Kirwan's Analysis

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    I just think it's funny a thread started by Mr. 152 IQ is probably going to go 60 posts long...58 of which will be making a fool of rusty!  Tears!

     
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    Hey Hurlie! I went ahead and edited out the embedded Prisco piece to protect your delicate, child-like sensibilities.

    So, what do you think of his analysis? It sure contradicts yours with regards to that big meanie, Bill Belichick, as he doesn't do enough to support Tom Brady, huh?

    LMAO

     




    I don't know, I can't really comment, I didn't read it. Should I? Will it explain "salary cap hell" to me? I kind of glanced through it.

    I think the part that you're missing about this whole "salary cap hell" thing is that as we've told you many many times...the salary cap in the NFL is the most fluid thing in all of sports. Teams can whipe off 10 million in payroll over a weekend (even quicker as the Packers, Giants and Lions just showed). The problem is you bought this whole scary salary cap thing, hook line and sinker...you fell in love with it.

    So yes, as the article states - teams will be cutting players over the next few weeks (just like every year). Teams will then sign guys - maybe even the ones that got cut. Some players will make more, some players will make less, but no one is going to stop doing business because of this scary salary cap that you are all confused about.

    You do relize that Kirwin ranks Pete Carrol's Seahawks as number one in how his team is set up, don't you? Think about that and how it tosses some of the credibility out the window regarding this article. I think it's time for you to google another "salary cap hell" piece. 

     
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    I just think it's funny a thread started by Mr. 152 IQ is probably going to go 60 posts long...58 of which will be making a fool of rusty!  Tears!

     




    i already explained the giants to him above Hurl but it will fall on deaf agenda laden ears as usual

     

    my poor giants! destined to go 3-13 next 5 yrs due to poor cap management!

    where is bellichick when u really need him hurl?  alas...



    I don't know how you guys are going to do it! The horror! You'll have to sign guys right out of Hofstra to field a team next year.

     
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    Hey Hurlie! I went ahead and edited out the embedded Prisco piece to protect your delicate, child-like sensibilities.

    So, what do you think of his analysis? It sure contradicts yours with regards to that big meanie, Bill Belichick, as he doesn't do enough to support Tom Brady, huh?

    LMAO

     

     




    I don't know, I can't really comment, I didn't read it. Should I? Will it explain "salary cap hell" to me? I kind of glanced through it.

     

    I think the part that you're missing about this whole "salary cap hell" thing is that as we've told you many many times...the salary cap in the NFL is the most fluid thing in all of sports. Teams can whipe off 10 million in payroll over a weekend (even quicker as the Packers, Giants and Lions just showed). The problem is you bought this whole scary salary cap thing, hook line and sinker...you fell in love with it.

    So yes, as the article states - teams will be cutting players over the next few weeks (just like every year). Teams will then sign guys - maybe even the ones that got cut. Some players will make more, some players will make less, but no one is going to stop doing business because of this scary salary cap that you are all confused about.

    You do relize that Kirwin ranks Pete Carrol's Seahawks as number one in how his team is set up, don't you? Think about that and how it tosses some of the credibility out the window regarding this article. I think it's time for you to google another "salary cap hell" piece. 

     




    The Seattle Seahawks and SF 49ers have been sitting on top 15 picks for like 7 years. That division in the NFC West has blown.

     

    The simple fact, NE has been picking at the back of the 1st rd, had a pick taken away in 2008, and continues to reel off 13 win+ seasons in the midst of it, somehow isn't impressive to you as a Pats fan?  How can you be this dumb?

    Finally, you just proved you don't get it. Saying "it's fluid" doesn't mean that you trade draft picks, ignore maximizing assets, overpay FAs so you lose leverage as a GM, etc.  All these things add up.  Look no further than your favorite team the Jets. Mikey Felger, Gasper, you, RKarp, and all the over morons at ESPN kept trying to tell us we were doomed, "Kraft is cheap", etc, but the fact is, BB's way is the best way to maintain. 

    You mock the genius of it, because clearly you don't get how he's able to stay in control so well, keeping a strong position.

    It's sad and pathetic that you are  Pats fan and don't appreciate how great he is managing the cap.  But, you need to realize there is a cap, that it exitsts, and yes, that mismanaging it can absolutely bog down an organization. How long, is anyone's guess, but to pretend saying "it's fluid", so you can try to sound smart is comical.

    I would suggest you read it, Mr. Ignorant.  It uses statements I've used here many times.  So, we have a former scout and well respect NFL personnel guy himself, Pat Kirwan, mirroring my comments, and it would expose you and RKrap to high heaven, and you won't read it.  Go figure.

    Here is an example of what I was saying in the Woodson thread that you mocked:

     

    "Teams like the New York Giants are already doing some house cleaning with the release of Ahmad Bradshaw, Chris Canty and Michael Boley, but cutting players for cap reasons doesn't mean the talent released has been replaced

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    I don't think you get why we have been so successful over the last several years...it's Tom Brady and excellent coaching. I understand that you can make an excuse for our drafts being poor over the last 5-6 years by saying we are selecting so low in the first round...valid excuse. The free agent signings is what in my opinion totally ruins this "Belichick is the best GM ever!" premise you carry around here like it's your secret decoder ring. I could argue that the signings over the last three years have not helped this team much at all - certainly not to the degree expected when we chose to go value shopping and saving all our cash for the firestorm of free agent cuts that would be happening from the "impending doom of the NFL lockout" you talked about for a year and a half.

    Instead the we ended up with Shaun Ellis, Ocho Cinco, Haynesworth (and I can't even believe that one), Gallery, Stallworth, Gaffney, Fennene, Addai, Gregory, Springs, Fred Taylor, Leigh Bodden (we still paying for him?), Galloway and more! That is what we spent our cap dollars on. Millions of cap space wasted to try to find Seymore's replacement. Millions wasted to find  a corner we couldn't find in the second round of the draft. Resources gone...time wasted...years of Brady's career gone. For God's sake Buffalo picked the right safety on the same team Chung was on! The guy was standing 20 feet away from Chung every game and we end up with Chung?? This is the work of the best GM in the history of the NFL? YOU ARE INSANE.

     
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    Remember , if there was no cap a few of other teams in the NFL would spend like crazy and challenge every year, possibly the 'Boys and the Skins, maybe even the Jets and Broncos. I think Kraft is a businessman first and fan second. At some point he would detect dinimishing returns and back off on spending. Could argue with BB giving them a coaching advantage the Pats are better off with a spending cap in place.

     
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    Hey Hurlie! I went ahead and edited out the embedded Prisco piece to protect your delicate, child-like sensibilities.

    So, what do you think of his analysis? It sure contradicts yours with regards to that big meanie, Bill Belichick, as he doesn't do enough to support Tom Brady, huh?

    LMAO

     

     




    I don't know, I can't really comment, I didn't read it. Should I? Will it explain "salary cap hell" to me? I kind of glanced through it.

     

    I think the part that you're missing about this whole "salary cap hell" thing is that as we've told you many many times...the salary cap in the NFL is the most fluid thing in all of sports. Teams can whipe off 10 million in payroll over a weekend (even quicker as the Packers, Giants and Lions just showed). The problem is you bought this whole scary salary cap thing, hook line and sinker...you fell in love with it.

    So yes, as the article states - teams will be cutting players over the next few weeks (just like every year). Teams will then sign guys - maybe even the ones that got cut. Some players will make more, some players will make less, but no one is going to stop doing business because of this scary salary cap that you are all confused about.

    You do relize that Kirwin ranks Pete Carrol's Seahawks as number one in how his team is set up, don't you? Think about that and how it tosses some of the credibility out the window regarding this article. I think it's time for you to google another "salary cap hell" piece. 

     




    The Seattle Seahawks and SF 49ers have been sitting on top 15 picks for like 7 years. That division in the NFC West has blown.

     

    The simple fact, NE has been picking at the back of the 1st rd, had a pick taken away in 2008, and continues to reel off 13 win+ seasons in the midst of it, somehow isn't impressive to you as a Pats fan?  How can you be this dumb?

    Finally, you just proved you don't get it. Saying "it's fluid" doesn't mean that you trade draft picks, ignore maximizing assets, overpay FAs so you lose leverage as a GM, etc.  All these things add up.  Look no further than your favorite team the Jets. Mikey Felger, Gasper, you, RKarp, and all the over morons at ESPN kept trying to tell us we were doomed, "Kraft is cheap", etc, but the fact is, BB's way is the best way to maintain. 

    You mock the genius of it, because clearly you don't get how he's able to stay in control so well, keeping a strong position.

    It's sad and pathetic that you are  Pats fan and don't appreciate how great he is managing the cap.  But, you need to realize there is a cap, that it exitsts, and yes, that mismanaging it can absolutely bog down an organization. How long, is anyone's guess, but to pretend saying "it's fluid", so you can try to sound smart is comical.

    I would suggest you read it, Mr. Ignorant.  It uses statements I've used here many times.  So, we have a former scout and well respect NFL personnel guy himself, Pat Kirwan, mirroring my comments, and it would expose you and RKrap to high heaven, and you won't read it.  Go figure.

    Here is an example of what I was saying in the Woodson thread that you mocked:

     

    "Teams like the New York Giants are already doing some house cleaning with the release of Ahmad Bradshaw, Chris Canty and Michael Boley, but cutting players for cap reasons doesn't mean the talent released has been replaced

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    I don't think you get why we have been so successful over the last several years...it's Tom Brady and excellent coaching. I understand that you can make an excuse for our drafts being poor over the last 5-6 years by saying we are selecting so low in the first round...valid excuse. The free agent signings is what in my opinion totally ruins this "Belichick is the best GM ever!" premise you carry around here like it's your secret decoder ring. I could argue that the signings over the last three years have not helped this team much at all - certainly not to the degree expected when we chose to go value shopping and saving all our cash for the firestorm of free agent cuts that would be happening from the "impending doom of the NFL lockout" you talked about for a year and a half.

     

    Instead the we ended up with Shaun Ellis, Ocho Cinco, Haynesworth (and I can't even believe that one), Gallery, Stallworth, Gaffney, Fennene, Addai, Gregory, Springs, Fred Taylor, Leigh Bodden (we still paying for him?), Galloway and more! That is what we spent our cap dollars on. Millions of cap space wasted to try to find Seymore's replacement. Millions wasted to find  a corner we couldn't find in the second round of the draft. Resources gone...time wasted...years of Brady's career gone. For God's sake Buffalo picked the right safety on the same team Chung was on! The guy was standing 20 feet away from Chung every game and we end up with Chung?? This is the work of the best GM in the history of the NFL? YOU ARE INSANE.

     




    So, a few draft picks that didn't work out is exclusive just to BB?| This irrationally immature standard you hold BB to is fascinating to watch unfold. 

     

    "secret decoder ring"?  Because I appreciate the heck out of what I am witnessing as a Pats fan, this means I have a "secret decoder ring"? What does that even mean?

    Also, who mocks the Leigh Bodden signing? Great signing, under market, he was ranked 14th in 2009 as a CB.  Great return on that deal. 

    Because the guy apparently had a career ending back injury, this means BB needs to have  a rystal ball to see that?  You're beyond irrational.  You act like no other GM signs a FA and an injury affects the life of the terms of the deal.  It happens.

    Fanene lied about his situation, which won't hurt NE's cap space in 2013, so I have no idea why that would bother you.  And as if adding Fred Taylor to a backfield that included Maroney, Sammy Morris, Faulk and an emergring BJGE, this was offensive to you? He was meant to take some carries away from the rest and as it turned out he wasn't needed that much.  Who cares? They needed a vet RB, they signed one.  I mean, what are we missing here?

    You act like Bodden wasn't a good FA target. He was!  Played on crappy teams, stood out, was very good here for the one year he was unhealthy. What's Dunta Robinson doing in Atlanta? Not much.  Overrated and overpaid.  He's gone the second his deal runs out. How's Asomougha been doing?

    What's next, Gronk is a bad pick because he's been hurt in the SB and this year's AFC title game? By your logic, that's what it means.  It sure seems like your anal cavity is raw because Tom Brady isn't getting what he wants.  That's what it sounds like to me. 

    BB's less than 100% perfect personnel moves now, back in 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 or now are still BETTER than the majority of the NFL.

    PCMIV posted the names of Ozzie Newsome's drafts in recentyears. AWFUL. Absolutely awful by comparison.  Some of the players barely played!     Your problem is, you live in this Pats vacuum, exclusively and then whine like a 12 year old girl when Brady folds in the postseason.  It's just a convenient way for you to get a simple answer for your brain.

    Team loses, BB bad.  You're like a caveman. LMAO

    You can't believe BB taking a flyer on Haynesworth for a song to add into the Andre Carters, Mark Andersons and Brian Waters of the world?  Why is it so offensive to you when you has such great management, the simple fact he tossed Washington a 5th rder, gambling on a 1 year rental of a great talent (but lazy and unable to be coached) Haynesworth?   You seem to not realize the whole reason he could do that is because of his great management.  It's like an embarrassment of riches in terms of looking under every rock possible.

    I can tell you right now, the fact NE is sitting at 18 mil under the cap, will win the division favorite next year, a top Vegas favorite to win it all (again), 90% of NFL fanbases are incensed this is the case.  Jealous as all hell.

    You're a fascinating type of an imbecile.  You're a moron's moron. Congrats!

    Oh no! Buffalo made a better pick with Byrd and now with their cap problems with REALLY bad moves like Anderson at that money and Mario Williams there, they might lose him. See how this works?

    BB makes a mistake, and it's covered. Buffalo or one of these poorly run teams makes one or two, and they're screwed.

    You sound like being a Pats fan under BB is a punishment.  You're so spoiled it's sickening to everyone here. The whiny, pink hat behavior is pathetic.

    Look at this sentence:  "Resources gone...time wasted...years of Brady's career gone."

    So, how has Brady been playing in his last few postseasons? How was he in the 2007 AFC title game?   Hmm?  Guess who bailed him out? Laura Maroney. 122 yards on the ground, much of it in the 4th qtr because Brady threw 3 INTs and SUCKED.

    Remember that?  This team is not about catering to Tom Brady.  What scares me is that Brady holds that same entitled attitude you do.

    How was he in the SB? Who forced him to recklessly lob a ball to Gronk on one leg like that on 1st down in the 4th qtr? BB, right! Yes! Blame it all on BB!

    BB is by far and away, without question the best GM of the last 10-15 years in the cap era, the whole cap era since 1993, and since the cap is set up to promote parity and quell dynasties from forming, yes he's the best GM ever. Ever.

    If there was no cap, this team would challenge 19-0 every year.

     

     

     



    It cracks me up beyond belief that you can try and justify years of poor free agent signings. Imagine what it could of been like if we didn't have Brady and Belichick covering for it? Well one of those (Brady) may not be around much longer to continue to do it and this place will turn into a ghost town when that happens....will you still be here yelling about the best GM in salary cap history? I hope you will be because I will thoroughly enjoy rubbing it in your face when we have to watch the likes of the Steven Gregory's of the world have balls thrown over their heads...down, after down, after down.

    the real treat is listening to you defend a 20 million dollar contract handed to Leigh Bodden four years ago. The guy hurt his shoulder, then his knee, then didn't want to play in our scheme - and now it's a career ending back? Is that what you said? Hhahaa! Priceless. I'm sure you'll say the exact same thing regarding Dowling in another year - how we weren't supposed to know he would get hurt so much (and this is a guy that couldn't even run in a straight line without hurting himself at his pre draft workout).

    Mistakes were made, it doesn't change the fact that BB is the best coach in football. It just doesn't make him the best GM of all time. All those low risk...high reward guys, still cost us money, roster spots, losses and the opportunity to acquire good players. We still are looking for Seymore's replacement 5 years later. We still have no one to play Asante Samuals spot - now I can understand not just handing both of them big money (although they could of), but I can't see how they are still not replaced. These weren't old and washed up players we are talking about here - have we now spent the same amount trying to replace these two (and failed)?

     
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    I would say we spent more in draft currency and free agency than Asante would have cost to,lock,up. Seymour possibly the same. Rodney ditto. and don't forget the revolving door at wr either. It really is quite amazing that this team has chalked up so many winning seasons with so many personnel blunders. The constant is brady and bb the coach. they combined mask the mess ups. 

    Russ, if you think bb has been extraordinary in the draft, better than any other team since 20the think again. As I have said many times , bb has had more picks in rounds 1-3 since 2006 Than any other GM. He has hit at an average rate, not better or worse than most..certainly not better or worse than the elite franchises. 

    add the "best GM in the history of the nfl" and "defensivE genius" premiums, and you would think we could muster 10 % above average regardless of where in the rounds we chose. 

    I do agree that the crappy teams have stockpiled top 15 talent, but it shouldn't excuse the many misses and reaches bb has had in the draft. Great gm's should be better than average and managing a cap isn't the only ingredient to being the best GM ever. Don't confuse coaching and being a GM here.

     
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