Lockout nearing an end?

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    Tom Brady plaintiffs plan conference call, but no deal is imminent

    DeMaurice SmithAP

    The plaintiffs in the Tom Brady v. NFLlawsuit are planning a conference call for tonight, but that does not mean they’re going to approve a settlement as part of a new deal between the players and the owners.

    The plans for the conference call were reported by ESPN’s Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen, but they also report that the sides are still far enough apart that finalizing the deal Thursday would be close to impossible.

    Negotiations are ongoing today and scheduled to continue tomorrow. If a deal isn’t done tomorrow, the sides plan to keep negotiating through the weekend without the help of mediator Arthur Boylan, who is scheduled to leave for a vacation on Saturday.

    A done deal, according to the report, is unlikely before next week.

     
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    Video: Bedard on an approaching NFL deal

    Posted by Gary Dzen, Boston.com Staff           July 7, 2011 02:46 PM
     
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    Just want some football...60maxpowero.com
     
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    [QUOTE]http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2011/07/video_bedard_on_2.html?camp=localsearch:on:twit:pats Video: Bedard on an approaching NFL deal Posted by Gary Dzen, Boston.com Staff             July 7, 2011 02:46 PM
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    Why does Greg Bedard always look like a crazed homeless man? It is depressing.
     
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    Both sides have too much to lose if they don't get a deal done soon. I'm guessing they get it done within the week.
     
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    It's been "real close for a month now, I will believe it when I see it at this point.
     
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    Better start hammering out the rookie contracts soon. With holdouts and other issues these new guys dont have a lot of time to catch on and learn the playbook.
     
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    They better get this done soon, in about a week or 2 games will have to start being cancelled. Please get this done. I need free agency and training camp!
     
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    Monday’s labor talks will be lawyer only

    Roger Goodell, DeMaurice Smith,AP

    Next week’s labor talks will start with a similar structure to the last two weeks: The lawyers will start face-to-face work on Monday.  Albert Breer of NFL Network reports that owners and players are expected to arrive Tuesday or Wednesday.

    This news comes on the heels of two days of talks described as frustrating with “little progress” made on Friday.  Florio reports a stalemate has arisen over the rookie wage scale.

    It remains to be seen whether this slowed progress is an inevitable part of the process, or a hint this could still drag on a while.  We’ll say it again: No matter how “close” we hear things are and how much progress has been made, closing the deal is the hardest part.

    Timetables continued to be guessed at publicly and adjusted.  Optimism remains.

    I try to remember that even Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith don’t know how or when this will end.  So how can anyone else?

     
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    They better get this done soon before they start losing a ton of fans. I know I'm extremely pi##ed off with the NFL right now. They should have been working on all of this a long time ago instead of slacking off and assuming that everything will work out just because they are the mighty NFL.

    Settle your differences and let's get some football going you rich A-holes!
     
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    I think they will compromise on the rookie scale. I'm thinking it will be like the NHL rookie scale with exception of 1st rounds getting 4 yrs and a RFA yr but the RFA compensation might be lighter then current (ie only 1 pick a 1st being highest instead of multiple picks) and tender offers raised.
     
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            The franchise tender is already the average of the top five players at the same position that the player tendered plays.I guess you could raise it to the average of the top three players but I think that's about as much as is reasonable.It is still a mystery to me as to why the NFLPA is opposed to a sane rookie salary cap as it would put more dollars in the hands of players who have already proven their worth in the league.Given madical costs today it is my hope that the owners increase retired players benefits in this area and do it willingly.
     
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    kebbe - I was talking the RFA tenders not the franchise tag. Currently the max RFA tender in around 2.5 mil if I remember right. The could bring it up to 5 mil which should make the NFLPA a bit happier
     
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    Report: League, players targeting July 21 ratification of deal

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    When the NFL and the NFLPA* were last negotiating on Friday, the Eighth Circuit had thrown a gorilla wrench into the process with an unexpected ruling that helps and hurts both sides, causing the talks to bog down and creating a sense of gloom and doom.

    And so it’s surprising, to say the least, to see ESPN’s Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter reporting that the parties are now targeting July 21 for the ratification of a new labor deal by the owners.

    We reported last week that the owners will be meeting in Atlanta on July 21, at which time they would be gathered in one place and able to vote.  At least 24 of the 32 owners must approve the agreement before it can be effective.

    Per Mort and Schefter, a document titled “The Transition Rules” sets forth the time line for the events that will unfold after July 21.

    Mort and Schefter aren’t reporting a deal will be finalized.  Instead, they’re saying (and Schefter just said on ESPN2′s Mike & Mike in the Morning) that “many people believe” the deal will be completed in time to be ratified by July 21.

    Under the scenario, the only game that possible would be canceled is the annual Hall of Fame game, since the Bears and Rams are due to head to training camp on July 22.  Given that it’s a glorified practice session in which starters make only a cameo appearance and that NBC pays good money for the right to televise it, look for the league to play the game even if the Bears and Rams only a week to prepare for it.

     
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    More extensive than the Florio PFW article....

    Sources: Sides eye July 21 ratification

    By Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter
    ESPN

    There is a growing belief inside league circles that the NFL and NFL Players Association will have an agreement in place that can be ratified during the July 21 league meetings in Atlanta, according to sources familiar with the state of negotiations.

    As one NFL owner said this weekend, there's "no reason to believe it won't get done."

    Other people familiar with the talks now think an agreement in principle will be put in place in the next seven to 10 days, a handshake deal that would allow each side to ratify the deal to start the 2011 season.

    While a rookie wage system has been identified as the most complex issue still to be resolved between the owners and players as they return to the negotiating table this week in New York, the level of overall confidence in reaching an agreement also is evident in a document known as "The Transition Rules" that NFL teams would follow if and when both players and owners ratify a new labor agreement. 

    The Transition Rules spell out an actual timeline for roster transactions under the July 21 deal scenario, including the start of the new league year during which free agents would become eligible for the open market on July 28.

    With the tight timeline, teams will be scrambling to fill rosters that must be set at 90 players on roughly Aug. 3 -- but all training camps would be able to open on time.

    If the deal were to be ratified July 21, it would assure that almost all preseason games would be played, according to sources.

    The one game in danger would be the Aug. 7 Hall of Fame matchup between the Bears and Rams. There are still mixed opinions and thoughts as to whether that game could or would be played.

    The Transition Rules also would include a designated period for teams to sign undrafted free agent rookies, a pool that routinely provides productive and even star players.

    If and when the final issues are resolved, the two sides will have closed enough ground in other key areas to have an agreement in principle that the courts, players and owners must ratify. But those steps are expected to occur in the days leading up to, and during, the July 21 owners meetings in Atlanta.

    Once it is done, The Transition Rules will kick in. During the lockout, the NFL's Chief Executive Committee, or CEC, have selected a group of team executives to compile a timeline for how the offseason would operate from the moment a labor deal was done. The group produced plans for the lockout ending in March, June, July and October.

    The one now dated July 1 is likely to be applied to any deal done by July 21, and it would spell out how and when roster moves could and would be made. It doesn't mean the new league year will unfold exactly like this; but it won't be far off, either.

     

    Dates could be moved back within the framework of an already-outlined plan by the NFL for how a July 1 deal would have resulted in preparations for a season, according to sources. In the adjusted calendar, the league year would start and free agency would begin July 28.

     

    Here is how the outlined plan for a July 1 deal could be adjusted for a potential July 21 deal with what would be the corresponding dates, according to sources familiar with the document, which many teams in the league have not yet seen:

    • July 1 (July 21): Educate the clubs on the news league rules and allow voluntary training for teams and agents.

    • July 5 (July 25): Sign undrafted rookies, as well as give free agents a chance to re-sign with their teams.

    • July 8 (July 28) -- League year starts and free agency begins.

    • July 13 (Aug. 2) -- Rosters must be set at 90 players.

    • July 14 (Aug. 3) -- Deadline for restricted free agents to sign offer sheets.

    • July 18 (Aug. 7 ) -- A four-day match period for teams to match restricted free-agent offer sheets.

    • July 23 (Aug 12) -- Deadline for rookies to sign contracts (not yet agreed upon).

    • July 27 (Aug. 16) -- Signing period for restricted free agents ends, as does the signing period for franchise and transition tenders.

    • Aug. 9 (Aug. 29) -- Deadline for players to report to earned credit for an accrued season toward free agency.

    Of the dates, the most significant is July 28, which would be the start of the league year and the multitude of roster moves that teams have been waiting for and planning for months.

    The most intriguing is the deadline for rookies to sign their contracts. The NFL and NFLPA have discussed the idea of placing a deadline on rookies to sign to reduce the number of holdouts. Teams have expressed concern that the longer a rookie holds out, the higher his frequency for injury and failure are.

    The two sides still must figure out this issue, as well as how much rookies will be paid and how long their contracts will be. Just as the NFL has insisted that there cannot be federal oversight in the next labor deal, the NFLPA feels just as strongly that all rookie deals be four years, according to sources.

    But as one person close to the talks said this weekend, "We're at the 10-, maybe the 15-yard line, and we're marching down the field, and both sides want to score and I think we will."

    Yet the disagreement over a rookie wage system for those who were drafted in late April is now the darkest cloud hanging over negotiations that are nearly complete on most major issues.

    "The rookie wage scale is the only part I'm worried about," one source involved in the talks said this weekend. "They've finished the other important parts. The only issue left that can cause a problem is the rookie wage scale."

    Under the NFL's proposal, the top pick's contract value would go from $78 million over six years to $34 million over five years with the ability to renegotiate after three years.

    Owner and management sources maintain that the rookie wage system the players have proposed does not represent the anticipated dramatic reduction in salaries -- most notably for the top eight players chosen in the draft -- which would result in redistributed money to veteran players and retirees.

    Player sources countered by saying their proposed system provides considerable reduction to the 2010 rookie salaries and that the dispute is based on owners desire to not only cut salaries drastically but control players for five years, morphing into "a dramatic veteran wage scale, not a rookie scale."

    Aside from the rookie wage scale, the owners and players also have been stuck on a proposal by management that for the 2011 transition period, teams can exercise the right of first refusal on three free agents, in addition to their franchise-tag designees.

    The players have rejected the proposal, which means teams could match any contract offer and retain their free agent player.

    The two sides appear comfortable with a split of an all-revenue model in which players will receive about 48 percent of the money at the outset, and never less than approximately 46.5 percent as revenues are expected to grow significantly from $9.6 billion in 2011 over the term of an agreement that will be no less than seven years and couid go as long as 10.

    But just as there is a roadmap for how this summer will work, there also is a roadmap for completing a deal that has taken football as hostage since March 11.

    Chris Mortensen is a senior NFL analyst for ESPN. Adam Schefter is ESPN's NFL Insider

     
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    Rookie salary system a major discussion point as talks roll on




     
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    Adam Schefter 
    --However, one member of the players' negotiating team who has been a constant presence at the table said that players feel they have made significant concessions and overtures "that have not been reciprocated."
     
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    [QUOTE]How on earth did Breer get a job at NFLN?
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing[/QUOTE]

    It has to be a connection with somebody at NFL.COM
     
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    When the lockout ends and the season begins and progresses, expect a virtual plethora of injuries that will seriously derail so many prognostications.
     
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    NFL player says deal is not close, tells Roger Goodell to “drop his nuts”

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    Not everyone is feeling optimistic about a labor deal being approved by July 21.

    One nameless NFL player that spoke to Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com believes the owners are using the media to pressure players into a deal.

    “All that is hype coming from the owners side to try and put pressure on us to do a deal. They want to make us look bad. It’s simply not true. There is a lot of work to be done. They are not close,” the player said. “Consider where that information is coming from, it’s the owners. Their reason is to try and create all this false hope to put more pressure on us.”

    While we’d love to know if the player has direct knowledge of daily labor developments, his point is fair to consider. It wasn’t long ago we heard the end of June as a realistic target. Then July 4, then July 15, and now July 21.

    The player says he’d be “shocked” if we had a deal in 10 days.

    “Do it one-on-one like their predecessors used to do. When Gene Upshaw and Paul Tagliabue went into a room, they got it done. That’s what needs to happen now,” the player said. “The players in there are smart, but they don’t know how to close a deal. As for Goodell, he needs to drop his nuts. He needs to have the power to do a deal. It needs to be two guys in a room.”

     
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    Players, owners return to talks on Wednesday

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    As the NFL and the players attempt to iron out whatever wrinkles remain in the labor negotiations, the lawyers are expected to spend Tuesday dwelling on the details before the principals return to the room.

    Both Albert Breer of NFL Network and Sal “45 Down” Paolantonio of ESPN reports that the owners and players, along with Commissioner Roger Goodell and NFLPA* executive director DeMaurice Smith, will be back on Wednesday.

    Per Breer, the lawyers for the two sides met for roughly five hours on Monday, after caucusing privately.  They’ll get together again tomorrow.

    Paolantonio says that mediator Arthur Boylan will monitor progress via e-mail, and that he’s available for “a short phone call or two” if necessary.

    Though we respect Boylan’s ability to take his vacation, speaking from the perspective of a guy who’s currently on vacation, there’s plenty of time in the day to take a short phone call or two.

     
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    It is still a mystery to me as to why the NFLPA is opposed to a sane rookie salary cap as it would put more dollars in the hands of players who have already proven their worth in the league

    My guess is that it takes a lot of coin out of the agents pockets.
     
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