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    [QUOTE] “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.   6  But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. Sums it up for me.  I use Kurt Warner as my guide here, he acknowleged his faith, but didn't beat me to death with it.
    Posted by Davedsone[/QUOTE]

    Amen Brother!

    This is sports, something I enjoy in part as a distraction politics where at least three presidential candidates hear voices they presume are God whose told them to run the country. 

    To beleive that with all of the starvation, rape, mass muder, slavery, drought, etc. . .  Yes, God takes off Sunday, (and Monday & Thursdays nights) to pick winners & losers in sporting events. 

    Now if only those darn Jets, or Raiders, or Chiefs prayed harder God would favor them more. 

    Yeah, that's what decides winners & losers.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Maybe. I posted this so people might THINK ABOUT why Tim Tebow's actions offend them...I believe it could be for a number of reasons. One reason may be their own attitude toward the one he is pointing to when he points toward the sky. Just sayin'...
    Posted by WesternOregon[/QUOTE]

    No, it's arrogance to think God has picked you out to be better than those around you.  It's why so many of the Republican Presidential Candidates are hard to take seriously.  At least three of them admit to hearing God tell them to run, that they are the best quailified person to lead our country.

    It's amazing how much time Jesus spent denying he was divine, not denying God himself. 



     
     
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    [QUOTE]It's FOOTBALL not a Jesus revival! He can be religious , I really have no problem with his beliefs but I believe that there is a time & place for things, everytime he talks he talks about Jesus & that he loves him, it is a little much., it's a little much. I really don't think Jesus cares about football or any sport!!! I wonder what people would be saying if a player started praising Allah? I'm sure it would cause some controversy.
    Posted by laurienyc13[/QUOTE]


    Hear Hear!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : No, it's arrogance to think God has picked you out to be better than those around you.  It's why so many of the Republican Presidential Candidates are hard to take seriously.  At least three of them admit to hearing God tell them to run, that they are the best quailified person to lead our country. It's amazing how much time Jesus spent denying he was divine, not denying God himself.   
    Posted by BrocktonMike[/QUOTE]

    Oh, really? He never denied who He was. I'm surprised that you would claim that He denied His divinity.  I may be wrong, but when?

    When have I stated that God "picked me out to be better?" When have I referenced myself and my standing? I have merely stated the reason why I posted this thread.
     
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    "I think that when he accepts the fact that we know that he loves Jesus Christ then I think I'll like him a little better." -Jake Plummer

    Can someone help me understand exactly what Jake is saying here?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Amen Brother! This is sports, something I enjoy in part as a distraction politics where at least three presidential candidates hear voices they presume are God whose told them to run the country.  To beleive that with all of the starvation, rape, mass muder, slavery, drought, etc. . .  Yes, God takes off Sunday, (and Monday & Thursdays nights) to pick winners & losers in sporting events.  Now if only those darn Jets, or Raiders, or Chiefs prayed harder God would favor them more.  Yeah, that's what decides winners & losers.
    Posted by BrocktonMike[/QUOTE]

    before you comment on this, could you please take the time to learn what his prayer is all about? it is not what you think it is.
     
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    [QUOTE]"I think that when he accepts the fact that we know that he loves Jesus Christ then I think I'll like him a little better." -Jake Plummer Can someone help me understand exactly what Jake is saying here?
    Posted by WesternOregon[/QUOTE]


    He is saying "we get the point, stop beating it to death" but he shouldn't worry.  By next year, Tebow will be over.  Just look at where Orton is now.
     
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    Tim Tebow Closes National Prayer Breakfast in Prayer, 02/04/2010

    "Dear Jesus, thank you for this day today. Thank you for bringing together so many people that have a platform to influence people for you.

    Lord as we disperse today, let us be united in love, hope, and peace. Lord, let us come together as one and break down all the barriers in between us that separate us. Lord you came to seek and save that which is lost, and we thank you for that. Lord we don’t know what the future holds, but we know who holds the future, and in that there is peace, and in that there is comfort, and in that there is hope.

    Lord we pray for the people all over the world that are hurting right now.

    The verse that comes to mind is James 1: 2-4, "Consider it all joy, my brethren, whenever you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. And let endurance have its perfect result, that you may be perfect and complete lacking in nothing."

    And we pray for the people in Haiti right now Lord, that you make them perfect and complete because you love them and have a plan for their lives, just as you do with our lives now.

    So my prayer, as we leave today, that we are united as one because of you. We love you and thank you. In Jesus name, amen."                                                                                      

     
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    I am actually rooting for TIim Tebow to succeed not for  any personal act or beliefs he has.

    His success will once again prove the so called NFL Experts / Scouts / Pundits wrong. I think 99% of these types have gone  on the record that he was not an NFL QB...he runs and offense that is not just college but old school Big 10 and he cannot succeed.

    I simply love to see it when the consensus beliefs of experts get shot out of the water regardless of the discipline or field. 
     
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    [QUOTE]One more time, folks, the ONLY reason we are so aware of Tebow's love of his faith is because the MEDIA continually asks him about it. They know that the subject is "controversial", and has lots of folks (like us) talking about it. There has NEVER been a time when Tebow called a press conference on his own just to profess his beliefs. There has NEVER been a time when, at the start of any pre or post game interview that he's talked about his beliefs BEFORE the game at hand. Question: If you folks are sick of him "pointing", or taking abrief knee in teh endzone, where's the angst when other players do this? When baseball player hit home plate after just hitting a home run (ever notice how the rarely do this when safely hitting a ball that is not a home run? Or a play on the field?, Or after a strike out?). How about when college players do this and other publically profess where their "thanks" need to go, or how they are truly blessed (by whom?)? Time to get off the Hate Tebow For His Profession Of Faith. In any interview, you know what he's going to say. Either turn the channel or leave the room. Better yet, contact the networks and demand they stay away from any questions that could lead to Tebow's profession of faith. He seems to be the most interviewed/most talked about athlete that is having miserable performances. Why's that? Because he's THE story right now. Can't throw, can't lead, is just 4-1 since taking over at QB. None of eh "experts" can successfully give an answer as to why this is happening, so why not consider a "higher power" intervention? Can you justso easily dismiss it? If it works for Tebow, all the power to him.   
    Posted by AZPAT[/QUOTE]

    Except for the time he and his mother paid for a commercial about his religion ... there was that time. 

    I guess God is rooting against the other athletes that also pray as well. He chose Tebow....

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Amen Brother! This is sports, something I enjoy in part as a distraction politics where at least three presidential candidates hear voices they presume are God whose told them to run the country.  To beleive that with all of the starvation, rape, mass muder, slavery, drought, etc. . .  Yes, God takes off Sunday, (and Monday & Thursdays nights) to pick winners & losers in sporting events.  Now if only those darn Jets, or Raiders, or Chiefs prayed harder God would favor them more.  Yeah, that's what decides winners & losers.
    Posted by BrocktonMike[/QUOTE]

    Agreed. Tebow is sacrilege. And so is Tebow worship. Anyone who is truly Christian wouldn't even watch professional football because it truly defiles the sabbath.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Agreed. Tebow is sacrilege. And so is Tebow worship. Anyone who is truly Christian wouldn't even watch professional football because it truly defiles the sabbath.
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]

    Saturday is good for me...

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Agreed. Tebow is sacrilege. And so is Tebow worship. Anyone who is truly Christian wouldn't even watch professional football because it truly defiles the sabbath.
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]

    Greed and lust for power aren't either but that doesn't seem to bother the Evangelical right. They're all hypocrites.
     
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    My problem witrh Tebow is simple, he's a terrible QB, but people act like he's an elite QB. 

    The guy goes 2-10, 9-20 and 5-15 and and his team pulls out a win and it's Tebow being Tebow. What the PUCK?!! The dude did nothing for 55 minutes and plays well for the final 5 minutes and everyone crowns him the next Joe Montana! 

    What happens when the defense can't hold a team to a close game? Do any of you trust Tim Tebow to QB his team from a deficit? I know I don't! 
     
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    [QUOTE]I will restate my point, as it may not come across the way I meant it.  I don't have a problem with his religion.  I think I feel the same way about his overcelebration as I feel about ANY overcelebration.  When a DE gets a sack, and is pumped, ok.  But stopping and doing a dance about it is stupid.  Tebow overcelebrates, period.  He can tell his "wife" he loves "her", just stop making out every three steps.  
    Posted by Davedsone[/QUOTE]

      exactly, it's way tacky.  It's like religious b-porn.  I mean if you want to be a real porn star then nail yourself to a cross while the defense has the field (God I wish he'd do it and keep winning).  And then when they loose a game, to sing "always look on the bright side of life.... do doot do doot do doot do doot do do doot"   C'mon Tebow and the Tebow-ites! where's your sense of cosmic absurdity?               
     
      I may have put one too many "do doots" up above.  If any one is a Monty Python scholar feel free to correct me on this.
       

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Except for the time he and his mother paid for a commercial about his religion ... there was that time.  I guess God is rooting against the other athletes that also pray as well. He chose Tebow....
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]

    That commercial was paid for by Focus on the Family, and was really just an advertisement for their Website. The group has been around longer than Tebow.
     
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    [QUOTE]It's FOOTBALL not a Jesus revival! He can be religious , I really have no problem with his beliefs but I believe that there is a time & place for things, everytime he talks he talks about Jesus & that he loves him, it is a little much., it's a little much. I really don't think Jesus cares about football or any sport!!! I wonder what people would be saying if a player started praising Allah? I'm sure it would cause some controversy.
    Posted by laurienyc13[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]It's FOOTBALL not a Jesus revival! He can be religious , I really have no problem with his beliefs but I believe that there is a time & place for things, everytime he talks he talks about Jesus & that he loves him, it is a little much., it's a little much. I really don't think Jesus cares about football or any sport!!! I wonder what people would be saying if a player started praising Allah? I'm sure it would cause some controversy.
    Posted by laurienyc13[/QUOTE]

    Dont think I ever heard such clammer with Ali or Mike Tyson when they talked about Allah many athletes talked about Islam but when Christians do it it offends
     
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      I am a Pats fan #1 living in Colorado and I am amused at all this clammer about Tebow. Never has he shoved anything down my throat. He just expresses his beliefs. I dont remember once where he asked me to belive as he does. He prays, it is an assumption on others part that he is praying for victory. He is praying for his love of God. God may not care about who wins but he cares how we treat others. Tebow only talks about his love for God and all he is about is helping others and showing the way (BY HIS ACTIONS NOT HIS WORDS)
      Frankly he is a breath of fresh air. While other athletes are pimping some cologne or some energy drink or some clothing line in which they receive revenue, Tebow is simply a guy who always talks about the team, doing what the coaches ask him to never talks about his stats, always sees winning as the only thing that matters (as opposed to Ortiz who is worried about an RBI he is not credited with). He is a breath of fresh air. Just watch him in the next couple of years, hold your tongue and see what happens. It is early on in his career we dont know yet and cant know. Yeah he will improve in his passing stas no doubt he is young. Why in the world is this guy getting so much ink on a patriots message board anyway. Let him be and stop being a hater
     
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    I believe in God, but tend to think he overdoes it a bit.  That said, I have no business telling him to practice his religion to a lesser extent.  I'd rather see that than some funky dance.

    Are people more hostile towards religion nowadays, or did I simply not notice people complaining about Mark Bavaro when he played?  
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Dont think I ever heard such clammer with Ali or Mike Tyson when they talked about Allah many athletes talked about Islam but when Christians do it it offends
    Posted by Colosoxman[/QUOTE]

    Tyson and Ali didn't fight with the excerpts of the Qu'ran all over their face. I see that as a huge difference, seeing as how plenty of other NFL players are religious as well. Tebow overdoes it, get over it. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Saturday is good for me...
    Posted by WesternOregon[/QUOTE]

    Me too! Saturday November 5th 2011 especially ... wouldn't you say?   ;-)

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : That commercial was paid for by Focus on the Family, and was really just an advertisement for their Website. The group has been around longer than Tebow.
    Posted by shenanigan[/QUOTE]

    Well, they are donors to the group. 

    But the main point is that he is 'in your face' about it ... and I think it's closer to false religion than true religion. The guy grandstands on a national stage.

    I think it's heretical to link God to a sport at least at the level he takes it to. There are starving children, war victims, rape, disease, massive corporate theft, a host of problems in this world, and Tebow acts like he is God's champion when he scores a touchdown, and whether he wins or loses is what's really on the mind of a power that supposedly created the known world.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Greed and lust for power aren't either but that doesn't seem to bother the Evangelical right. They're all hypocrites.
    Posted by Evil2012[/QUOTE]

    And yet some of them quote evidence as to why greed is good, abandoning their fellow man is not bad, prejudice, hatred, war are all justified, all from the Bible itself. 

    " ... in these last days there are pickers and choosers of God's words who cannot endure the practical part of scripture; they are disgusted at duty, they abhor responsibilty, they disembowel texts of their plain meanings, they wrest Scriptures to their own destruction." Ps 17

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just sayin', maybe the problem people have with Tim Tebow... : Well, they are donors to the group.  But the main point is that he is 'in your face' about it ... and I think it's closer to false religion than true religion. The guy grandstands on a national stage. I think it's heretical to link God to a sport at least at the level he takes it to. There are starving children, war victims, rape, disease, massive corporate theft, a host of problems in this world, and Tebow acts like he is God's champion when he scores a touchdown, and whether he wins or loses is what's really on the mind of a power that supposedly created the known world.
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]

    Jeez, I think you're being a little too sensitive. The guy spent more time and money on charity by the time he was 22 then most people do their whole lives (blew 2.5 mil in 24 hours after getting an NFL contract on charity). If that's all for show than the world could use some more showmen. This uproar of him being in your face reminds me of awhile back when the Dean of a college (Harvard I think) banned any military recruiters from coming on campus. Not that I think people should join the military, but I find it absurd that even being asked was so offensive to people that they would go to great lengths to "fight the tyranny" they were being subjected to. And Tebow doesn't even go so far as to ask you to be a Christian (god forbid), he simply promoted that he thinks it has been a positive effect in his life. I'm picturing alot of people sitting around the thanksgiving table this year and when Uncle Joe says "Wow, this is some great turkey" they respond "Screw you Uncle Joe!, Why are you always trying to push your pro-turkey agenda on me. Get out of my face with all this turkey is great, turkey is the only way to live. You're such a hypocrite, just last week I saw you eating chicken. If you like turkey so much why do you feel the need to come out here in public and eat it, can't you just do it at home alone and let the rest of us live our lives. Go to heII."
     
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