Kraft: All Class

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    Kraft + Bellicheck + Brady = best owner/head coach/ quarterback combo in Pats history... Enjoy the ride ... Unicorns, show ponies, where's the beef?.... Go Pats!!!!

     
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    Yeah, Mr. Generous.

    That's like someone with $230,000 in the bank donating $50.  That's not generous.

     

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    How much did YOU donate?

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    To this charity:  $0

    To other charities:  More than $50, and I don't have $230,000 in the bank.

    NAS: All Class

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    Yes a bear NAS's in the Woods...

     
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    I don't normally criticize other posters but Not-A-Shot, you were out of line in your original post and you are not improving matters by perpetuating the dialog.  

    And anyone who actually knows anything about the Connecticut piece knows Kraft never intended to move the team here.  It was a negotiating device - nothing more and nothing less and it is something that goes on in the business world all the time.

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    Sure.  He just lied to us and told us he was moving the team in order to squeeze more public funds out of Mass despite his billions of dollars.

    All class.

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    Leave the board, you phony.   He's the only owner in the league to build his own stadium with his own money. He came from a position of weak leverage and built the "crown jewel of the NFL" (Tagliabue 2002) with his own money.

    Kraft did not squeeze public funds out of the taxpayers, moron.   Improving infrastructure around the area (which wasn't much) with some taxpayer money was a very mininmal investment when compared to the ROI on the community since the early 2000s. Restaurants. hotels, bars, jobs, etc have all been the reward of that new stadium he paid for by himself.

    This information is well known to any Pats fan. Since you are not a Pats fan, but a dorky Bruinsn fan boy, it is now time for you to leave the board, loser.

     

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    Tried to move the team to Rhode Island.

    Tried to move the team to Connecticut.

    Took a loan from the NFL to build a new stadium which is being paid back with seat revenue that should be going to the opposing team.

    Total cost of the stadium project:  $355M ($285M for the stadium from Kraft, $70M from Massachusetts for infrastructure).  The State of Massachusetts had to foot 20% of the project.

    He also tried to ruin the entire area by building a casino across from the stadium.

    He also took the town of Foxborough to federal court to get the right to speak at town meetings.

    From my point of view:

    Every single thing that is paid for in association with being at a Patriots game is too expensive.  He's a businessman and he's conducting business.  I respect him for being an incredible businessman.

    It doesn't mean I like who he is as a person.

     
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    Might be all class within the context of the Pats Organization - but in his personal life? not so much -his wife wasn't even cold yet and the guys got a thirty something year old gold-digger in the bedroom!!!! Thought Jewish people had gooples of morals and ethics--I was wrong. Moneys not the only thing on Mr. Krafts mind---I'm sure I'll be catching some flak for this post?

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    Who the hell are you questioning what he does and who he sleeps with?What business is it of yours?Is it affecting you at all,or are you just so f-ing perfect that you can decide who should be sleeping with who?

    Maybe instead of being such a judgemental doshbag,you should work on your own issues.It's very obvious that you're an ignorant type who thinks that your sht doesn't stink,and NOTHING could be further from the truth. 

     While you're at it,why don't you find a nice non-jewish  football team to root for,you don't deserve to be a fan of the greatest franchise in the NFL and it's well respected owner.

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    Hey mojo-this is a Pats forum where I thought opinions were welcome--sorry Mine did'nt jive with yours--and BTW you misspelled doshbag? If your'e going to open a post ABOUT class then let us be objective and bring in all facets of the man--I don't own an NFL team and criticism comes with the territory-obviously I hit a nerve with some posters believing the Pats are always above reproach--no one is perfect my friend! I will also cheer on the team of my choice without your pemission? And I'm not questioning who he sleeps with yet am STATING it to be a CLASSLESS act to romp around in public with someone who is your daughters age and tell people she is your girlfriend--I deem that to be classless, especially so soon after your wifes death? We're all flawed some more than others. Lastly you are doing some judging yourself based upon your post addressed at me?  Have a nice weekend and try to not let the opinions of others bother you so much-It's just an opinion!

     
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    I don't normally criticize other posters but Not-A-Shot, you were out of line in your original post and you are not improving matters by perpetuating the dialog.  

    And anyone who actually knows anything about the Connecticut piece knows Kraft never intended to move the team here.  It was a negotiating device - nothing more and nothing less and it is something that goes on in the business world all the time.

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    Sure.  He just lied to us and told us he was moving the team in order to squeeze more public funds out of Mass despite his billions of dollars.

    All class.

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    Leave the board, you phony.   He's the only owner in the league to build his own stadium with his own money. He came from a position of weak leverage and built the "crown jewel of the NFL" (Tagliabue 2002) with his own money.

    Kraft did not squeeze public funds out of the taxpayers, moron.   Improving infrastructure around the area (which wasn't much) with some taxpayer money was a very mininmal investment when compared to the ROI on the community since the early 2000s. Restaurants. hotels, bars, jobs, etc have all been the reward of that new stadium he paid for by himself.

    This information is well known to any Pats fan. Since you are not a Pats fan, but a dorky Bruinsn fan boy, it is now time for you to leave the board, loser.

     

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    Who are you or anyone else to tell someone to leave the bouard? Some of the posters on this board have created a dictatorship feel amongst themselves--some of you should have been politicians-you'd fit right in!

     
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    Tried to move the team to Rhode Island.

    Tried to move the team to Connecticut.

    Took a loan from the NFL to build a new stadium which is being paid back with seat revenue that should be going to the opposing team.

    Total cost of the stadium project:  $355M ($285M for the stadium from Kraft, $70M from Massachusetts for infrastructure).  The State of Massachusetts had to foot 20% of the project.

    He also tried to ruin the entire area by building a casino across from the stadium.

    He also took the town of Foxborough to federal court to get the right to speak at town meetings.

    From my point of view:

    Every single thing that is paid for in association with being at a Patriots game is too expensive.  He's a businessman and he's conducting business.  I respect him for being an incredible businessman.

    It doesn't mean I like who he is as a person.

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    Yeah, a citizen of this country should never have the right to speak at a lawful assembly. The founding fathers would be appalled at his audacity.

     
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    I don't normally criticize other posters but Not-A-Shot, you were out of line in your original post and you are not improving matters by perpetuating the dialog.  

    And anyone who actually knows anything about the Connecticut piece knows Kraft never intended to move the team here.  It was a negotiating device - nothing more and nothing less and it is something that goes on in the business world all the time.

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    Sure.  He just lied to us and told us he was moving the team in order to squeeze more public funds out of Mass despite his billions of dollars.

    All class.

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    Leave the board, you phony.   He's the only owner in the league to build his own stadium with his own money. He came from a position of weak leverage and built the "crown jewel of the NFL" (Tagliabue 2002) with his own money.

    Kraft did not squeeze public funds out of the taxpayers, moron.   Improving infrastructure around the area (which wasn't much) with some taxpayer money was a very mininmal investment when compared to the ROI on the community since the early 2000s. Restaurants. hotels, bars, jobs, etc have all been the reward of that new stadium he paid for by himself.

    This information is well known to any Pats fan. Since you are not a Pats fan, but a dorky Bruinsn fan boy, it is now time for you to leave the board, loser.

     

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    Who are you or anyone else to tell someone to leave the bouard? Some of the posters on this board have created a dictatorship feel amongst themselves--some of you should have been politicians-you'd fit right in!

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    I didn't tell anyone to leave the board. I highlighted the points I agreed with. Perhaps you meant to reply to someone else?

     
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    Tried to move the team to Rhode Island.

    Tried to move the team to Connecticut.

    Took a loan from the NFL to build a new stadium which is being paid back with seat revenue that should be going to the opposing team.

    Total cost of the stadium project:  $355M ($285M for the stadium from Kraft, $70M from Massachusetts for infrastructure).  The State of Massachusetts had to foot 20% of the project.

    He also tried to ruin the entire area by building a casino across from the stadium.

    He also took the town of Foxborough to federal court to get the right to speak at town meetings.

    From my point of view:

    Every single thing that is paid for in association with being at a Patriots game is too expensive.  He's a businessman and he's conducting business.  I respect him for being an incredible businessman.

    It doesn't mean I like who he is as a person.

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    So now you are concerned with other teams being short hanged?  I take that option Over spending my tax dollars everytime. I also believe the 70M was repaid as part of the agreement. I have four season tickets and believe I should pay for my choice of entertainment not the government.  Btw seat revenue is such a small part of the revenue stream that teams could play in front of empty stadia and still be profitable

     

    as far as the casino goes there were a number of people who supported it and do not share your point of view. I also agree with jrl. A faction of the foxboro BOS and the town manager decided to prove their manhood by muzzling the kraft reps.  I admire kraft for standing up to them and exert his rights

     
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    Yeah, a citizen of this country should never have the right to speak at a lawful assembly. The founding fathers would be appalled at his audacity.

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    A corporation is not a citizen.  Your high school teachers would be appaled at this stupidity.

     
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    Yeah, a citizen of this country should never have the right to speak at a lawful assembly. The founding fathers would be appalled at his audacity.



    A corporation is not a citizen.  Your high school teachers would be appaled at this stupidity.

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    He originally asked to address them personally and when he was denied he got his lawyers involved. Before you insult someone know the facts.

     
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    as far as the casino goes there were a number of people who supported it and do not share your point of view.

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    Yes, there were a number of people.  Just not nearly as many as those who opposed it because of all the bad things that are associated with it.

    I don't want to get into the casinos good/bad debate (for the record, I love going to the casinos!), but the negative effects it has on a community are clear.  Foxboro is a nice town.  Put the casino in Walpole!

     
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    I haven't seen this documentary, but apparently, a Pats fan, Sam Berns, spoke to the team before the Atlanta game.

    Very inspirational and when you learn about people like Sam Berns, it obviously makes you feel smaller than you are.

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/powerful-hbo-documentary-moves-new-england-patriots-owner-to-pledge-up-to-500000-to-progeria-research-foundation-227286551.html

    http://www.progeriaresearch.org/breaking-news.html

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    Very inspiring! Thanks for sharing this.

     
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    Might be all class within the context of the Pats Organization - but in his personal life? not so much -his wife wasn't even cold yet and the guys got a thirty something year old gold-digger in the bedroom!!!! Thought Jewish people had gooples of morals and ethics--I was wrong. Moneys not the only thing on Mr. Krafts mind---I'm sure I'll be catching some flak for this post?

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    Maybe the worst post I've read that didn't come from the Belichick haters( babe, hurtle, prolate, t cal).

    You, "thought Jewish people had gooples of morals and ethics"? Oh but wait, you were "wrong"! So, can we safely assume from your thoroughly ignorant post that you not only dislike a guy you have never met because of something you read in the tabloids, but that you have concluded from your well researched study, that the Jewish people do not in fact have any "gooples of morals and ethics"? 

    Great job here buddy. 

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    TC - he's obviously a d00sh, thanks for smacking him down!!

     
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    I don't normally criticize other posters but Not-A-Shot, you were out of line in your original post and you are not improving matters by perpetuating the dialog.  

    And anyone who actually knows anything about the Connecticut piece knows Kraft never intended to move the team here.  It was a negotiating device - nothing more and nothing less and it is something that goes on in the business world all the time.

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    Sure.  He just lied to us and told us he was moving the team in order to squeeze more public funds out of Mass despite his billions of dollars.

    All class.

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    You obviously are an employee and not in management. Your opinion shows why.

     
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    Yeah, a citizen of this country should never have the right to speak at a lawful assembly. The founding fathers would be appalled at his audacity.

     



    A corporation is not a citizen.  Your high school teachers would be appaled at this stupidity.

     




    Kraft is a citizen, who happens to lead a corporation. Your hs teachers should be appalled at your spelling.

     

     
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    Kraft is a citizen, who happens to lead a corporation. Your hs teachers should be appalled at your spelling.

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    Kraft didn't want the right to speak.  He wanted his company voice to be heard.  Therefore, your statement is off the mark.  Lee Harvey Oswald would be appalled at your accuracy!

     
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    Great thread, thanks for posting.

     
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    The supreme court has in fact said that corporations are people and do have the right to fee speech.  Remember citizens united?

    also companies speak before boards all the time such as zoning and conservation boards as to impacts their business face.  The kraft companies spend a lot of time before various fox boro boards.  They are exercising their right to spark here.  The Foxboro BOS and former town manager tried a power play to squelch dissent from their anti casino agenda and rightfully got nailed for it

     

     
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    Wow, the Kraft All Class boys disappeared when the casino info was posted.

     

     
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    Yeah I have totally owned you on this threa so that you keep changing your story. You are a total fraud 

     
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    I'm sure Myra would approve, Jonathan is not embarassed and if Kraft had no money she would still be in his arms.

    All Class.

     
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    Wow, the Kraft All Class boys disappeared when the casino info was posted.

     

    Is there a problem with casinos that I'm unaware of? They're massive revenue generators and employers. They should be everywhere, sports books too.

    There's one 10 miles from where I live. It's packed at all hours and employees hundreds, maybe more for all I know.  It pays something like $80 mil in taxes to the state every year. People fly and drive in from all over to stay there and spend their money.  They're always upgrading the place, it's well patrolled, crime free and has several excellent restaurants.

    Yeah, I can see why you wouldn't want that in your pristine town.

    Kraft is a hard-nosed businessman who is bound to make enemies. That's life, get over it. The good he's done is Mt. Everest compared to any negative, which is a molehill. 

     

     
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    Wow, the Kraft All Class boys disappeared when the casino info was posted.

     

     

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    Is there a problem with casinos that I'm unaware of? They're massive revenue generators and employers. They should be everywhere, sports books too.

    There's one 10 miles from where I live. It's packed at all hours and employees hundreds, maybe more for all I know.  It pays something like $80 mil in taxes to the state every year. People fly and drive in from all over to stay there and spend their money.  They're always upgrading the place, it's well patrolled, crime free and has several excellent restaurants.

    Yeah, I can see why you wouldn't want that in your pristine town.

    Kraft is a hard-nosed businessman who is bound to make enemies. That's life, get over it. The good he's done is Mt. Everest compared to any negative, which is a molehill. 

     

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    A little naive, maybe? I love casinos as much as the next guy but some residents don't want them in their town. Your argument are the pros, the cons would be quality of life issues, such as higher crime rate, increased traffic, town resources etc..Also, if you own a business in that town such as a restaraunt or anything else the entertainment/recreational the last thing you want is a casino who comes in with it's own shops and places to eat.

    Like I said, I like casinos, but not everyone gains from their arrival.

     
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    Is there a problem with casinos that I'm unaware of? They're massive revenue generators and employers. They should be everywhere, sports books too.

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    A little naive, maybe? I love casinos as much as the next guy but some residents don't want them in their town. Your argument are the pros, the cons would be quality of life issues, such as higher crime rate, increased traffic, town resources etc..Also, if you own a business in that town such as a restaraunt or anything else the entertainment/recreational the last thing you want is a casino who comes in with it's own shops and places to eat.

    Like I said, I like casinos, but not everyone gains from their arrival.

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    What crime? I can tell you there is no crime on the casino grounds near me, it's well lit and there are tons of security folks patrolling at all times.

    The crime argument is bogus anyway. Do casinos turn otherwise innocent people into criminals by their mere presence? Does that make any sense? Is it the mafia that you're worried about? Please. 

    Increased traffic and use of resources? This is a problem really? This is a business that employs what, a couple thousand people maybe, in jobs that didn't exist before it got there, that contributes millions upon millions in income and property taxes and draws visitors from all over, and you're worried about traffic and a few cops? Real forward thinking. 

    You don't locate a casino in a residential neighborhood, you locate it in a place that can handle traffic and is not going to cause problems for locals, obviously. Next to a football stadium that already has that stuff figured out would seem to be a good spot.

    I get the NIMBY attitude, but that doesn't mean it makes sense.

     
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