Re: Let's Put it to a Poll
posted at 4/13/2014 12:10 PM EDT
In response to TrueChamp's comment:
In response to mthurl's comment:
In response to TrueChamp's comment:
What I think fans don't realize or don't think to, is that Head Coaches come into a program and hire all their own people, or people recommended by their people, or people similiar to their people. They do that for a reason. I have been an executive chef of restaurants for the last 15 years of my life. When I have started a new endeavor, the 1st thing I do is call "my guys" people who have worked for me, Sous Chefs, kitchen managers, front of house managers, key staff memebers and regular staff. I do this because despite being a part of a different organization, in order to be successful I need people around me who know my system. "You are only as good as the people around you" is a great quote to ponder for those of you in a position of leadership.
Well, BB has been more succesful then any coach or GM in the league for well over a decade, and when that happens his staff gets opportunities to move on and make their own way, and yes good leaders have succession plans, but it doesn't always work out as planned. There is a learning curve for new younger managers/coaches, and your business more often then not will suffer because of it. The Patriots have suffered on the biggest stage(post season) due to this imo.
Simply saying...."we have BB we have great coaching" is not true. The NFL is LOADED with talent. There are hundreds of guys who could be super stars who never even get on the field due to how much talent exists. These are the best athletes from all over the country and sometimes the world. Coaching and GM's are the men responsible for getting that talent or sometimes that work ethic onto a field and bringing it out of them.
If talent was more Important then guys like Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Chuck noll, Paul Bear Bryant etc etc wouldn't be held in such regard. These were leaders of men, and they were the difference between excellence and mediocrity, between winning and losing. And while we might not be privy to the names of their great assistants who helped them win championships, we know as sure as sht they had them, just like BB did with his staff he single handedly brought into N.E in 2000.
Coaching is more important then talent will ever be. Great coaching separates the men from the boys...literally.
I agree with some of this - I think it's the coaching that separates these teams...this talent that is league wide. People run around here all day long saying BB is the greatest GM of all time, well guess what? There is talent everywhere in this league - just like you said - the thing that separates that talent (raises the level) is the coaching. Look at the Bengals, they are pretty loaded with talent...put Belichick there and they are in the Super Bowl. You can say the same for the Texans over the last few years, but yet they have won nothing and their coach got fired.
Something else that has quietly been left out of this thread is the play of the quarterback. A great quarterback I think has the greatest impact of all, it's pretty hard to screw it up when you have that piece in place. And I'll use the Bengals and Texans as examples...both teams have talent up and down their rosters (maybe not great coaching, but talent), yet they both lack that elite QB and it killed them.
I watched the bengals last year in the playoffs lose because of their quarterback - the kid was throwing the ball 10 feet above his receivers heads. And we have seen first hand how Schaub blew games for the Texans....when they played us Schaub missed guys standing five yards wide open in front of him...he couldn't even complete those simple throws. It didn't matter that JJ Watt needed to be triple teamed or that Foster was gaining yards, or that A. Johnson was getting behind our secondary...not when your QB can't complete simple passes. You won't win.
How do you think Belichick would do if he was made the head coach of the bengals but the entire front office and coaching staff remained the same? You think he would just whip that team into a Super Bowl championship? I don't.
Do you acknowledge the correlation between a good head coach and a good coaching/ front office staff?
It takes more then 1 man to lead professional sports organizations. I have faith Bb has hired and developed some solid replacements for his long list of departed co workers but as I said there is definitely a learning curve and it will cause some player development problems and fundamental problems with the team, especially when expecting young players AND coaches to perform on the biggest stage(super bowls in front of millions).
In regard to QB play of course QB is the most important player on a team. Has Brady played at his dynasty era level in the biggest games since 2007? I think it is obviously no, but unlike crazy rusty I don't think it is Brady's fault. I think we have not done enough to help him win by taking pressure off of him, instead of placing more on him. If that makes sense.
Having your older less mobile QB throw 300 times to a 100 rushes against the best front 7's in the league has not boded well for Brady and our 15.5 ppg offense in our last 6 playoff losses.....has it?
Do I think Belichick would be able to turn the Bengals into Super Bowl contenders with their front office/slash GM? Yes I do. Their GM has brought in some serious talent for that team. Now if he had Brady with him, I'd take it a step further and say they would win a Super Bowl. I believe Belichick would coach the heck out of that defense, you'd see the Bengals not only beating up on teams, but confusing them. You don't see that their now - and they are talented - but Belichick would raise that a couple of notches. and I don't think you'd see Brady over throwing their 6'4" receivers who run 4.4's...like Dalton did this post season.
Now if we are talking about just adding Belichick (without Brady), I still think they would be much better off. The defense would be better and the quaterback wouldn't be throwing the ball ten feet over their heads, because Belichick would see him doing that and change his resposibilities...he'd be dumping it off, he'd be throwing to the places he was confortable with, he'd be protected, his weakness's would be covered. Yeah he couldn't give you what Brady or an elite guy could, but he wouldn't be asked to win the game for you....more like manage it. We have seen Belichick do this with other QB's through his career - in the end they lost - but that further proves how important that franchise QB is.