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    “This is a special team, a special team when you have a bunch of guys that when things aren’t going good we get closer instead of pulling apart,” said Tebow, who grates on some people because he’s openly religious. “The No. 1 reason we are like that is because we believe in each other, we believe in the coaching staff.”
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      Fantastic statement by a fantastic teammate, with equally solid teammates.  Notice the absence of the hocus pocus.  They are not enabled or disabled by anything other then themselves.  Isn't accountability great!  

     
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    In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Thanks for your post. Unlike you apparently, I deal with reality and not some contrived imagining. This thread is as real as your "non-believer" heart, Tebow's faith in a living God and the Patriots scheduled date in Denver. Because I DON'T have a problem with media (I tend to sweat over the things I actually have control over and media is not one of them) nor Tim Tebow's display of his faith this thread seems to leave you with your own problem over his display of his faith. My suggestion? Own your own issues. I hope you have a great week!
    Posted by WesternOregon

    @WesternOregon - Reality?  Please provide evidence that can be verified by any non-biased third party.
    You didn't answer my question.  Would you mind an outspoken atheist getting such attention and injecting his worldview into football?  Would you?  I would.  Just as I don't like Tebow doing it.
    Lastly, you started the thread, so if anything it is YOUR issue. 
    Ever look in a mirror?
     
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    In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : @WesternOregon - Reality?  Please provide evidence that can be verified by any non-biased third party. You didn't answer my question.  Would you mind an outspoken atheist getting such attention and injecting his worldview into football?  Would you?  I would.  Just as I don't like Tebow doing it. Lastly, you started the thread, so if anything it is YOUR issue.  Ever look in a mirror?
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    This condescending old fool is the same poster who labels Boston Sport fans as "Yocals", who can't think outside the Boston box, if they disagree with him.
    Hypocrisy at it's finest!
     
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    In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Athesism wouldn't even get reported, it would be swept under the rug.
    Posted by wozzy


      This is because atheists or people who don't proscribe to an exclusive religion tend not to rally as feverishly and tend not to want to defeat others when they disagree with them.  they are more rational and therefore a more difficult pot to stir.  Generally they are a more peaceful bunch than the zealots who find refuge in the thought that the ones unlike them will suffer a horrible fate, and that this will somehow justify the fact that they didn't believe they could cure the troubles of the world.  Many Atheists, if anything, are not quite the defeatists that Christians can be.  

     if Tebow is on the sidelines in prayer and a joyful teammate comes over to give him a hug, yet Tebow is too enveloped in prayer to reciprocate, is he rejecting god?  Probably not either way he'd choose, so why not get over yourself and just give the guy a hug in the moment.     
     
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    The only time it really bothers me is when someone is forcing their religion on someone else.
    Posted by CaptainZdeno33


    +1.  I grew up in a Catholic family and pretty quickly decided religion wasn't for me, but I don't begrudge anyone their own religious beliefs as long as they're not in my face about it.
     
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    Here is my problem with Tebow, not with Tebow actually, but more with the Tebow fanatics.  Against the Jets Tebow's offense scored 10 points, against the Chargers Tebow's offense scored 16 points in 5 quarters. 

    Go back through the past couple of weeks and see how many teams win with 10 or 13 offensive points, here is a clue, not many.  Tebow is in all out game manager and don't do anything to lose the game mode and the defense has put together an incredible string of games, against sputtering offenses like the Chiefs, Jets, and Chargers. 

    Anyone who thinks what the Broncos are currently doing is a recipe for prolonged NFL success is delusional.  You can't have an offense that scores 13 points a game and expect to keep winning.  Mad props to the Broncos D!
     
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    I grew up in a Catholic family and pretty quickly decided religion wasn't for me, but I don't begrudge anyone their own religious beliefs as long as they're not in my face about it.
    Posted by Yukon-Cornelius


    Believe what you choose. Tim Tebow's faith is neither in religion nor the originator of one. His faith rests in God. Again, we have someone (Yukon-Cornelius) on this thread who is twisting the issue. If you think that God relies on men for their praise or if you think that God defines faith by religious affiliation or if you think that knowing God can happen by hearing what others say about God you are mistaken and you think without a discerning mind. It is clear, if YOU seek God YOU WILL find God.

    Having faith, as Tim Tebow does, is not like being a Patriots fan.

    Yukon-Cornelius, you appear to have judged God, by what you see or saw in your parents and in the Catholic church.

    Knowing of God is what religion (your Catholic parents and church mates) told you. But KNOWING God is entirely different. Know Him before you say He's "not for me"...

    If you feel Tebow is in your face now (and he isn't) wait until God returns to pass true judgement on those who know Him not.

     
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    [QUOTING BelichickforPresident]Reality?  Please provide evidence that can be verified by any non-biased third party. You have eloquently described yourself as a "non-believer", Tim Tebow's faith is real ( "I feel like anytime I get the opportunity to give the Lord some praise, He is due for it because of what He did for me and what he did for us on the cross for all of us."), and finally the Patriots play the Broncos 12/18/2012. 

    You didn't answer my question.  Would you mind an outspoken atheist getting such attention and injecting his worldview into football?  Would you?
     I refuse to answer for one reason, it is irrelevant to the discussion. 

    I would.
     ...and the fact that you "would" mind, this proves nothing and doesn't justify you judging Tim Tebow...you would be the more like of us two to judge anyone in any given circumstance. 

    Lastly, you started the thread, so if anything it is YOUR issue. It merely makes me the originator. You claimed to be the "non-believer" which begs the question, "Non-believer in who?"


     
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    I am not the type to preach about religion to the people around me.  This makes Tebow a tough subject... but this is what I see.  Here is a fella that makes it obvious he feels confident in himself and his abilities.  He feels a connection with God and religion.  He wears it on his sleeve... like a tattoo for everyone to see... all of the time.  He wants everyone else to understand that he is thankful to a higher power for his abilities and opportunities.  This isn't really a bad thing to most people, because most people have a connection to some set of beliefs... but several people are annoyed by it.  Is he using his celebrity as a platform?  Absolutely.  Is it Ok?  Maybe not.  Is it good for football?  I think it's been good for the Broncos.  I have watched a lot of the "Tebow games" and it has been impressive to see how this team rallies around his leadership.  I can't say I've ever seen a defense step up the way they have the past 5-6 weeks, given these kind of circumstances, since Brady took the reigns.  They seem inspired by the guy.

    I have to admit it's a lot of fun watching a running back play QB.  I don't care if the kid gets 100 games under his belt.  He's an RB trying to complete the occasional pass.  If you watch enough NFL games, you will see why he's on the field.  After rating the top 10 QB's in the league the talent drops so far down that many teams should look at what the Broncos are doing, and take note.  Defenses can't figure out when he's going to throw, so it's fortunate to them that he's so inaccurate.  He's an excellent runner, and protects the ball very well.  I think we're gonna see that Tebowing thing for several years
     
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    Tebow is not forcing you to accept his position -though he is correct- he's just expressing it. The people that are trying to get all of us to accept, condone, and embrace their position is the homosexual community. Being queer is a behavior, not a race, and yet they want us to invalidate the true meaning of family by accepting on a national level, their erroneous position on family values. I hope Tebow wins a SB, so he express his position more.     

     
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    Tebow is not forcing you to accept his position -though he is correct- he's just expressing it. The people that are trying to get all of us to accept, condone, and embrace their position is the homosexual community. Being queer is a behavior, not a race, and yet they want us to invalidate the true meaning of family by accepting on a national level, their erroneous position on family values. I hope Tebow wins a SB, so he express his position more.     
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    IRRELEVANT PERSONAL FOUL...


    ...did anyone see this flagrant foul coming? Flags are everywhere...
     
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    Tebow is not forcing you to accept his position -though he is correct- he's just expressing it. The people that are trying to get all of us to accept, condone, and embrace their position is the homosexual community. Being queer is a behavior, not a race, and yet they want us to invalidate the true meaning of family by accepting on a national level, their erroneous position on family values. I hope Tebow wins a SB, so he express his position more.     
    Posted by jbolted


    Ok, way to force your position....You know for a fact that being queer is a behavior because many believe they are born that way.
    Even if that's not true, being a criminal is a behavior.  Yet, the incarcerated are allowed to marry and is an acceptable practice.
    Where do the family values come into play there? 
    Should a murderer have more rights than a law abiding person who happens to love someone of the same sex?
    Interracial marriages were frowned upon not too long ago.  (maybe still are)
    Just because you don't agree, doesn't make it wrong. It just makes it wrong for you.  It's not up to you to judge.
    That's the Christian way.  (or should be)
     
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    In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Believe what you choose. Tim Tebow's faith is neither in religion nor the originator of one. His faith rests in God. Again, we have someone (Yukon-Cornelius) on this thread who is twisting the issue. If you think that God relies on men for their praise or if you think that God defines faith by religious affiliation or if you think that knowing God can happen by hearing what others say about God you are mistaken and you think without a discerning mind. It is clear, if YOU seek God YOU WILL find God. Having faith, as Tim Tebow does, is not like being a Patriots fan. Yukon-Cornelius, you appear to have judged God, by what you see or saw in your parents and in the Catholic church. Knowing of God is what religion (your Catholic parents and church mates) told you. But KNOWING God is entirely different. Know Him before you say He's "not for me"... If you feel Tebow is in your face now (and he isn't) wait until God returns to pass true judgement on those who know Him not.
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    Dude, you're reading too much into my reply.  I have no problem with Tim Tebow and how he wears his religious beliefs on his own sleeve - he's not in my face with anything.  I was speaking more in general terms.  Clear now?

    You, however, are in my face about your religious beliefs.  So chill out, will ya?  This is a football forum, not a religious forum. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Believe what you choose. Tim Tebow's faith is neither in religion nor the originator of one. His faith rests in God. Again, we have someone (Yukon-Cornelius) on this thread who is twisting the issue. If you think that God relies on men for their praise or if you think that God defines faith by religious affiliation or if you think that knowing God can happen by hearing what others say about God you are mistaken and you think without a discerning mind. It is clear, if YOU seek God YOU WILL find God. Having faith, as Tim Tebow does, is not like being a Patriots fan. Yukon-Cornelius, you appear to have judged God, by what you see or saw in your parents and in the Catholic church. Knowing of God is what religion (your Catholic parents and church mates) told you. But KNOWING God is entirely different. Know Him before you say He's "not for me"... If you feel Tebow is in your face now (and he isn't) wait until God returns to pass true judgement on those who know Him not.
    Posted by WesternOregon


    Holding up Yukon's post just shows what a hypocrite you are. All he's saying is the same thing most non Christians say. We don't care who or what you worship but we do care when you try to force us to adhere to your dogma. You and many Evangelicals are under the impression that you have a God given right to save us in spite of ourselves. Any time someone speaks against that you immediately break out the martyr coat and wrap yourself in it. You DO NOT have the right to force your religeon on others. Case closed.
     
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    Now that we have faith and sexual orientation in here, lets go after the races and the Jews, that aught to just about make this the most useless SPORT thread I have ever seen!
     
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    Now that we have faith and sexual orientation in here, lets go after the races and the Jews, that aught to just about make this the most useless SPORT thread I have ever seen!
    Posted by gmbill


    We could discuss curling. That's sport isn't it. Then there's driving on 93 and 128. Way tougher sport than NASCAR
     
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    Great thread with good discussion.  A few points:

      “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

     

    Sums it up for me.  I use Kurt Warner as my guide here, he acknowleged his faith, but didn't beat me to death with it.
    Davedsone

    Thats an excellent piece to quote. So true and what i always tell folks. Do your prayer in private. Noone needs to see it. Your heart is known by the most high
    JayShizzle45

    This scripture is telling people not to pray to be seen by men.  I can’t read his heart, but I don’t think Tebow is praying to be praised by men.  I think he’s sincere in trying to please God  I can’t imagine he likes the attention (negative) he receives.

    The only time it really bothers me is when someone is forcing their religion on someone else
    CaptainZdeno33

    Agree fully CZ. 
    Cables WyndBairn

    How's Tebow forcing his religion on you? You can always look away after he scores. I doubt Tebow is converting you by you watching his routines.
    Saigonsmuggler

    But I guess that's the problem most people have with religions, they insist on force feeding it to you when all you wanted to talk about is football.
    wozzy

    Nobody can force religion on anybody.  Even if I hold a gun to your head and demand that you believe, you would say you believe, but just so I don’t shoot you.  There would be no real change in your heart, just an outward statement that means nothing.  Christianity requires a change of heart, down in the spirit.  Can we please stop with “stop force feeding me” argument.  It’s impossible and it’s an entire smokescreen to blur the real issue.

     

    …who says every religious guy has to be like Kurt Warner
    CaptainZdeno33

    True.  Expressions of faith are not cookie cutter and have an element of individualism.

    The more I looked and thought it's because he's a better person than I am. He does things for others, he helps build churches in the Phillipines, he works with underprivaledged children, he goes to hospitals and sits with the dying, he truly cares about people and 99% of the rest of us don't.
    Sam-Adams

    I like Tebow. He's certainly a better guy than I am and I would also agree that I never hear anyone on the radio say anything good about him. It's usually ridicule and sometimes pertaining to his beliefs. If I had children He's one athlete I wouldn't mind having them use as a role model. Not specifically because of the religion but this guy does charity work like there is no tomorrow. He's also a pretty good football player.
    Rerun85

    Being a good guy doesn’t get you into heaven.  Tebow doesn’t do good deeds to get to heaven, he does good deeds because he’s going to heaven.  If you could earn your way into heaven, Jesus would never have had to come down and die on the cross.  You can’t earn it.  It’s the ultimate free lunch.  If you could earn it, God would owe it to you, and God owes no man anything.


    I'm not a fan of anyone who pimps his religion in front of TV cameras.
    nolastname

    Everyone else pimps everything they can in front of cameras.  Do you have trouble with that as well?  Why just religion?

    Good words. But I've even heard him say he doesn't want his faith to be a role model for kids, he feels the kids should direct to Christ for the role model.

    Yes, men can be a sign on the highway, but not the destination

    I grew up a catholic, did the alter boy thing, ect. ect. But in 1971 I listened to the first three records by Black Sabbath, and that's where i really began to understand religion.
    And the funny thing is Black Sabbath was not only the first heavy metal band, but one could consider them the first Christian rock bamd, as they sang songs that warned of evil, and the teachings of Christ, and of peace.
    KansasPatriot

    Interesting, never heard that before.

     

    I agree and for that matter, how do we know Jesus was a good carpenter?
    gmbill

    Well, he made the world.  I’m thinking he could put a chair or two together.

    One more time, folks, the ONLY reason we are so aware of Tebow's love of his faith is because the MEDIA continually asks him about it…
    Time to get off the Hate Tebow For His Profession Of Faith.
    AZPAT

    Not a ding, just a clarification.  He has a love of God, not of faith.  He does have a profession of faith about his God.

    Considering Jesus is the son of God (hence is part of God) and there is a little rule about not idealizing someone/thing to the same level as God wouldn't this mean all those looking at Tebow as if he was Jesus are in fact breaking commandments?
    PatsEng

    Don’t think they’re looking at him as Jesus, they’re just happy a Christian is doing well, or at least winning games.

    last i heard, this is america and we are free to practice religion anyway we want so long as it does not harm anyone.
    Yes, if people could just remember there are two clauses, one for the establishment of religion and one for the free exercise thereof.  It’s freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.


    maybe the reason peple get unconfomfortable with him is this...
    he is living his life for a higher purpose
    we are defensive about the fact that we don't live our life for a higher purpose
    SeattlePat70

    Agree.  In that instance he is a good example

    I really don't think Jesus cares about football or any sport!!! I wonder what people would be saying if a player started praising Allah? I'm sure it would cause some controversy.
    laurienyc13

    Jesus cares about everything in our lives.  And we won’t know about the Muslim player until one steps up and does it.

    I think it was true it was people like you that crucified Christ…
    hang3xc
    Good lyrics except for the above.  In actuality, every single one of us killed Christ.  He died for ALL our sins and sin without exception.

     It's amazing how much time Jesus spent denying he was divine, not denying God himself.
    BrocktonMike

    “Before Abraham was, I am….”

    In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Amen Brother! This is sports, something I enjoy in part as a distraction politics where at least three presidential candidates hear voices they presume are God whose told them to run the country.  To beleive that with all of the starvation, rape, mass muder, slavery, drought, etc. . .  Yes, God takes off Sunday, (and Monday & Thursdays nights) to pick winners & losers in sporting events.  Now if only those darn Jets, or Raiders, or Chiefs prayed harder God would favor them more.  Yeah, that's what decides winners & losers.
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    God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent.  He never ties or takes a day off.  He can pick winners while caring for millions of starving children.  Don’t have such a small concept of Him.

     

    Agreed. Tebow is sacrilege. And so is Tebow worship. Anyone who is truly Christian wouldn't even watch professional football because it truly defiles the Sabbath.
    zbellino
    The Sabbath is, and always has been on Saturday.  Sunday is the Lord’s day. 

     

    Greed and lust for power aren't either but that doesn't seem to bother the Evangelical right. They're all hypocrites.
    Evil2012
    Exactly why we need a savior.  There room for you and everyone else too.

    And yet some of them quote evidence as to why greed is good, abandoning their fellow man is not bad, prejudice, hatred, war are all justified, all from the Bible itself. 

    I have not been to that Church.

    " ... in these last days there are pickers and choosers of God's words who cannot endure the practical part of scripture; they are disgusted at duty, they abhor responsibilty, they disembowel texts of their plain meanings, they wrest Scriptures to their own destruction." Ps 17
    zbellino
    Z – I don’t know what Bible you’re reading, but that ain’t Psalm 17, not even close.  What’s up with that???

     

    This uproar of him being in your face reminds me of awhile back when the Dean of a college (Harvard I think) banned any military recruiters from coming on campus. Not that I think people should join the military, but I find it absurd that even being asked was so offensive to people that they would go to great lengths to "fight the tyranny" they were being subjected to. And Tebow doesn't even go so far as to ask you to be a Christian (god forbid), he simply promoted that he thinks it has been a positive effect in his life.
    I'm picturing alot of people sitting around the thanksgiving table this year and when Uncle Joe says "Wow, this is some great turkey" they respond
    "Screw you Uncle Joe!, Why are you always trying to push your pro-turkey agenda on me. Get out of my face with all this turkey is great, turkey is the only way to live. You're such a hypocrite, just last week I saw you eating chicken. If you like turkey so much why do you feel the need to come out here in public and eat it, can't you just do it at home alone and let the rest of us live our lives. Go to heII."
    Shenanigan
    Thanks for that.  That was funny

     

    Keeping recruiters off of campuses, something I support, isn't about 'tyranny' or being offended ... it's about letting young people grow up a bit before they make a heavy decision that could alter their lives forever.
    zbellino
    So I’m assuming by these words you have issues with schools handing out condoms to 5th graders????

     

    until religion is used to persecute and to physically harm, and to commit genocide. which is everyday (including by christians).
    brdbreu
    If you’re including Christians that say they are, but really aren’t, then ok.  But Christians currently aren’t using force to change people’s hearts.

    Just sayin'...

    What would be American society's reaction if Tebow were Jewish and sat out on a Saturday game for his faith? 

    Or if Tebow were Muslim and kneeled and bowed his head down on the ground in the endzone to thank God?

    Or if Tebow were Hindu and thanked Vishnu and multiple gods for his success?

    Just askin'......
    ipot

    I actually like to see people fervent about their faith as long as they’re not strapping bombs to their children and sending them into markets.  Religious arguments are won by discussion and reason – bringing someone to a conclusion they cannot deny, leading to a change of heart.

     

    Why shouldn't this be enough?  Why can't we still be fulfilled even though we may go "poof" someday and then off into the abyss.  Why should we think that salvation exists somewhere else?  or hinges on the existence of another sphere?
    passfirst

    What do I think of god? The fictional figure head of history's greatest political party.
    zbellino

    Sometimes it’s hard to argue scripture so let me give you a personal story.  When I was young, my family and my uncle’s family messed around with the Ouija board.  Two people (one from each family) could get the thing moving extremely fast.  One person would ask a question, then the thing started moving.  My Dad would write down letters as a fourth person shouted them out.  After the thing stopped moving, my Dad would separate the letters with slashes, into words.  They were real answers (grammatically correct with no mis-spellings) to the questions asked.  This “being” called himself “Loving Spirit”.  We asked him how Grandpa was doing (as well as lots of other questions) and he would say “Paddy is doing fine.  He’s right here.”  You can believe me or not, but I swear to God this is the truth.  I wish my Dad had saved all those papers (I would have written a book about it), but we finally got a clue that demons were behind the whole thing and they are REAL!  Their game is deception.  Now, I know there are demons which leads me to the conclusions that there is a God and He loves us and is doing everything He can to get us into heaven if we would just listen and stop rejecting Him.  He loves big families and heaven is a big place.  Salvation is true and necessary if you ever want to play football in heaven.

    even if tebow is a grandstander is it fair to call a christian a hypocrite because they are not perfect by the bible's standards- you see this charge often from the communists in the press and general public- i don't think practicing christians think they are prefect- i mean didnt they come up with that all that original sin jazz anyways- 
    patthepatriot666
    Christians are perfect in spirit because they have been given new spirits by God, not because they have done anything to deserve it.  But Christians have bodies and minds which are imperfect, that must be controlled by those spirits.  When that doesn’t happen (which is all the time), we have demonstrated sin, which is again, why we need our Savior everyday.

     

    3.) He runs/sponsors hate campaigns on national television
    zbellino
    How is doing a commercial that urges women to keep their child instead of aborting it a hate campaign?  If you were to say abortion is a hate crime, I would have to agree with you.  Actually, it’s a love of self crime, or a love of lifestyle crime that kills innocents.

    The media is anti-Christ not anti-Tebow. Funny when you consider Christians are some of the biggest hypocrites around
    glenr
    Thank God they are saved right?

    Explain then why Christians are constantly spewing hate for those who don't agree with them? They can't even get along with each other.
    glenr
    Again, we need a Savior, just like you and everyone else.

     

    Scripture.
    It's not just for breakfast anymore.

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    P-Mike

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    In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow...:
    In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Dude, you're reading too much into my replyI have no problem with Tim Tebow and how he wears his religious beliefs on his own sleeve - he's not in my face with anything.  I was speaking more in general terms.  Clear now? You, however, are in my face about your religious beliefs.  So chill out, will ya?  This is a football forum, not a religious forum. 
    Posted by Yukon-Cornelius


    You did say, you "quickly decided religion was not for me"...and I read too much into your reply? That's funny. When your religion was out for the count, did God go with it? I apologize for putting a mirror in your face. Sorry.
     
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    In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Good words. But I've even heard him say he doesn't want his faith to be a role model for kids, he feels the kids should direct to Christ for the role model. I grew up a catholic, did the alter boy thing, ect. ect. But in 1971 I listened to the first three records by Black Sabbath, and that's where i really began to understand religion. And the funny thing is Black Sabbath was not only the first heavy metal band, but one could consider them the first Christian rock bamd, as they sang songs that warned of evil, and the teachings of Christ, and of peace.
    Posted by kansaspatriot


      It's funny. i grew up in the 70's also and Black Sabbath were always considered satan worshipers but when you listened to the lyrics it was so much the opposite. Tebow would probably enjoy Black Sabbath (the Ozzy' Sabbath not the Dio one, well not Technical Ecstacy which is awful). Master of Reality is one of the greatest records of all time.
     
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    In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : You did say, you "quickly decided religion was not for me"...and I read too much into your reply? That's funny. When you religion was out for the count, did God go with it? I apologize for putting a mirror in your face. Sorry.
    Posted by WesternOregon


    I didn't say anything about God, so yes, you are reading into things too much.  I said religion - there's a big difference, in my opinion.  Your opinion is different, and that's OK with me.  I don't need what I believe to be foisted upon anybody else, as I'm comfortable with what I believe and how I got to that point. Tebow (and you obviously) have different beliefs from me, and I can accept that.  It doesn't bother me.  What does bother me is somebody getting up in my face about my beliefs and telling me how I should think about religion. 
     
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    He can do whatever he wants, as long as he and everybody else understands that he and those of his persuasion do not have a monoploy on the truth, because of someting they believe but cannot prove.  Its a matter of faith and faith cannot be the truth, it's simply belief  That's my issue, that the religious believe that only they hold the truth and since I'm not talking just about Christians, just how many different versions of the truth can their be and don't get me started on all the myths they espouse.  So go ahead and point to the sky I have no problem with it but I'll be wondering what real interest any God has in a football game or who plays in it and how they fare.  Really....
     
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    In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... :   It's funny. i grew up in the 70's also and Black Sabbath were always considered satan worshipers but when you listened to the lyrics it was so much the opposite. Tebow would probably enjoy Black Sabbath (the Ozzy' Sabbath not the Dio one, well not Technical Ecstacy which is awful). Master of Reality is one of the greatest records of all time.
    Posted by ccnsd


    If you listen to Sabbath records backwards while standing on one foot with your left thumb in your butt supposedly you can hear Satan worship. Or was that the Beatles? Or Def Leppard? Of course if you read the Bible onto tape and then play it backwards you can do the same thing. The trick is someone wants to hear something and listens long enough eventually they'll hear a combination of sounds they can interpet to support their position.

    Remember the Def Leppard suicide lawsuit? The parents claimed their kid killed himself after listening to the same song over and over for days. Yet the parents never thought to go talk to their kid and find out why he was locked in his room listening to the same song over and over for days.
     
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