Local Media Should Leave Haynesworth and Wilfolk Alone

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    [QUOTE]     Enough already! Yet another negative article about Albert Haynesworth's past, and also about the evils of Vince Wilfolk, for allegedly taking money while at the University of Miami. We've all heard about ths stuff many times by now, conjugated in numerous ways...but always delivering the same negative messages.      I can understand why the NY media will persist. They'll try to elevate their beloved Jets by creating as many distractions as possible for the Goblin's chief rival in the AFC. But...what's the excuse for the local writers? Can't they find anything else to write about? After they did a hatchet job on ex-Patriot/alleged badboy Randy Moss, for an assault that he didn't commit...and railroaded the Patriots and their Hall of Fame coach with the bogus and overblown spygate allegations...you would think that they learned something. But...      Here's such a negative article written by a local writer for whom I've had great respect for over the years...Jim Donaldson of the Providence Journal. In it, he viciously attacks Haynesworth for his past, and Wilfolk for "not coming clean" about allegations that he took money ten years ago, while playing ball at the University of Miami. My comments are added, in bold black:   Jim Donaldson: Wilfork should come clean, yes, but he’s no Haynesworth       01:00 AM EDT on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 Vince Wilfork has no comment on the scandal involving his alma mater, the University of Miami – an extremely embarrassing, and highly damaging, tale of greed and sleaze in which the star nose tackle’s name has been prominently mentioned.   RESPONSE: Can you blame him? What does Vince have to gain by embroiling himself in this mess by commenting on it? What self-respecting lawyer would advise his client to do anything else? But at least Wilfork has said he’ll have no comment. That’s more than his fellow Patriots defensive lineman, Albert Haynesworth, had to say Monday after leaving the courthouse in Washington, D.C., where he pleaded no contest to a charge of misdemeanor simple assault. By doing so, Haynesworth avoided a trial that had been scheduled to begin Tuesday on a charge of misdemeanor sexual abuse resulting from a waitress’ charge that he slid his credit card into her dress and fondled her breast. RESPONSE: Allegedly. The State dropped a more serious charge to plead Haynesworth out to this...and further agreed to let him plead no contest. Considering that a lawsuit is out there regarding this matter, this is a major concession. Haynesworth's no contest plea can't be used against him as evidence of wrong doing in the civil suit. To avoid a highly publicized and highly distracting trial...what lawyer would have advised Haynesworth not to take this plea offer?  This would be the same Albert Haynesworth who earlier this year reached a settlement in the aftermath of a road rage incident. The same Albert Haynesworth who last season was suspended for the final four games for “conduct detrimental” to the team, according to coach Mike Shanahan, including “repeatedly refusing to cooperate with the coaching staff over an extended period of time.” The same Albert Haynesworth who, while with the Tennessee Titans, was thrown out of a game against the Cowboys for stomping on the bare head of Dallas center Andre Gurode, who was lying defenseless on the field. The shameful incident resulted in Haynesworth being suspended without pay for five games. RESPONSE: All true. But...all in the past...and Haynesworth was punished for each of these incidents. But, did he shoot kill anybody... or go to prison, or kill any animals, the way the NFL's new poster boy in Philadelphia did? Remember the Ron Mexico fiasco? Yet, Michael Vick was given a clean slate in Philadelphia...and, thus far, has made the most of it. Why can't Haynesworth be extended the same courtesy by the local media?     This is the same Albert Haynesworth the Patriots are getting — not a “new” Albert Haynesworth, as he would have New England fans believe. “I’m leaving all that stuff back in Washington,” Haynesworth said earlier this month, when he deigned to speak with media in New England. Haynesworth was back in Washington on Monday, but declined to speak with the media as he left the courthouse. He had his lawyer, A. Scott Bolden, do the talking, instead. RESPONSE: Again...in light of all the negative press, can you blame him? Didn't he hire a lawyer to represent him? So...what's wrong with the lawyer speaking for him? “Mr. Haynesworth is very pleased,” said Bolden, “to have this over … and move on with his life, get back to New England and get back to doing what he does best, and that’s play professional football. This was a difficult time for him, his family, and others connected to him.” Was there some reason we couldn’t hear those words from Haynesworth’s mouth, instead of from his hired mouthpiece?   RESPONSE: Yes. A football player is no match for a bunch of jackyls in the media. As for “a difficult time,” it would be putting it mildly to say that’s what Haynesworth gave the Redskins, who gave him an NFL-record $41 million in guaranteed money to come to Washington from Tennessee in 2009. Haynesworth certainly didn’t give the ’Skins much in the way of performance – or even effort.   RESPONSE: So what? That's between him and the 'Skins. Let's see what he does with a fresh start, away from the dingy house of losers in Washington.   That could never be said of Wilfork, who came to the Patriots as a first-round draft pick out of “the U” in 2004. A three-time Pro Bowl selection, Wilfork has been a team leader in New England, as well as being actively involved in community affairs, having been honored by Children’s Hospital Boston in recognition of his efforts on behalf of the hospital’s patients and their families. He and his wife, Bianca, annually host a Draft Day fundraiser for the Diabetes Research Institute. While Wilfork was playing for the ’Canes, his father died of diabetes. All of which makes it disappointing that Wilfork — who has been a stand-up guy with the Patriots — hasn’t been more forthcoming regarding what took place, and what he may have taken from run-amok booster and convicted felon Nevin Shapiro during his days at Miami.   RESPONSE: How does Vince wanting to stay out of the Miami mess lessen what he's done in his time in New England? He's being asked to respond to allegations of something that took place ten years ago. He's be an idiot to voluntary involve himself in that. Would you advise your son to "come clean", Jim...or to say, "no comment"?   “I’m done with that situation,” he said last week in the lockerroom at Gillette Stadium. “I’m going to move forward.” Before moving forward, Wilfork should look backward. RESPONSE: Why? This whole mess has come about based on the sole allegations of a convicted felon...a known con man, and thief. Again, would you advise your own son to "look back", Jim? He hasn’t denied any of Shapiro’s allegations. There has been no outcry of indignation or outrage by Wilfork. Neither has there been any admission of guilt. Perhaps, as Haynesworth did this week, he prefers to plead “no contest.” Spare me, please, the “everybody was doing it” excuse, which is a particular favorite here in Rhode Island, and is a partial explanation for why this state finds itself in such a sorry state.   RESPONSE: Excuse me, Jim. The problem for the sorry financial state RI finds itself in is due to years of unbridled, corrupt big government, and out of control unions. To somehow try to equate Vince's unwillingness to drag himself into an alleged scandal that took place a decade ago...or Haynesworth choosing to let his lawyer do his job by representing his interests, is ridiculous.     If Wilfork did, indeed, take 50 large — and perhaps other illegal (at least in the eyes of the NCAA) benefits — from Shapiro, let’s not pretend he didn’t know it was wrong. In which case, he should admit it, apologize for it, do his best to help the NCAA sort out the situation and determine an appropriate penalty for a university that clearly failed to exercise “institutional control.” RESPONSE: Seems to me that the failure to exercise institutional control was the main problem, which should be addressed...in all universities. Again...why should Wilfolk choose to embroil himself in this mess? Would you so advise your son? He should come clean regarding what he knows about what clearly was a very dirty program at Miami. Only then will it be time to “move forward.” RESPONSE: I totally agree and understand his stance. Why can't you? Why must you take this opportunity to criticize, based on unsubstantiated allegations...and when you would never advise your own son to "come clean".     Despite what went on in Coral Gables, there appears to be little reason in New England to worry about Wilfork. If only the same could be said for Haynesworth, who was a problem in Tennessee, an even bigger problem in Washington, and could be more of the same with the Patriots. RESPONSE: So...you didn't like the signing because of his past. Why can't you give this man the opportunity for a clean slate? If he messes up, then criticize and condemn. Michael Vick is making the most of his opportunity. If given a fair shake, maybe Albert Haynesworth can, too.    http://www.projo.com/patriots/content/donaldson_on_wilfork_and_haynesw_08-24-11_D5P.1d65afe.html      A most unfortunate and disappointing article for the usually fair and competent Jim Donaldson.
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    Sorry, Tex, but all college players are told and shown via a class setting what they can/can't do; what they can/can't accept. They have to sign off acknowledging this. Yet, when 75 players decide to ignore what they agreed to, then it's a problem. Because guess who gets hurt? The college, and the current players. See USC for proof of what Bush did there. Despite this, some writers/announcers are making excuses about the players being "impressionable kids". I guess it's OK to break rules in college, as long as you can rationalize why in your own mind. Whatever happened to the old saying: if it feels wrong, or if you feel the need to check first before engaging in the activity, DON'T DO IT!
     Guess there's no place in society for something called "personal responsibility" anymore. One very important lesson in life I learned was simply this: If I was man enough to do something that may/could/actually be considered "wrong", then I need to be man enough to raise my right hand and take responsibility for my actions, and NOT excuse why I did what I did. Sadly, that lesson isn't taught today. It's NEVER your fault fior any bad things. It's an excuse: 1) he came from a family of 9 with a single mother  2) I didn't think that taking the money was such a bad thing as the U is making millions off of me playing  3) he saw and knew of other players doing the same thing, but he took LESS  4) he didn't lo0ok at the exotic dancers with BOTH eyes  5) he seemed like such a great guy,a dn I always wanted to take rides on a real yacht.

    I will also agree that it's a clear case of the U not having any control, and actually encouraging this felon to do what he did as long as he gave the U checks for stuff.  No excuse for ignoring that huge pink elephant in teh middle of the dining room. In the past, the team has borne the brunt of sanctions from the NCAA. Some coaches have lost their jobs, but have managed to land elsewhere. It's good to see that, should the Ex-Tennessee basketball coach (Perlman) land somewhere else, that school will feel some of that pain for making that decision. I'm all for that. Then there's Ohio St. Tresel is gone, but it's time fopr the AD to go too, plus the president. After all, that deal took place on their watch. They need to feel the heat too. There looks to be too many dirty hands in this matter to try to pick out exactly who is to "blame (the Great Ameican Pastime: finding fault). So, just level the book on everyone.

    I wonder how many of this U 75 would egver be mistaken for Rhodes scholars?  But, it doesn't take one to know right from wrong. I'll withhold my judgement on all of this until such time the investigation is completed and the results reported. In this case, if proven so, they all (from the President to the AD to the coaches, to boosters) should be expelled from the program. I'd also give the U, a well known and well documented rogue sports dept, get the death penalty. That'll clear out the selfish "me first!" players, and force the program to rebuild. Do you think that SMU would EVER put themselves into a position to even remotely be reviewed for a violation of any kind? Message sent AND received. It's obvious that the admin of the U cannot control the program. So, it's time to take it down for a while and MAKE then comport. This goes for Ohio St, USC,  and any other program that is continually in the NCAA's crosshairs.

    Wilfork? Unless proven otherwise, he should just keep quiet until such time that the investigation is completed and brought to a conclusion. If he's proven to be "on the take", then he needs to step up and proclaim it (Ah! That "responsibility" bug-a-boo!). If not, he's owed an apology. His play for the Pats now has no bearing on what he may have done at the U, except that it goes to credibility. But, it'll be a shame if Miami gets hammered now, partly due to his selfish motivations. But, for himself and HIS reputation, he should get out in front of this now and say, one way or the other, that he DID or DID NOT accept any of those illegal benefits. Then let the investigation confirm his statement, one way or the other.

    As to the accuser's credibility? Remember this: everyone thought that Canseco was crazy when he gave the Enquirer the story about MLB players being juiced. He was painted as being "disgruntled" with an axe to grind. How'd that deal eventually turn out?  Whenever you see smoke, there's fire (unless you're big enough to be able to keep a lid on things.)
     
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    Killa like some one gets caught with weed 1 no 2 no 3 times  does that count in your books? probally not cause your a stoner
     
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    This has more to do with the athletic director and fooball coaches than the players. You'd be very niave to think they didn't know. Just like Tressel. And it doesn't just happen at a few places (the U, USC and Ohio State) it or something similar happens at any decent program ...cough cough SEC....SWC......
     
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    I couldn't care less about college players.  Haynesworth earned his criticism, Id prefer it be constructive not senstationalized to make headlines though.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Local Media Should Leave Haynesworth and Wilfolk Alone : Sorry, Tex, but all college players are told and shown via a class setting what they can/can't do; what they can/can't accept. They have to sign off acknowledging this. Yet, when 75 players decide to ignore what they agreed to, then it's a problem. Because guess who gets hurt? The college, and the current players. See USC for proof of what Bush did there. Despite this, some writers/announcers are making excuses about the players being "impressionable kids". I guess it's OK to break rules in college, as long as you can rationalize why in your own mind. Whatever happened to the old saying: if it feels wrong, or if you feel the need to check first before engaging in the activity, DON'T DO IT!
     
    RESPONSE: First of all, these are just allegations made by a convicted felon. NOTHING has been proven. Secondly, can we agree that this sort of thing has been going on years before Vince Wilfolk was born. Should we now go back over the history of college football and investigate other players who allegedly broke the rules? In the legal system, there is something known as the statute of limitations. Felonies for theft or fraud are, in some states, as short as three years. Are we going to extend the statute of limitations to 10 years for taking money against the rules? What will be the penalty? What will be the point? Who really cares? Why not instead make sure that this sort of thing doesn't happen anymore by reforming the rules...and put teeth in the penalties? But, this won't happen...cause the dirty little secret is that no one wants to legislate this sort of thing away.  

    Guess there's no place in society for something called "personal responsibility" anymore. One very important lesson in life I learned was simply this: If I was man enough to do something that may/could/actually be considered "wrong", then I need to be man enough to raise my right hand and take responsibility for my actions, and NOT excuse why I did what I did. Sadly, that lesson isn't taught today. It's NEVER your fault fior any bad things. It's an excuse: 1) he came from a family of 9 with a single mother  2) I didn't think that taking the money was such a bad thing as the U is making millions off of me playing  3) he saw and knew of other players doing the same thing, but he took LESS  4) he didn't lo0ok at the exotic dancers with BOTH eyes  5) he seemed like such a great guy,a dn I always wanted to take rides on a real yacht.
     
    RESPONSE: I can't argue with you here. But, again...these are mere allegations made by a crook that have not been corroborated, and have certainly not been proven. I wish that nearly as much energy were spent by the media on guys like Anthony Weiner, who lied to Congress. Yet...he was allowed to "move on" once he resigned...while Roger Clemens was prosecuted for the same offense. How about Charles Rangel and John Kerry (who seved in Viet Nam, you know), who committed tax evasion, yet are still "serving" in the House and Senate, respectively?  

    I will also agree that it's a clear case of the U not having any control, and actually encouraging this felon to do what he did as long as he gave the U checks for stuff.  No excuse for ignoring that huge pink elephant in teh middle of the dining room. In the past, the team has borne the brunt of sanctions from the NCAA. Some coaches have lost their jobs, but have managed to land elsewhere. It's good to see that, should the Ex-Tennessee basketball coach (Perlman) land somewhere else, that school will feel some of that pain for making that decision. I'm all for that. Then there's Ohio St. Tresel is gone, but it's time fopr the AD to go too, plus the president. After all, that deal took place on their watch. They need to feel the heat too. There looks to be too many dirty hands in this matter to try to pick out exactly who is to "blame (the Great Ameican Pastime: finding fault). So, just level the book on everyone.
     
    RESPONSE: How far back do you want to go? What will be the penalties assessed? Who will pay for such an investigation? Who really cares?

    I wonder how many of this U 75 would egver be mistaken for Rhodes scholars?  But, it doesn't take one to know right from wrong. I'll withhold my judgement on all of this until such time the investigation is completed and the results reported.

    RESPONSE: Judging from what you've said above, you haven't withheld your judgment. In your eyes, Vince is already guilty.  

     In this case, if proven so, they all (from the President to the AD to the coaches, to boosters) should be expelled from the program. I'd also give the U, a well known and well documented rogue sports dept, get the death penalty. That'll clear out the selfish "me first!" players, and force the program to rebuild. Do you think that SMU would EVER put themselves into a position to even remotely be reviewed for a violation of any kind? Message sent AND received. It's obvious that the admin of the U cannot control the program. So, it's time to take it down for a while and MAKE then comport. This goes for Ohio St, USC,  and any other program that is continually in the NCAA's crosshairs.
     
    RESPONSE: If all this investigations are done, who pays for it? How far back do you go? No one wants these NCAA rules to be strictly enforced.

    Wilfork? Unless proven otherwise, he should just keep quiet until such time that the investigation is completed and brought to a conclusion. If he's proven to be "on the take", then he needs to step up and proclaim it (Ah! That "responsibility" bug-a-boo!). If not, he's owed an apology. His play for the Pats now has no bearing on what he may have done at the U, except that it goes to credibility. But, it'll be a shame if Miami gets hammered now, partly due to his selfish motivations.

    RESPONSE: This is exactly what Vince is doing.

     But, for himself and HIS reputation, he should get out in front of this now and say, one way or the other, that he DID or DID NOT accept any of those illegal benefits. Then let the investigation confirm his statement, one way or the other.

    RESPONSE: Why should he do this? What self-respecting lawyer would ever recommend that his client do this? If Vince were your son, would you advise him to do this? This is what Roger Clemens did...and look what happened to him!  

    As to the accuser's credibility? Remember this: everyone thought that Canseco was crazy when he gave the Enquirer the story about MLB players being juiced.

    RESPONSE: On the contrary, I believed almost everything he said. He also wasn't a convicted felon.

    He was painted as being "disgruntled" with an axe to grind. How'd that deal eventually turn out?  Whenever you see smoke, there's fire (unless you're big enough to be able to keep a lid on things.)

    RESPONSE: When several people are saying the same thing...or when circumstantial evidence corroborates the accuser...yes. But, nothing but a convicted felon's allegations are out there right now.
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