Just How Valuable is a Pass-Rusher?

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    in short, in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king

    when tully banta-cain is your king...you are indeed blind...ie...need to find better pass rushers and burgess nor ninkovich are the answer either
     
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    One dimensional pass-rusher is not that important.  Stop the run, drop everyone back in coverage, eventually the QB will make a mistake.
     
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    Hey Jimmy I bet you said the same thing about Vrabel in 2001. You knock Ninkovich now but if he comes out and gives us 5 sacks and a bunch of run stops he will be worth it. Our D does not need to put up huge stats, we didnt when we were winning championships and we dont now. You are only a "no name" till you are a name and when ti happens it happens fast. People didnt think Welker was much until he started catching 100 passes a season and then the thought differently.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life

    well the thing about welker was...he was good but didnt have a qb when he was with us...however ive seen enough of ninkovich to see that his ceiling is where most floors start...but then again...if he makes the team...he isnt likely to see mass amounts of playing time anyways
     
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    I have no idea how Egghead won the MVP last year. Brees was robbed badly. The media just hands it over to Eggie. Remember 2003 when McNair heroically led his team to the playoffs with a broken rib, outperforming Gomer? Unreal. As for Jimmy Jack, pretending Tony SPorano is a good defensive coach as compared to BB is hilarious. Just because Ninkovich didn't get a sniff in New Orleans or Miami, doens't mean he can't play a nice role in a 3-4 in NE under the greatest defensive mind/tutor in NFL history.
    Posted by russgriswold

    well lets see...sparano is an offensive line coach by trade...which is a little different than defense...but hey...no one gives you enough credit for your stupidity

    and ninkovich is a journey man...who isnt very fast and who cant cover...all im going to say is good luck

    anything else dipstick?
     
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    In Response to Re: Just How Valuable is a Pass-Rusher? : Didn't Banta Cain gave a nice game against Jake Long last year in Miami?   Sack, some nice pressures?  Oh, I think so.
    Posted by russgriswold

    oh golly, a sack in two games against

    i bet the phins game plan for him the way teams used to game plan for LT, seriously
     
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    In Response to Re: Just How Valuable is a Pass-Rusher? : Like I said, you pretending Soprano has as much of a chance of grooming a defensive player like Ninkovich or even has remotely near the track record of BB in doing so, is high comedy at its finest. Funny how you try to twist these things around. You are convinced Ninkovich stinks because Miami cut him.  BB apparently does not. This means you feel Soprano is a better coach than BB with what you said.
    Posted by russgriswold

    A. again, sparano was an offensive line coach, ie...wouldnt coach ninkovich unless he learned to block
    B. do you know who the head coach of the phins was in 07? cam cameron...yeah...the a-hole who lead us to 1 win...ie...he is an awful example to use in any case...unless you compare him with the likes of john mccay that is
    C. does it su.ck being wrong as often as you are?
     
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    I completely agree with the fact that it seems as if Peyton gets an MVP just for starting 14 games in a season. As long as no one player in the NFL had a dominant year, Peyton will immediately get the honor. I remember in 2007, the same year Tom broke every offensive statistic in the book, that Peyton Manning actually got a first place vote. It plays into my "most overrated player in NFL history" debate. If the media had a chance of pick the winner of the SB the Colts would have the greatest dynasty ever. We have been led to believe that Peyton is Jesus, and we should thank him everyday that he graces our eyes with his awesomeness. It makes me sick. 

    On the pass-rusher, James, my friend, you say TBC, Burgess, and Ninkovich won't provide a good rush based on what you've seen from them, but you forgot that you've never seen either Shawn Crable or Jermaine Cunningham. Based on pontential, both Crable and Cunningham should be able to create a copacetic pass-rush. 
     
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    What's this copacetic crapp!?  And I mean the word not the pass rush.
     
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    What's this copacetic crapp!?  And I mean the word not the pass rush.
    Posted by garytx


    My English 101 teacher said it means "very satisfactory" when I took E101 in college. 
     
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    Incredibly valuable. Look at the Giants in 07 they are a great example. They had 3 players who were great and could rush and they were down linemen. 

    If the Pats can get a solid above average producer playing at OLB there is no doubt in my mind the secondary looks better and this team overall goes farther places. 
     
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    It will be interesting to see how the Pats do for pass rush this year. Last year we got no real production from our D-Line. Can Ty Warren get back to his pre-2007 form, will Gerard Warren, Damoine Lewis, Mike Wright, or Myron Pryon end up being an upgrade over Jarvis Green? Linebackers will Spikes or McKenzie come in and take away the ILB from Guyton, can Mayo improve upon last year? How will the outside LB position shake out, will Derrick Burgess continue 2010 the way 2009 ended, will Banta-Cain be a 3 down player, can Cunningham or Ninkovich get some playing time in on early downs, can Crable stay healthy and make the club?

    Lots of questions on our front 7 but lots of competition and unknowns. One things for sure I don't see the Pats missing A Thomas this year. Also really believe a lot of questions on this year's D will come back with positive answers that we'll get a DE to play at a higher level than Green, we'll have better ILB play, someone will step up at OLB and improve that position. 
     
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    Seymour and Willie Mac both could rush the passer and play great run D. If the Pats could find (Cunningham MacKenzie ?) or draft players of their calibre we would (once again) have a dominant defense. Not complaining. Just saying is all.

     
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    Jared Allen was a 1-dimensional pass rusher in 2009.  Trent Cole of Philadelphia was just as good a 4-3 pass rusher, but he equally stops the run.
     
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    in short, in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king when tully banta-cain is your king...you are indeed blind...ie...need to find better pass rushers and burgess nor ninkovich are the answer either
    Posted by Jimmy42Jack0

    Banta-Cain got 10 sacks last year.  You're calling him not good because he's not familiar?  Are you the guy that votes all those has-beens into the Pro Bowl every year?
     
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    In Response to Re: Just How Valuable is a Pass-Rusher? : Banta-Cain got 10 sacks last year.  You're calling him not good because he's not familiar?  Are you the guy that votes all those has-beens into the Pro Bowl every year?
    Posted by Paul_K


    Guess I was more curious at why a fan of a team whose defense finished in the bottom 1/3 of the league is talking trash about the Pats D. I'd say worry about your own defense first, they could be the reason why Miami doesn't make the playoffs this year.
     
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    Russ, overall yes, but I might add that Willie played great in some very important games (playoffs). And that has to count for something.
     
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    05 and 06 - Brady didn't deserve it.  Manning was better than Brady and didn't win.  04 Season - Brady didn't come close to outplaying Manning.  Manning broke the TD record.  Belichick was so jealous about how great manning was that when he outfitted Brady with Moss and Welker, he made sure he kept Brady in games long enough to ensure Brady broke those records.  And that year Brady deserved the MVP. 09 - Brees was great and could have won the award, but Manning did not lose one game in which he played the full game.  Not Brees.  As for sacks, sometimes that occurs because a QB holds on to the ball too long.  Milwaukee folks think so.  http://www.jsonline.com/polls/64327212.html?results=y&oid=1&mr=1&cid=8500544&pid=64327212 Really Russ you have to use more than opinion to validate a point.  Your words are meaningless anyway, but at least with a little support we might pay attention a little more.  
    Posted by underdoggggg

    Troll at its finest baby. How does someone not outplay them when they knock them out of the postseason in the most important game? I love how people tend to forget who had the better team that year and better playoff positioning that year for Mr.MVP threw 49 TDs but still got no BYE week and still threw none against the Pats? Yeah outplaying Brady. Go away troll and slurp off Manning some more.

    05-06 Brady didnt out play Manning that year

    07-08 lol they kept them in longer? Yeah no sorry troll its called keeping the lead and playing to win games. Yeah you know since its a 2 TD lead lets call it a day. I think the Pats team this year would have loved to been up 4 TDs. 

     
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    In Response to Re: Just How Valuable is a Pass-Rusher? : Banta-Cain got 10 sacks last year.  You're calling him not good because he's not familiar?  Are you the guy that votes all those has-beens into the Pro Bowl every year?
    Posted by Paul_K

    no, im saying that when considering his time in the league...that last year was more likely a career year than the start of an upward trend....fair enough?
     
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    In Response to Re: Just How Valuable is a Pass-Rusher? : Guess I was more curious at why a fan of a team whose defense finished in the bottom 1/3 of the league is talking trash about the Pats D. I'd say worry about your own defense first, they could be the reason why Miami doesn't make the playoffs this year.
    Posted by Wizardsjag

    A. im not talking trash about the pats D...i just think they didnt do much to improve the pass rush
    B. the phins went out and drafted quite a few front 7 guys, in addition to getting dansby, and added mike nolan to coach up the defense
    C. we got rid of taylor, porter, and wilson who were not producing
    D. the miami d was shredded by injuries last year...if they can manage to stay even a little bit healthier this year...the unit will definitely be improved
     
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    Possible, but doubtful considering he started all the games there back in a BB D and without a good or great DE next to him.  Slap a better playing DE to his left and another year back playing most downs and his good  play is likely more what we will be used to seeing. He's not a Pro Bowl OLB by any means and probably never will be, but he can be consistent and effective. I have to chuckle at fans like you who think Belichick isn't as good of a coach as he's earned in this league for so long.
    Posted by russgriswold

    ok chief, but they didnt slap a better DE next to him

    and BB is good...but you cant turn po.op into creme de la creme everytime...

    right now, he is the best pass rusher on the roster and that should scare everyone...even just a little bit
     
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