Kirwan's Analysis

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    The Patriots finished in the top 4 this year and top 2 last year. If they are such a failure, what does that say for the other 28 or so teams?

     
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    Crusty, here are the transactions from just last year.  Do you want 6 years worth?  LOL FAIL

    02/14/2013 Ron Brace - Signed to Redskins 01/28/2013 Cyhl Quarles - Signed to Bears 01/22/2013 Armond Armstead - Signed to Patriots 01/21/2013 Jeff Tarpinian - Signed to Patriots 01/21/2013 Andre Holmes - Signed to Patriots 01/21/2013 Tracy Robertson - Signed to Patriots 01/21/2013 James Develin - Signed to Patriots 01/21/2013 Jeremy Ebert - Signed to Patriots 01/19/2013 Marcus Forston - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 01/11/2013 Jeremiah Warren - Signed to Cardinals 01/08/2013 Andre Holmes - Practice squad addition to Patriots 01/04/2013 Marcus Benard - Signed to Patriots 01/04/2013 Mike Kafka - Signed to Patriots 01/02/2013 Bret Lockett - Signed to Jets 01/02/2013 Ross Ventrone - Signed to Steelers 01/01/2013 Tracy Robertson - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/29/2012 Malcolm Williams - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 12/29/2012 Ron Brace - Cut from Patriots 12/29/2012 Kamar Aiken - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 12/26/2012 Kamar Aiken - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/26/2012 James Develin - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/26/2012 Cyhl Quarles - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/24/2012 Jermaine Cunningham - Suspension lifted 12/24/2012 James Develin - Cut from Patriots 12/24/2012 Kamar Aiken - Cut from Patriots 12/24/2012 Tony Logan - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 12/24/2012 Jeremiah Warren - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 12/22/2012 Kamar Aiken - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 12/19/2012 Jarred Fayson - Practice squad addition to Saints 12/18/2012 Tommie Draheim - Practice squad addition to Jaguars 12/12/2012 Deion Branch - Signed to Patriots 12/12/2012 Dustin Waldron - Practice squad addition to Chiefs 12/12/2012 Tony Logan - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/11/2012 Tommie Draheim - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 12/11/2012 Visanthe Shiancoe - Cut from Patriots 12/05/2012 Mitch Petrus - Acquired from waivers to Titans 12/04/2012 Tommie Draheim - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/04/2012 Colin Miller - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/04/2012 Mitch Petrus - Cut from Patriots 12/04/2012 Donte' Stallworth - Signed to Patriots 12/03/2012 Matt Kopa - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 12/03/2012 Brandon Bolden - Suspension lifted 12/01/2012 Sterling Moore - Signed to Cowboys 11/28/2012 Jeremy Ebert - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/28/2012 Jerrell Harris - Practice squad addition to Raiders 11/28/2012 James Develin - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 11/27/2012 Derek Dennis - Practice squad addition to Bears 11/26/2012 Jermaine Cunningham - Suspended from Patriots - 4 games (NFL Policy on PEDs) 11/23/2012 Greg Salas - Signed to Eagles 11/22/2012 Greg Salas - Cut from Patriots 11/22/2012 Markus Zusevics - Activated from physically unable to perform list to Patriots 11/20/2012 Brian Hoyer - Signed to Steelers 11/20/2012 Malcolm Williams - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/19/2012 Kamar Aiken - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/17/2012 Malcolm Williams - Cut from Patriots 11/17/2012 Deion Branch - Cut from Patriots 11/17/2012 Jarred Fayson - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 11/17/2012 Greg Salas - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 11/13/2012 Mitch Petrus - Signed to Patriots 11/13/2012 Jerrell Harris - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 11/13/2012 Jeff Tarpinian - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/12/2012 Aqib Talib - Suspension lifted 11/12/2012 Jeff Tarpinian - Cut from Patriots 11/09/2012 Brandon Bolden - Suspended from Patriots - 4 games (NFL Policy on PEDs) 11/07/2012 Alex Silvestro - Practice squad addition to Ravens 11/06/2012 Jerrell Harris - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/02/2012 Sterling Moore - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/01/2012 Jarred Fayson - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/01/2012 Aqib Talib - Traded from Buccaneers to Patriots - for 4th-round draft pick in 2013 10/31/2012 Sterling Moore - Cut from Patriots 10/31/2012 Derrick M


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    Re: Kirwan's Analysis

    In response to ClarkGriswold's comment:

    No. no. I didn't ask for transactions. We all know BB is the master at using his PS or developing UDFAs for use down the line, etc. That's not gonna cut it, Mr. Sneaky. I could show every GM in the league's transactions, too.

    I am asking you to list 24+ draft picks he picked specificially to replace the All Star rosters he fielded here when winning SBs.

    So, for example, Meriweather and Chung were supposed to take over as starters for more than just their rookie deals. They didn't and they're not here anymore. So, that's 2.

    You have about 22 more to go.

    Good luck.

     




    Well, I said fa'S AND DRAFT PICKS.  Those transactions listed represent wasted $$$$, wasted picks and wasted FA's and a big fat waste of time resulting in little gain.  For every 10 wasted and the money involved, you think he could have picked up 1 that actually contributed something during the course of the year?  UGH

     
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    Crusty, here are the transactions from just last year.  Do you want 6 years worth?  LOL FAIL

    02/14/2013 Ron Brace - Signed to Redskins 01/28/2013 Cyhl Quarles - Signed to Bears 01/22/2013 Armond Armstead - Signed to Patriots 01/21/2013 Jeff Tarpinian - Signed to Patriots 01/21/2013 Andre Holmes - Signed to Patriots 01/21/2013 Tracy Robertson - Signed to Patriots 01/21/2013 James Develin - Signed to Patriots 01/21/2013 Jeremy Ebert - Signed to Patriots 01/19/2013 Marcus Forston - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 01/11/2013 Jeremiah Warren - Signed to Cardinals 01/08/2013 Andre Holmes - Practice squad addition to Patriots 01/04/2013 Marcus Benard - Signed to Patriots 01/04/2013 Mike Kafka - Signed to Patriots 01/02/2013 Bret Lockett - Signed to Jets 01/02/2013 Ross Ventrone - Signed to Steelers 01/01/2013 Tracy Robertson - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/29/2012 Malcolm Williams - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 12/29/2012 Ron Brace - Cut from Patriots 12/29/2012 Kamar Aiken - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 12/26/2012 Kamar Aiken - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/26/2012 James Develin - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/26/2012 Cyhl Quarles - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/24/2012 Jermaine Cunningham - Suspension lifted 12/24/2012 James Develin - Cut from Patriots 12/24/2012 Kamar Aiken - Cut from Patriots 12/24/2012 Tony Logan - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 12/24/2012 Jeremiah Warren - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 12/22/2012 Kamar Aiken - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 12/19/2012 Jarred Fayson - Practice squad addition to Saints 12/18/2012 Tommie Draheim - Practice squad addition to Jaguars 12/12/2012 Deion Branch - Signed to Patriots 12/12/2012 Dustin Waldron - Practice squad addition to Chiefs 12/12/2012 Tony Logan - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/11/2012 Tommie Draheim - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 12/11/2012 Visanthe Shiancoe - Cut from Patriots 12/05/2012 Mitch Petrus - Acquired from waivers to Titans 12/04/2012 Tommie Draheim - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/04/2012 Colin Miller - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/04/2012 Mitch Petrus - Cut from Patriots 12/04/2012 Donte' Stallworth - Signed to Patriots 12/03/2012 Matt Kopa - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 12/03/2012 Brandon Bolden - Suspension lifted 12/01/2012 Sterling Moore - Signed to Cowboys 11/28/2012 Jeremy Ebert - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/28/2012 Jerrell Harris - Practice squad addition to Raiders 11/28/2012 James Develin - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 11/27/2012 Derek Dennis - Practice squad addition to Bears 11/26/2012 Jermaine Cunningham - Suspended from Patriots - 4 games (NFL Policy on PEDs) 11/23/2012 Greg Salas - Signed to Eagles 11/22/2012 Greg Salas - Cut from Patriots 11/22/2012 Markus Zusevics - Activated from physically unable to perform list to Patriots 11/20/2012 Brian Hoyer - Signed to Steelers 11/20/2012 Malcolm Williams - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/19/2012 Kamar Aiken - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/17/2012 Malcolm Williams - Cut from Patriots 11/17/2012 Deion Branch - Cut from Patriots 11/17/2012 Jarred Fayson - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 11/17/2012 Greg Salas - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 11/13/2012 Mitch Petrus - Signed to Patriots 11/13/2012 Jerrell Harris - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 11/13/2012 Jeff Tarpinian - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/12/2012 Aqib Talib - Suspension lifted 11/12/2012 Jeff Tarpinian - Cut from Patriots 11/09/2012 Brandon Bolden - Suspended from Patriots - 4 games (NFL Policy on PEDs) 11/07/2012 Alex Silvestro - Practice squad addition to Ravens 11/06/2012 Jerrell Harris - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/02/2012 Sterling Moore - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/01/2012 Jarred Fayson - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/01/2012 Aqib Talib - Traded from Buccaneers to Patriots - for 4th-round draft pick in 2013 10/31/2012 Sterling Moore - Cut from Patriots 10/31/2012 Derrick M


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    Geez, this is a lot of transactions/lack of continuity...does this mean we are in "salary cap hell"?

    Rusty talks of this scaaary place all the time - his new definition of "salary cap hell" is a constant changing of a roster...he changed his mind this weekend about what it is. I'm beggining to think "salary cap hell" doesn't really exist.

     
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    Crusty, here are the transactions from just last year.  Do you want 6 years worth?  LOL FAIL

    02/14/2013 Ron Brace - Signed to Redskins 01/28/2013 Cyhl Quarles - Signed to Bears 01/22/2013 Armond Armstead - Signed to Patriots 01/21/2013 Jeff Tarpinian - Signed to Patriots 01/21/2013 Andre Holmes - Signed to Patriots 01/21/2013 Tracy Robertson - Signed to Patriots 01/21/2013 James Develin - Signed to Patriots 01/21/2013 Jeremy Ebert - Signed to Patriots 01/19/2013 Marcus Forston - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 01/11/2013 Jeremiah Warren - Signed to Cardinals 01/08/2013 Andre Holmes - Practice squad addition to Patriots 01/04/2013 Marcus Benard - Signed to Patriots 01/04/2013 Mike Kafka - Signed to Patriots 01/02/2013 Bret Lockett - Signed to Jets 01/02/2013 Ross Ventrone - Signed to Steelers 01/01/2013 Tracy Robertson - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/29/2012 Malcolm Williams - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 12/29/2012 Ron Brace - Cut from Patriots 12/29/2012 Kamar Aiken - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 12/26/2012 Kamar Aiken - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/26/2012 James Develin - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/26/2012 Cyhl Quarles - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/24/2012 Jermaine Cunningham - Suspension lifted 12/24/2012 James Develin - Cut from Patriots 12/24/2012 Kamar Aiken - Cut from Patriots 12/24/2012 Tony Logan - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 12/24/2012 Jeremiah Warren - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 12/22/2012 Kamar Aiken - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 12/19/2012 Jarred Fayson - Practice squad addition to Saints 12/18/2012 Tommie Draheim - Practice squad addition to Jaguars 12/12/2012 Deion Branch - Signed to Patriots 12/12/2012 Dustin Waldron - Practice squad addition to Chiefs 12/12/2012 Tony Logan - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/11/2012 Tommie Draheim - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 12/11/2012 Visanthe Shiancoe - Cut from Patriots 12/05/2012 Mitch Petrus - Acquired from waivers to Titans 12/04/2012 Tommie Draheim - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/04/2012 Colin Miller - Practice squad addition to Patriots 12/04/2012 Mitch Petrus - Cut from Patriots 12/04/2012 Donte' Stallworth - Signed to Patriots 12/03/2012 Matt Kopa - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 12/03/2012 Brandon Bolden - Suspension lifted 12/01/2012 Sterling Moore - Signed to Cowboys 11/28/2012 Jeremy Ebert - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/28/2012 Jerrell Harris - Practice squad addition to Raiders 11/28/2012 James Develin - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 11/27/2012 Derek Dennis - Practice squad addition to Bears 11/26/2012 Jermaine Cunningham - Suspended from Patriots - 4 games (NFL Policy on PEDs) 11/23/2012 Greg Salas - Signed to Eagles 11/22/2012 Greg Salas - Cut from Patriots 11/22/2012 Markus Zusevics - Activated from physically unable to perform list to Patriots 11/20/2012 Brian Hoyer - Signed to Steelers 11/20/2012 Malcolm Williams - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/19/2012 Kamar Aiken - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/17/2012 Malcolm Williams - Cut from Patriots 11/17/2012 Deion Branch - Cut from Patriots 11/17/2012 Jarred Fayson - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 11/17/2012 Greg Salas - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 11/13/2012 Mitch Petrus - Signed to Patriots 11/13/2012 Jerrell Harris - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 11/13/2012 Jeff Tarpinian - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/12/2012 Aqib Talib - Suspension lifted 11/12/2012 Jeff Tarpinian - Cut from Patriots 11/09/2012 Brandon Bolden - Suspended from Patriots - 4 games (NFL Policy on PEDs) 11/07/2012 Alex Silvestro - Practice squad addition to Ravens 11/06/2012 Jerrell Harris - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/02/2012 Sterling Moore - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/01/2012 Jarred Fayson - Practice squad addition to Patriots 11/01/2012 Aqib Talib - Traded from Buccaneers to Patriots - for 4th-round draft pick in 2013 10/31/2012 Sterling Moore - Cut from Patriots 10/31/2012 Derrick M


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    Geez, this is a lot of transactions/lack of continuity...does this mean we are in "salary cap hell"?

     

    Rusty talks of this scaaary place all the time - his new definition of "salary cap hell" is a constant changing of a roster...he changed his mind this weekend about what it is. I'm beggining to think "salary cap hell" doesn't really exist.

     




    LOL LOL LOL!  Those were just the ones from 10/31/12 on!!!!!!!!

     

    Here are the rest for the year 2012.

    10/31/2012 Derrick Martin - Signed to Patriots 10/31/2012 Alex Silvestro - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 10/31/2012 Mike Rivera - Signed to Patriots 10/30/2012 Bobby Carpenter - Cut from Patriots 10/29/2012 Terrell McClain - Signed to Texans 10/27/2012 Malcolm Williams - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 10/23/2012 Matt Tennant - Signed to Eagles 10/20/2012 Jeff Tarpinian - Activated from the practice squad to Patriots 10/20/2012 Matt Tennant - Cut from Patriots 10/11/2012 Thomas Austin - Signed to Panthers 10/09/2012 Kevin Faulk - Retired from Patriots 10/03/2012 Terrell McClain - Cut from Patriots 10/03/2012 Thomas Austin - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 10/03/2012 Bobby Carpenter - Signed to Patriots 10/03/2012 Alex Silvestro - Practice squad addition to Patriots 10/02/2012 Lex Hilliard - Signed to Jets 10/02/2012 Jabar Gaffney - Signed to Dolphins 09/29/2012 Matt Tennant - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots 09/28/2012 Marcus Forston - Practice squad addition to Patriots 09/28/2012 Cyhl Quarles - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 09/27/2012 Kellen Winslow - Cut from Patriots 09/26/2012 Andre Carter - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Raiders 09/26/2012 Marcus Forston - Cut from Patriots 09/26/2012 Terrell McClain - Signed to Patriots 09/25/2012 Mike Rivera - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Dolphins 09/24/2012 Kerry Taylor - Practice squad addition to Cardinals 09/20/2012 Greg Salas - Practice squad addition to Patriots 09/20/2012 Kerry Taylor - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 09/19/2012 Lex Hilliard - Cut from Patriots 09/19/2012 Mike Rivera - Cut from Patriots 09/19/2012 Kellen Winslow - Signed to Patriots 09/19/2012 Deion Branch - Signed to Patriots 09/19/2012 Niko Koutouvides - Signed to Patriots 09/19/2012 Greg Salas - Cut from Patriots 09/13/2012 Jeremy Ebert - Practice squad addition to Eagles 09/12/2012 Cyhl Quarles - Practice squad addition to Patriots 09/12/2012 Alex Silvestro - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 09/11/2012 Eric Kettani - Practice squad addition to Redskins 09/11/2012 Dan Koppen - Signed to Broncos 09/05/2012 Jeremiah Warren - Practice squad addition to Patriots 09/05/2012 Eric Kettani - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 09/05/2012 Kerry Taylor - Practice squad addition to Patriots 09/05/2012 Michael Hoomanawanui - Signed to Patriots 09/05/2012 Samuel Kirkland - Practice squad deletion from Patriots 09/04/2012 Matt Tennant - Cut from Patriots 09/04/2012 Lex Hilliard - Signed to Patriots 09/03/2012 Darrion Weems - Practice squad addition to Colts 09/02/2012 James Develin - Practice squad addition to Patriots 09/02/2012 James Ihedigbo - Signed to Ravens 09/01/2012 Thomas Austin - Practice squad addition to Patriots 09/01/2012 Greg Salas - Traded from Rams to Patriots - for 2015 draft choice 09/01/2012 Sergio Brown - Acquired from waivers to Colts 09/01/2012 Jeff Tarpinian - Practice squad addition to Patriots 09/01/2012 Samuel Kirkland - Practice squad addition to Patriots 09/01/2012 Bobby Carpenter - Cut from Patriots 09/01/2012 Alex Silvestro - Practice squad addition to Patriots 09/01/2012 Matt Kopa - Practice squad addition to Patriots 09/01/2012 Malcolm Williams - Practice squad addition to Patriots 09/01/2012 Eric Kettani - Practice squad addition to Patriots 09/01/2012 Matt Tennant - Acquired from waivers to Patriots 08/31/2012 Malcolm Williams - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Alex Silvestro - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Marcus Harrison - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Jeff Tarpinian - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Niko Koutouvides - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Brian Hoyer - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Derrick Martin - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 James Ihedigbo - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Deion Branch - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Jesse Holley - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Dan Koppen - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Derek Dennis - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Aaron Lavarias - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Sergio Brown - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Jeremiah Warren - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Eric Kettani - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Dustin Waldron - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Tyler Urban - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Kerry Taylor - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Matt Kopa - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Jeremy Ebert - Cut from Patriots 08/31/2012 Darrion Weems - Cut from Patriots 08/27/2012 Ross Ventrone - Cut from Patriots 08/27/2012 Gerard Warren - Cut from Patriots 08/27/2012 Tim Bulman - Cut from Patriots 08/27/2012 Myron Pryor - Placed on physically unable to perform list 08/27/2012 Ross Ventrone - Cut from Patriots 08/27/2012 Kerry Taylor - Acquired from waivers to Patriots 08/27/2012 Donte' Stallworth - Cut from Patriots 08/27/2012 Aaron Hernandez - Re-signed to Patriots - Five-year extension (through 2016) 08/27/2012 Jabar Gaffney - Cut from Patriots 08/27/2012 Jake Ballard - Placed on physically unable to perform list - knee 08/27/2012 Markus Zusevics - 08/21/2012 Kyle Hill - Cut from Patriots 08/21/2012 Chris Koepplin - Cut from Patriots 08/21/2012 Jonathan Fanene - Cut from Patriots 08/20/2012 Kyle Hix - Cut from Patriots 08/20/2012 Kyle Hix - Cut from Patriots 08/17/2012 Jeff Demps - Signed to Patriots 08/14/2012 Britt Davis - Cut from Patriots 08/13/2012 Dane Fletcher - Cut from Patriots 08/11/2012 Lousaka Polite - Signed to Falcons 08/08/2012 Kyle Hill - Signed to Patriots 08/05/2012 Kareem Huggins - Cut from Patriots 08/04/2012 Derrick Martin - Signed to Patriots 08/04/2012 Robert Gallery - Retired from Patriots 08/04/2012 Tony Fiammetta - Granted roster exemption 08/04/2012 Kareem Huggins - Signed to Patriots 08/02/2012 Dustin Waldron - Acquired from waivers to Patriots 08/02/2012 Derek Dennis - Signed to Patriots 08/01/2012 Rich Ohrnberger - Signed to Cardinals 07/27/2012 Darrion Weems - Signed to Patriots 07/25/2012 Visanthe Shiancoe - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots - One-year contract (through 2012) 07/25/2012 Brian Waters - Reserve / did not report 07/25/2012 Joseph Addai - Cut from Patriots 07/25/2012 Tim Bulman - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots 07/23/2012 Kyle Love - Re-signed / exclusive rights free agent Patriots 07/20/2012 Matt Roark - Cut from Patriots 07/18/2012 Dont'a Hightower - Signed / draft choice to Patriots - Four-year contract (fifth-year option) 06/22/2012 Mike Ingersoll - Signed to Buccaneers 06/22/2012 James Ihedigbo - Re-signed / unrestricted free agent for Patriots 06/20/2012 Marcus Stroud - Signed to Jaguars - One-day contract 06/19/2012 Mike Ingersoll - Cut from Patriots 06/19/2012 Bo Scaife - Cut from Patriots 06/14/2012 Jake Bequette - Signed / draft choice to Patriots - Four-year contract (through 2015) 06/12/2012 Jake Ballard - Acquired from waivers to Patriots 06/11/2012 Chad Johnson - Signed to Dolphins 06/11/2012 Jesse Holley - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots 06/11/2012 Tyler Urban - Signed to Patriots 06/09/2012 Mike Ingersoll - Signed to Patriots 06/09/2012 Brad Herman - Cut from Patriots 06/08/2012 Rob Gronkowski - Re-signed to Patriots - Six-year extension (through 2019) 06/07/2012 Chad Johnson - Cut from Patriots 06/07/2012 Bo Scaife - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots 06/07/2012 Markell Carter - Cut from Patriots 06/07/2012 Nick Melillo - Cut from Patriots 06/07/2012 Jon Opperud - Cut from Patriots 05/29/2012 Anthony Gonzalez - Cut from Patriots 05/29/2012 Jamey Richard - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots 05/29/2012 Nick Melillo - Signed to Patriots 05/23/2012 Chandler Jones - Signed / draft choice to Patriots - Four-year contract (fifth-year option) 05/21/2012 Nate Ebner - Signed / draft choice to Patriots - Four-year contract (through 2015) 05/18/2012 Alfonzo Dennard - Signed / draft choice to Patriots - Four-year contract (through 2015) 05/18/2012 Jon Opperud - Signed to Patriots 05/17/2012 Jeremy Ebert - Signed / draft choice to Patriots - Four-year contract (through 2015) 05/16/2012 Landon Cohen - Signed to Cardinals - One-year contract (through 2012) 05/15/2012 Wes Welker - Re-signed / franchise player - One-year tender (through 2012) 05/15/2012 Mike Hartline - Cut from Patriots 05/15/2012 Tavon Wilson - Signed / draft choice to Patriots - Four-year contract (through 2015) 05/14/2012 Dorin Dickerson - Signed to Bills 05/10/2012 Markus Zusevics - Signed to Patriots 05/10/2012 Joseph Addai - Signed to Patriots 05/10/2012 Brandon Bolden - Signed to Patriots 05/10/2012 Tiquan Underwood - Signed to Buccaneers - Two-year contract (through 2013) 05/10/2012 Jeremiah Warren - Signed to Patriots 05/10/2012 Brad Herman - Signed to Patriots 05/10/2012 Marcus Forston - Signed to Patriots 05/10/2012 Matt Roark - Signed to Patriots 05/10/2012 Justin Francis - Signed to Patriots 05/07/2012 Jabar Gaffney - Signed to Patriots 05/07/2012 Matt Light - Retired from Patriots 05/03/2012 Tiquan Underwood - Cut from Patriots 05/03/2012 Gerard Warren - Re-signed / unrestricted free agent for Patriots 04/17/2012 Gary Guyton - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Dolphins - One-year contract (through 2012) 04/16/2012 Dan Koppen - Re-signed / unrestricted free agent for Patriots - Two-year contract (through 2013) 04/16/2012 Antwaun Molden - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Giants 04/16/2012 Chris Koepplin - Signed to Patriots 04/05/2012 Bobby Carpenter - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots 04/04/2012 Torry Holt - Signed to Rams - One-day contract 03/30/2012 Tony Fiammetta - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots 03/30/2012 Spencer Larsen - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots - Two-year contract (through 2013) 03/30/2012 Deion Branch - Re-signed / unrestricted free agent for Patriots - One-year contract (through 2012) 03/26/2012 Lousaka Polite - Cut from Patriots 03/23/2012 Donte' Stallworth - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots - One-year contract (through 2012) 03/23/2012 Brian Hoyer - Re-signed / restricted free agent to Patriots 03/22/2012 BenJarvus Green-Ellis - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Bengals - Three-year contract (through 2014) 03/21/2012 Mark Anderson - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Bills - Four-year contract (through 2015) 03/21/2012 Robert Gallery - Signed to Patriots 03/21/2012 Will Allen - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots - One-year contract (through 2012) 03/20/2012 Daniel Fells - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots - Three-year contract (through 2014) 03/20/2012 Dan Connolly - Re-signed / unrestricted free agent for Patriots 03/20/2012 Jonathan Fanene - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots - Three-year contract (though 2014) 03/20/2012 Christian Cox - Cut from Patriots 03/20/2012 Brandon Lloyd - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots - Three-year contract (through 2014) 03/19/2012 Trevor Scott - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots - One-year contract (through 2012) 03/19/2012 Marquice Cole - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots 03/17/2012 Anthony Gonzalez - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots 03/16/2012 Tracy White - Re-signed / unrestricted free agent for Patriots 03/16/2012 Steve Gregory - Signed / unrestricted free agent to Patriots - Three-year contract (through 2014) 03/15/2012 Matthew Slater - Re-signed / unrestricted free agent for Patriots 03/15/2012 Marcus Harrison - Signed to Patriots 03/13/2012 Antwaun Molden - Declared free agent 03/13/2012 Bret Lockett - Declared free agent 03/13/2012 Niko Koutouvides - Re-signed to Patriots 03/13/2012 Mark Anderson - Declared free agent 03/13/2012 Brian Hoyer - 03/13/2012 BenJarvus Green-Ellis - Declared free agent 03/13/2012 Gary Guyton - Declared free agent 03/13/2012 James Ihedigbo - Declared free agent 03/13/2012 Nate Jones - Declared free agent 03/13/2012 Matthew Slater - Declared free agent 03/13/2012 Deion Branch - Declared free agent 03/13/2012 Andre Carter - Declared free agent 03/13/2012 Gerard Warren - Declared free agent 03/13/2012 Shaun Ellis - Declared free agent 03/13/2012 Kevin Faulk - Declared free agent 03/13/2012 Dan Connolly - Declared free agent 03/13/2012 Tracy White - Declared free agent 03/13/2012 Dan Koppen- Declared free agent


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    Re: Kirwan's Analysis

    In response to ClarkGriswold's comment:

    How is that you think spamming this board with transaction wires actually get you out of the statement that BB "has had dozens of draft picks and FAs" trying to get it right?

    List the 24+ so we can see the names.  This means you have to list the ones that BB signed that were GREAT signings or draft picks.

    Like I said, good luck. LOL.  You'll need it.

    If you were to do this fairly, since 2009 when he scaled back and dealt Seymour and Vrabel to start over, you're premise would be seen as totally, 100% WRONG.

     




    You merely need to go through that list to see the failed FA signings, trades, and lost accusitions, cuts of recent picks, Draft picks, to get your answer.

    That's just this year.  All those players replaced others that didn't work out.  It does not even begin to project all those failed players that will be cut this ( the ones they kept)year because they sucked.

    Do you not understand this?

     

     
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    Re: Kirwan's Analysis

    Russ, tough to say bb is the best GM in the cap era when he has himself as HC as well. The true tess would be to see if another good coach could take this roster and produce as many wins. I doubt it it could happen. That was my poInt. He wins almost inspite of his gm mess ups and does so primarily because of tb and the offense . you really don't think we would be producing 12-13 win seasons without tb and the offense with our current defense do you? I agree if falters at the most strenuous of times, but so does bb coaching as of late. 

    why only look as far back as 2009? I think 2006-07 are the key beginnings of the so called rebuilding effort. We should come up with a list of FA's and draft picks from those years forward and see what the success rate is. My point is to not bash bb, but rather say we probably would have won the 2 we lost and maybe more if we had succeeded more in both fa and the draft.  We had more picks than any in those years and I think our rebuilding effort would have been complete with great success if we didn't have to continually draft various positions like cb, and hit better on FA talent in key areas like WR, safety and DT. It is curious that a large majority of the personnel blunders have been on defense ....weird

     
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    Nit picking? 

    Those are all failed transactions in one calander year,  Actually, it's not over yet, to replace last year and the year before that and the year before that and the years before those FAILURES!

    Very few of those transactions worked out (mostly a few ps players) and some mediocre players that will ultimately have to be re-replaced because they suck.

    I understand perfectly that the cap restricts you from signing 53 probowlers but the payment for all that dead wood does also.  Giving out roster spots and cutting them in the same year is not only a waste of cap but prohibits the accusitions of players that may actually work out. 

    How much $$$ did they waste on recievers alone, last year?  How many DB's since 2007?  All those contracts cost money, result in dead money, which reduces cap.  Still paying players like Ocho, who they cut and signed 10 more recievers only to replace Branch who they ultimately had to re-sign twice,( this year) is not good business.  Replacing Branch with an older, injured, slower Branch makes no sense.  Neither do the T. Underwoods and Price's and Galloway's of the world.  THEY ALL SUCKED!  I wouldn't call signing injury prone bargain basement players good business, either, as NE ALWAYS is high in IR'd players.  More failed transactions, more wasted $$$, requiring them to sign more and more failures.

    Were not talking about staffing a McDonalds here.  We're talking about staffing a team that requires good players and continuity to make it work.  He11, even McD's has to do that to some degree, but they are not replacing $8 hr employees, they are replacing and still paying for 6 and 7 figure failures.  The D has been a complete failure with a few good players and many more replacable ones.  The Recievers have been a failure with the exception of Welker and some TE's.  Special teams?  Meh! Still no one to return kicks and when one player, Tracy White went down, they fell apart. One player on D goes down and they fall apart.  A TE goes down and they fall apart.  That spells crap for depth because of all those wasted picks.  CRAP!

     

    This is a significant fault that HASN'T paid off.  Unless you think keeping a few players out of many (as you can easily see) is a good thing.  Especially since most of them will have to be replaced again this year. 

    I guess since BB found one diamond in the rough, (TFB) he thinks he can do it consistantly.

    NOT!

    There's plenty of diamond mines in Africa that need picking.  In NE, not so much.

      They need stability and some decent depth as a complete team, not a bunch of coal.

     
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    Re: Kirwan's Analysis

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    Well, a thread on its own has to be started at this point to slap RKrap and Cupcake's incredbile belligerence with their embarrassing lack of knowledge on the salary cap and reality of what poor management of the cap means for teams.  If they each weren't so wrong and yet so arrogant about not admitting how wrong they've been, this probably wouldn't be necessary.

    Compare those clubs they rave about being superior to how BB has handled things, and it's night and day.

    Basically, everything I've said recently on this board is reflected in Kirwan's analysis. Teams to stuggle? Ravens. Yep. Giants. Yep. Saints. Yep.  We know about the Jets and Cowboys pending disasters, but the usual playoff suspects may not be playoff teams in upcoming seasons due to poor management under the cap.

    Thank you again, BB.  What we're witnessing is greatness in terms of personnel and cap management in this era.

    The time has come for RKrap and Mt Hurl/Cupake to back off and admit that their unhealthy disdain for BB and with the Pats not winning a Sb every year, blaming him exclusively, is their own mental instability.

    The rest of us fans will absolutely enjoy BB positioning this team for another deep playoff run in 2013:

     

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21663914/power-teams-for-2013-five-in-best-position-to-dominate

    The Super Bowl ends the 2012 season and it's time to look at the 2013 business season. In the modern NFL, teams are built and torn down in the supposed offseason. The truth is there is no offseason in the NFL.

    When summer camp opens the rosters are basically set and teams are simply practicing for the upcoming games.

    Clubs with salary cap issues like the New York Jets and Dallas Cowboys are up against some tough odds to build a team ready to win in 2013.

    Even the world champion Baltimore Ravens have hurdles to get over to replenish their roster and get Joe Flacco under contract. Franchising Flacco sounds easy enough, but that tag would wipe out the salary cap space they have and leave nothing to sign their own unrestricted free agents. Tough choices have to be made, and Steve Bisciotti told me personnel meetings are already under way.

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    Teams like the New York Giants are already doing some house cleaning with the release of Ahmad Bradshaw, Chris Canty and Michael Boley, but cutting players for cap reasons doesn't mean the talent released has been replaced. There will be plenty of players on other teams released in the coming weeks.

    There are 10-12 teams projected to be over the salary cap of $121 million will flood the veteran pool and make it a buyers' market in 2013. Money and cap space are real power in the coming months. If your favorite club doesn't have its ducks in order things could get rough.

    To improve in 2013, teams need to grow from this point not go backwards because of cap issues, the lack of draft picks, the loss of coaches, players and the constant need to get younger.

    I looked at all 32 teams and arrived at the top five in the best shape to go forward in 2013 from a football and business sense.

    The criteria I used included:

    • How good was the team in 2012?

    • How many returning starters are already under contract?

    • Is there a franchise quarterback under contract?

    • How much salary cap space do they have at this point?

    • Are the head coach and coordinators back for another season?

    • How many significant players have five or less years of experience?

    • How many veterans needed to be released for salary cap, age or injury reasons?

    • Do they have a full complement of draft picks?

    Taking a look at teams with these eight criteria as the barometer can put into perspective how realistic it is for a franchise to be ready for the 2013 season.

    Here are my top five franchises poised to make a run in 2013 because they have the personnel, money and infrastructure in place. Keep in mind salary cap space fluctuates almost on a daily basis.

    1. Seattle: The Seahawks won 11 games in 2012, return 20 starters and found their franchise QB in Russell Wilson. They also have close to $18 million in salary cap space. There are 15 significant players with five or less years of experience and they have eight draft picks. Seattle did lose its defensive coordinator to the Jaguars, but Pete Carroll is a defensive-minded coach. This team is in a great situation to start extending solid young players on their roster. GM John Schneider is an aggressive deal maker, and a few trades could bring the Seahawks even more draft picks or players to one of the youngest teams in the NFL.

    2. San Francisco: The 49ers won 11 games in 2012 and almost won the Super Bowl. They return 19 starters, found their franchise QB in Colin Kaepernick but have only have $4 million to $5 million in salary cap space. They have nine significant players with five or fewer years of experience and have 11 draft picks in 2013. With extra picks in Rounds 3, 5, 6, 7, GM Trent Balke can move up if he sees players of value. It would be hard to have 11 draft picks make this roster in 2013, but that's a good problem to have coming off a Super Bowl run. If Alex Smith is traded, the Niners will have even more picks and cap space to work with this spring.

    3. New England: The Patriots won 12 games in 2012. They have 19 returning starters, Tom Brady is under contract and they have about $18 million in cap space. They have 14 significant players with five or fewer years of experience but only five draft picks at this point. Bill Belichick is always capable of creating more draft picks by moving down in rounds. The Patriots will find bargain veterans in the post-draft period of free agency and have the money to sign as many as they want.

    4. Green Bay: The Packers won 11 games in 2012, have 20 returning starters, Aaron Rodgers is still under contract and they have a modest $7 million in salary cap space. They have 12 significant players with five or fewer years of experience and seven draft picks.

    5. Denver: The Broncos won 13 games in 2012, return 18 starters, Peyton Manning is under contract and they have close to $17 million in cap space. They have 10 significant players with five or fewer years of experience and all seven draft picks. Denver did lose its offensive coordinator to San Diego, but Manning acts like the coordinator anyway.

    Teams such as Atlanta, Indianapolis, Cincinnati and Houston were all considered for the top five but fell short in one area or another when compared to these five team above. The Bengals have close to $50 million in cap space but will they use it? Indianapolis has $40 million in cap space but only four draft picks and lost its offensive coordinator.

    Note that good franchises like the Steelers, Giants and Saints have cap issues that might set their rosters back at a time when the top five teams are moving forward.

     

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    you just never stop do you?

    first of all the Giants are releasing players from a SB Championship team, the core of which remains in place. See, that's how you do it and how any good organization does it. Thats why Eli and Cruz and JPP and Nicks and Rolle (need i go on?) will all be there-weeee bit harder to replace them

    Second of all, exactly who have the Giants released that will "hurt" them next season? Exactly who that can't be replaced? Canty? Bradshaw? who exactly?

    And don't you have the brains to think they have players ready to take their place or will draft their replacements, as Jerry Reese has shown he is so capable of?

    Jeez this is Football 101 stuff...roster turnover is the only constant in the NFL and was even before ur sacred cap due to no guraranteed contracts and the attrition/short lifespan of players in so physical a sport.

    You still don't get it and won't acknowledge it no matter how many times I have to tell you: the Giants have been drafting and building teams the same way long before their was a cap so the cap hasn't had that much effect on how they do business and how they build a team.

    For the thousandth time since George Young in 1979 at the very least they are basically conservative with years and money in contracts, do not sign FA very often (and almost exclusively not the big name high price ones), draft the best athlete regardless of position, move up or down to stockpile picks and will replace vets with rookies at key positions if and when neceassary

    In other words everything they taught Bill Bellichick when he was here, especially Parcells

    it just never ends no matter many times ur shown to be  wrong

     



         You're not conceding that the Giants are done next year, are you, Jints? The NFC East is theirs for the taking. The Eagles are going nowhere with Michael Vick as their starting QB. The Cowboys are disfunctional under the "leadership" of their self proclaimed GM, Jerry Jones. The Redskins likely ruined the career of RG III. They'll have to run a more traditional style of offense next season, to protect his gimpy knee.   

     

         Which brings us to the G-men. True, they have plenty of holes to fill...with their greatest needs being on their defensive and offensive lines. That's where they should seek help in the draft. Though WR Victor Cruz is a very good slot receiver and a fan favorite...he's not worth upsetting the teams' salary structure to pay him the kind of money that he's seeking. Nor is Hakeem Nicks worthy of breaking the bank on. He's too injury prone. Eli Manning can and will make due with lesser receivers, so long as he's adequately protected.      




    done next year? of course not!! thats queenie talking his bs again

    hell at 8-5 they were primed then it fell off so time to regroup...i know they are in a real division in a superior conference but i fully expect a nice bounce back, especially this coming season where their schedule downgrades from ridiculous to normal  :  )

     
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    Re: Kirwan's Analysis

    In response to digger0862's comment:

    The Patriots finished in the top 4 this year and top 2 last year. If they are such a failure, what does that say for the other 28 or so teams?




    why do u always bring this same caveat to any and all discusions like this?

    I can only speak for me but have a funny feeling I am speaking for many when i say I am responding only and in kind to rusty's agenda/obsession /sickness that he routinely bashes everyone over the head with ie: BB is the greatest of everything all time in any sport anywhere-all said in his usual obnoxious, arrogant, been banned 12 times way he always does

    add to this he goes out of his way to call every other team/gm/organization inferior to the almighty pats mainly b/c bb is the all time greatest of everything in any sport anywhere-which he also expresses in his obnoxious, arrogant, been banned 12 times way of his

    no one that i see has ever said the pats or bellichick aren't top drawer but thats not nearly enough for the fan who thinks bill bellichick invented the forward pass...hell runnig with the ball...hell uniforms

     
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