and way way too many masses bargain-basement band-aids...          
    Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium[/QUOTE]

    Good post. I agree. For the mega$ it would take to sign fork, we could probably upgrade 3-4 other positions. The dropoff from fork to whomever replaces him should be much less than leaving the 2-3 other "needs" unadressed. 

    We desperately need OLBs or DEs who can pass rush (like AT was supposed to do), a shut down corner and upgrades at RT and RG, just for starters.

    Against guys like brees, manning and rivers, you have absolutely no chance at all  if they can stand back there, untouched, all day.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Julius Peppers? : I found this list on another message board. Here is a list of DL that are free agents next year who would you guys go after. Elvis Dumervil ,Aaron Kampman,Mark Anderson,Ray Edwards, Anthony Montgomery , Marcus Spears ,Darryl Tapp,Vince Wilfork,Ryan Pickett,Johnny Jolly,Tony Brown,Barry Cofield, Kedric Golston ,Tank Johnson, Travis Johnson ,Clifton Ryan,Tank Tyler, I like that Guy Wilfork..LOL.. I hope we can get him Not a lot there to write home about. We may want to focus on the draft.
    Posted by ewhite1065[/QUOTE]

    Dumervil and Kampman would be good pickups.  I think they need to retain Wilfork.  As bad as he played against the double teams he faced last night, I can't imagine trying to replace him.  He's struggling in part because Seymour isn't there and Warren doesn't always command double teams the way Big Sey did.

    BUT

    If there's no cap, then teams get two franchise tags and playoff teams can't sign free agents until losing a free agent to another team (weird, right?).
     
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    Little Bill Belichick coached as if he was asleep, passing up FGs, going for it on 4th & 4, and pulling the plug and conceding the game instead of playing 60 minutes. Yes, they were down 21 with 5:26 left, but when you have Tom Brady and Randy Moss and 2 timeouts, why give up? I doubt Peyton Manning comes out of the game if the Colts are down 21 with 5:26 to play and two timeouts.


    I tend to think Little Bill was afraid if he didn't throw in the towel that the Saints would keep playing full throttle and score 52 on him. And Little Bill only likes it when he's on the giving end of such scores.


    He's a punk.

     
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    "Good post. I agree. For the mega$ it would take to sign fork, we could probably upgrade 3-4 other positions. The dropoff from fork to whomever replaces him should be much less than leaving the 2-3 other "needs" unadressed."

    ~LOL...Sure alfie, I could have adequately come to my overall 6 pages of points he way You better did in 2 sentences, but I had an hour and a half to kill.  Seriously though, You said what I was attempting to say in that epic.  First, We're assuming there's Team Cap-limits next year, and The League doesn't go to he!!, and if there isn't one, either way I doubt Kraft would simply chip-in in excess of say-an extra 50 mil than He normally spends each year, vastly cutting into his franchises profits.  SO, If there's still a Team Salary Cap, Agreed...It's beyond idiot!oc to make Wilfork the highest paid Defensive Lineman in League history, Utterly forsaking most probably a good 3 other positions of critical need that could be filled in the Draft and Free Agency, with not The VERY Best Guy, BUT-Top Tier Talent... 

    Like I said, Not only have The Patriots shown in the past (Ted Washington), BUT The Patriots currently still show and currently have (Mike Wright), That the dropoff in talent at 3-4 NT by not keeping Vince Wilfork wouldn't be completely devasting by any means.  AND When You put it in relation to being able to fiscally acquire a pass-rush specialist OLB, a top-notch #2 WR, and say, a 3-4 DE with a complete game-or-an RB beter than anyone we have (all Quality players), IT simply makes far, far more sense having major upgrades @ 3 sorely needed spots rather than vastly overspending on 1...  Most Pats fans don't want to cross this road, yet doing that and letting Vince walk, is the far wiser path to traverse.
       
     
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    [QUOTE]Why is everyone obsessed with this guy?  He was good for a couple of seasons a few years ago, but hasnt done anything in a very long time. Even if he came to NE do you actually think he would be effective.  Did we forget about AT? 
    Posted by patsfaninsatx[/QUOTE] not that i exspect peppers to land here,but did you see AD get run over,and out played by there RB,s and receivers.i dont think peppers is the anwser now,but pure pass rushers are needed,and runstoppers at the edges when the runners hit the sidelines.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Julius Peppers? : not that i exspect peppers to land here,but did you see AD get run over,and out played by there RB,s and receivers.i dont think peppers is the anwser now,but pure pass rushers are needed,and runstoppers at the edges when the runners hit the sidelines.
    Posted by mosseffect43[/QUOTE]

    Yes, the term Saloon doors popped into my head more than once last night.
     
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