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    Justin Jones

    Justin Jones has been my best shot for surprise player of 2014.  Now, five practices into training camp, Ben Volin of the Globe likes him to be possibly the top impact rookie on the team.  "You just can't fake 6-8."  I'll add, with decent lateral acceleration for a 275 pound player, with gorilla-sized arm length, with a vertical leap to the moon and with decent run-blocking.


    It's not a question of Justin Jones or Gronkowski any more than it was a question of Gronk or AHern.  It's a question of them both lining up on the same side, with one of them lining up a yard behind the line of scrimmage.  Brady loves the option play, and often as not the running-back-by committee will run behind Gronk and/or Jones, because who's going to stop them? 


    Then again, Brady might set up in the pocket.  Jones accelerates and gets open.  Nobody guards Jones's airspace and he's actually a bigger target than Gronk, if such a thing is possible.  Jones will never break away for the touchdown but he'll get 6 or 8 yards easily, and then he'll crash into a puny cornerback, which at 275 lbs won't help the cornerback's humor one bit.  If we already know that Gronk can't be single-covered except by a few lucky teams, what about Jones and Gronk at once, sometimes running picks for each other?  What team carries two of those elite coverage specialists, much less one?

     
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    Justin Jones has been my best shot for surprise player of 2014.  Now, five practices into training camp, Ben Volin of the Globe likes him to be possibly the top impact rookie on the team.  "You just can't fake 6-8."  I'll add, with decent lateral acceleration for a 275 pound player, with gorilla-sized arm length, with a vertical leap to the moon and with decent run-blocking.

     

    It's not a question of Justin Jones or Gronkowski any more than it was a question of Gronk or AHern.  It's a question of them both lining up on the same side, with one of them lining up a yard behind the line of scrimmage.  Brady loves the option play, and often as not the running-back-by committee will run behind Gronk and/or Jones, because who's going to stop them? 

     

    Then again, Brady might set up in the pocket.  Jones accelerates and gets open.  Nobody guards Jones's airspace and he's actually a bigger target than Gronk, if such a thing is possible.  Jones will never break away for the touchdown but he'll get 6 or 8 yards easily, and then he'll crash into a puny cornerback, which at 275 lbs won't help the cornerback's humor one bit.  If we already know that Gronk can't be single-covered except by a few lucky teams, what about Jones and Gronk at once, sometimes running picks for each other?  What team carries two of those elite coverage specialists, much less one?

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    It's exciting to imagine.  We'll just have to keep an eye on his progress.  I thought I heard that his blocking was his biggest issue?

     
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    Interesting scenarios.  If the guy has any kind of hands perhaps you're right.

     
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    One of the best things going for someone like Jones is that he has only the best tight end in football (my opinion of course) to emulate and to be tutored by.

     
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    You drool over the size for sure and potential if he can put it together but I feel in love with Sudfeld too quickly and will wait to see what Jones looks like after preseason week 3 and how much work he gets. With essentially Gronk locked in as the #1 there should be plenty of opportunity to get preseason week 3 reps which is a good indication he's either on the bubble and they want to get a long look or they plan on him being on the team and want to get him as many reps as possible. 

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    On the topic of "Surprise Players for 2014"... I like Jemea Thomas... then again, he has to get on the field in training camp first.

      

     
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    Justin Jones has been my best shot for surprise player of 2014.  Now, five practices into training camp, Ben Volin of the Globe likes him to be possibly the top impact rookie on the team.  "You just can't fake 6-8."  I'll add, with decent lateral acceleration for a 275 pound player, with gorilla-sized arm length, with a vertical leap to the moon and with decent run-blocking.

     

    It's not a question of Justin Jones or Gronkowski any more than it was a question of Gronk or AHern.  It's a question of them both lining up on the same side, with one of them lining up a yard behind the line of scrimmage.  Brady loves the option play, and often as not the running-back-by committee will run behind Gronk and/or Jones, because who's going to stop them? 

     

    Then again, Brady might set up in the pocket.  Jones accelerates and gets open.  Nobody guards Jones's airspace and he's actually a bigger target than Gronk, if such a thing is possible.  Jones will never break away for the touchdown but he'll get 6 or 8 yards easily, and then he'll crash into a puny cornerback, which at 275 lbs won't help the cornerback's humor one bit.  If we already know that Gronk can't be single-covered except by a few lucky teams, what about Jones and Gronk at once, sometimes running picks for each other?  What team carries two of those elite coverage specialists, much less one?

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    I read this as well. I would love for him to stick because with his size, him and Gronk on the field would certainly present matchup problems but he is raw. A pretty good athlete but I just dont see how you make that proclamation for a guy who may not be on the team. If he was a 3rd rounder or less, maybe but right now, he could end up cut or on p/s the whole year. He seems to more likely to fill in for Gronk if hurt, rather than them play together, atleast for now. I see DJ Williams more likey to make it as he offers a different skillset.

    With White on the team as well as Easley, I just think its a bit premature. Make no mistake, I like Jones and hopes he sticks but until I see him in preseason I have to say his best case scenario is p/s and learn the game, get called up in an emergency.

     
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    On the topic of "Surprise Players for 2014"... I like Jemea Thomas... then again, he has to get on the field in training camp first.

      

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    I too liked the pick but as you mentioned, he has to see the field but I like his toughness and versatility. I hope he sticks somehow.

     
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    On the topic of "Surprise Players for 2014"... I like Jemea Thomas... then again, he has to get on the field in training camp first.

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    Tiny, short arms, stiff hips!  Sorry, but I hate him already.  The only thing Thomas has going for him is the ability to automatically land on injured reserve without affecting BB's 53 man limit, which means the kid gets an extra year to learn.

     
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    Interesting scenarios.  If the guy has any kind of hands perhaps you're right.

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    The NFL scouting report says yes, he has soft hands.  However, he dropped a TD in camp recently.

     
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    It'll be interesting to see if this guy can become a viable TE.  He has all the measurables, but he looked very average in his YouTube "highlight" reel.  I'd be happy to be wrong -- I wasn't impressed seeing him on film.  Sounds like he has a lot of potential -- not sure if he makes it to the practice squad if he looks promising in preseason. 

     
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    Interesting scenarios.  If the guy has any kind of hands perhaps you're right.

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    The NFL scouting report says yes, he has soft hands.  However, he dropped a TD in camp recently.

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    Noooooo!!  Not another player who dropped a pass while practicing!  What are they teaching these guys in camp these days!? 

    That was sarcasm, by the way.

     
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    It'll be interesting to see if this guy can become a viable TE.  He has all the measurables, but he looked very average in his YouTube "highlight" reel.  I'd be happy to be wrong -- I wasn't impressed seeing him on film.  Sounds like he has a lot of potential -- not sure if he makes it to the practice squad if he looks promising in preseason. 

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    I think his biggest knock is his lack of agility. Being Big is great but if you cant run routes, he wont get open. I would like to see him stick on the p/s with an eye towards next year because his size is intriguing

     
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    Interesting scenarios.  If the guy has any kind of hands perhaps you're right.

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    The NFL scouting report says yes, he has soft hands.  However, he dropped a TD in camp recently.

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    Noooooo!!  Not another player who dropped a pass while practicing!  What are they teaching these guys in camp these days!? 

    That was sarcasm, by the way.

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    I havent heard of anyone who HASNT dropped a pass yet. Edleman, as good as he looks has a few drops too but seems like only one guy is getting called out. I dont worry about practice. Its purpose is to get acclimated and so if they need 4 weeks to get the drops out the way, so be it. If anyone makes it a habit during the season, Im sure their touches will go down accordingly.

     
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    It'll be interesting to see if this guy can become a viable TE.  He has all the measurables, but he looked very average in his YouTube "highlight" reel.  I'd be happy to be wrong -- I wasn't impressed seeing him on film.  Sounds like he has a lot of potential -- not sure if he makes it to the practice squad if he looks promising in preseason. 

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    I think his biggest knock is his lack of agility. Being Big is great but if you cant run routes, he wont get open. I would like to see him stick on the p/s with an eye towards next year because his size is intriguing

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    They tried that little maneuver last year with Sudfield.  It didn't work out too well.  I would imagine, if he shows any signs of talent at all, he will be picked up by some team before he makes it to the practice squad. 

     
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    On the topic of "Surprise Players for 2014"... I like Jemea Thomas... then again, he has to get on the field in training camp first.

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    Tiny, short arms, stiff hips!  Sorry, but I hate him already.  The only thing Thomas has going for him is the ability to automatically land on injured reserve without affecting BB's 53 man limit, which means the kid gets an extra year to learn.

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    My bad, I forgot that only tall dudes with long arms can be good football players.

     
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    Sudfeld could catch but couldn't block so he couldn't stick... time will tell.

     
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    It'll be interesting to see if this guy can become a viable TE.  He has all the measurables, but he looked very average in his YouTube "highlight" reel.  I'd be happy to be wrong -- I wasn't impressed seeing him on film.  Sounds like he has a lot of potential -- not sure if he makes it to the practice squad if he looks promising in preseason. 

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    I think his biggest knock is his lack of agility. Being Big is great but if you cant run routes, he wont get open. I would like to see him stick on the p/s with an eye towards next year because his size is intriguing

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    They tried that little maneuver last year with Sudfield.  It didn't work out too well.  I would imagine, if he shows any signs of talent at all, he will be picked up by some team before he makes it to the practice squad. 

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    This is the only reason I question BB taking guys off waivers. You know another team is gonna do the same to get back at you and to me, your players you drafted should be more important to your team than others because they know your system. I think its more important to have a go to guy on the bench that knows the system in case of emergency rather than securing a 6th round pick for Next year but I know im in the minority on that one.

     
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    It'll be interesting to see if this guy can become a viable TE.  He has all the measurables, but he looked very average in his YouTube "highlight" reel.  I'd be happy to be wrong -- I wasn't impressed seeing him on film.  Sounds like he has a lot of potential -- not sure if he makes it to the practice squad if he looks promising in preseason. 

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    I think his biggest knock is his lack of agility. Being Big is great but if you cant run routes, he wont get open. I would like to see him stick on the p/s with an eye towards next year because his size is intriguing

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    They tried that little maneuver last year with Sudfield.  It didn't work out too well.  I would imagine, if he shows any signs of talent at all, he will be picked up by some team before he makes it to the practice squad. 

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    This is the only reason I question BB taking guys off waivers. You know another team is gonna do the same to get back at you and to me, your players you drafted should be more important to your team than others because they know your system. I think its more important to have a go to guy on the bench that knows the system in case of emergency rather than securing a 6th round pick for Next year but I know im in the minority on that one.

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    I can see the spite argument, and I don't doubt it happens.  But BB has said many times that when you expose a guy via waivers you have to assume he's a goner.  Unless of course he's a Ventrone bother -- those guys filled a role here but were marginal NFL talents. 

     
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    If BB thinks Jones has potential then he will be the 3rd TE . . .  if he is put on the PS they know he will be picked up by other teams because of this height and size (275) as more and more teams at going with big TEs and there are many teams at the bottom of the league that will want to give this guy a shot after what he will have learned at the Pats camp.

     
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    If this guy makes it I'll be the first one to admit I was wrong, because I think he's a long shot. To me he looks like he needs four years of polishing.

     
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    Re: Justin Jones

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    Justin Jones has been my best shot for surprise player of 2014.  Now, five practices into training camp, Ben Volin of the Globe likes him to be possibly the top impact rookie on the team.  "You just can't fake 6-8."  I'll add, with decent lateral acceleration for a 275 pound player, with gorilla-sized arm length, with a vertical leap to the moon and with decent run-blocking.

     

    It's not a question of Justin Jones or Gronkowski any more than it was a question of Gronk or AHern.  It's a question of them both lining up on the same side, with one of them lining up a yard behind the line of scrimmage.  Brady loves the option play, and often as not the running-back-by committee will run behind Gronk and/or Jones, because who's going to stop them? 

     

    Then again, Brady might set up in the pocket.  Jones accelerates and gets open.  Nobody guards Jones's airspace and he's actually a bigger target than Gronk, if such a thing is possible.  Jones will never break away for the touchdown but he'll get 6 or 8 yards easily, and then he'll crash into a puny cornerback, which at 275 lbs won't help the cornerback's humor one bit.  If we already know that Gronk can't be single-covered except by a few lucky teams, what about Jones and Gronk at once, sometimes running picks for each other?  What team carries two of those elite coverage specialists, much less one?

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    I had brought him up weeks ago, and wanted the coaches to prep him for red zone offense.  The imagination of what could be done is fun to dream about....and we are weakish at the TE position

     
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    Re: Justin Jones

    I think Jones gets caught up in a numbers game. Gronk and Hooman are locks. Devlin is looking like a lock with his lead blocking ability and ST play and can be an emerg TE. 

    Seems that Jones roster competition will be some one like Boyce, Thompkins, Bolden, Wendell, etc. Do the Pat keep a young OL or a ST ace over that 3/4 TE?

    I think JOnes is a very long shot

     

     
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    You drool over the size for sure and potential if he can put it together but I feel in love with Sudfeld too quickly and will wait to see what Jones looks like after preseason week 3 and how much work he gets. With essentially Gronk locked in as the #1 there should be plenty of opportunity to get preseason week 3 reps which is a good indication he's either on the bubble and they want to get a long look or they plan on him being on the team and want to get him as many reps as possible. 

    Trust me, I'm an engineer!

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    I know that feeling about watching pre-season games and thinking a player is going to be special. I fell in love with Taylor Price a few years ago while watching him against Tampa. Thought he was the best player on the field and was really going to help the Pats. Didn't work out too well.

     
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    Re: Justin Jones

    we'll he had a good day today, he has had positives said about his hands and agility, his wingspan is bigger than Gronks, he is 275

     

    i don't think hoos is a lock, they had the kid from Maine who made a few plays last year and is now on Detroit?

     

    i have no idea if he will make the team, but he at least has done enough not yo be written off


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