Re: Luck Looks Sensational Again
posted at 8/22/2012 11:50 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Luck Looks Sensational Again
[QUOTE]In response to "Re: Luck Looks Sensational Again": RESPONSE: What a croc...LOL!!! Typical TP non-response. Rather than disprove the point, throw "what a croc...LOL!!" at it. Why's it a croc, TP? His examples are opinions. RESPONSE: More lies....how typical of you. You're bogus, biased opinion has been refuted by the article posted, based on facts, not opinions. Again, his points are not opinions, but are deductions, based on facts. What facts have you to buttress your biased opinion?
RESPONSE: No. They are deductions that are based on facts. From thesaurus.com, synonyms for deduction: assumption, speculation. Facts are a good basis for developing an opinion, but it doesn't make the opinion itself a fact; its just an opinion, and as noted above, one's acceptance or rejection of that opinion usually is the result of his/her already established thoughts on the subject. I don't know if brad wells is a colts fan. Based on his articles that I've read he more opinion maker searching for web hits than a fan.RESPONSE: More lies. This from Merriam-Websters' dictionary:
A deduction is the "deriving of a conclusion by reasoning" A deduction is "an inference from which the conclusion about particulars follows necessarily from general or universal premises (in other words, from facts).
An opinion is a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter. Opinions are not necessarily based on facts...but can be based on biases. Wells has listed facts to support his conclusion. Therefore, it is a deduction, not an opinion. Meanwhile, you're sorry response is based solely on hearsay, and bias. I see no facts given by you to support your view.
RESPONSE: More lies! Wells is a huge Indiana sports fan, and you know it: http://indiana.sbnation.com/authors/brad-wells
I thought we were talking colts and not Indiana's entire sports scene. As I said, he may or may not be a colts fan. In my opinion, I think he's most interested in page hits for his blog which happens to be about the colts.RESPONSE: What a pathetic response...LOL!!! Aren't the Colts part of the Indiana sports scene? Heck, over the past decade that the Colts have been the Indiana sports scene.
Continuing your denial that Wells is a Colts fan is a joke. I cited the following about Brad Wells in my last post:
"For years he was known only to the Internet world as "BigBlueShoe," the man behind Stampede Blue. Now, Brad not only writes about the Indianapolis Colts at the blog he helped found, but works as the editor of SB Nation Indiana, the sports regional site for SBNation.com...Brad has a genuine love for Indiana sports. He also thinks Indiana sports fans are some of the smartest, most knowledgeable fans in the country. Wells founded the Colts' blog, Stampede Blue...writes constantly about the Indianapolis Colts, is the editor of SBNation, and "has a genuine love for Indiana sports...(and) thinks that Indiana sports fans are some of the smartest, most knowledgeable fans in the country."
Yet, you still claim he is not a Colts fan. Well, I guess that's your opinion, based on your biases and agenda...if not a flat out lie. On the other hand, my assessment that he is a huge Colts fan is a deduction...based on the facts presented above.
RESPONSE: Let's see now...first you claimed that you don't know who Wells is...yet you say that "it is widely known that he had an axe to grind with Polian..." Obviously then, you do know who he is, and have read at least some of his articles. Where's your proof that Wells merely has an axe to grind with Polian? Isn't that just your opinion? Most Colts fans had an axe to grind with Polian, dating back to the 2009 season, when Polian pulled the plug on Indy's shot at a perfect season. Heck, Colts' owner Jim Irsay obviously had an axe to grind with Polian, considering that he gave Polian his son the boot. I did once claim that I was unaware of the Stampedeblue website. In fact, it may have been you that directed me to it. RESPONSE: Where and when did you claim that? Even if you did, do you really expect us to believe that a hard core Colts' fan like yourself would be unaware of the teams' top sports blog? LOL!!!
I've since perused the site and found Wells to be quite obnoxious and downright petty as it related to his colts rants and specifically polian. Its my opinion that Wells had an axe to grind with polian. RESPONSE: And what is this opinion based upon, other than your own bias, and agenda?
I don't consider firing someone as having an axe to grind. Polian screwed up by giving power to his son who clearly was not prepared to handle the position. Having an axe to grind, imo, means, continuous complaining about someone or something. RESPONSE: What?? "Having an axe to grind means continuous complaining about someone??" Where did you find that definition from? Having an "axe to grind" means to attempt to get even with someone for some perceived wrong or slight. Continuous complaining about a GM would seem to fall under the purview or criticism. Wouldn't you agree? So, if any of us are critical of a GM, as I am from time to time with BB, does that mean that I have "an axe to grind"?
RESPONSE: You have failed to answer my questions. Do you deny that the examples Wells listed have merit? Are you still denying that Wells is a die hard Colts fan? Don't you think that his deductions are logical? If not, why not? What explanations can you offer as to why the Colts chose not to pick up Kyle Orton after he was waived by Denver...chose to continue to play a completely ineffective Curtis Painter, when it was obvious to all that had eyes that he was terrible...and why did the Colts decide to stick with the obviously ineffective "Manikin", Jim Caldwell, for the entire 2011 season? Texaspat you are the one who has failed. I asked you to prove that the colts intentionally tanked. Your effort at doing so was to present an opinion piece from someone who had an axe to grind against the President of the club at the time. To prove it, you have to provide facts not opinions. RESPONSE: Facts were presented:
1.) Orton wasn't brought in;
2.) The pitiful Painter was allowed to play up to game 10 of the 2011 season;
3.) The inept Jim Caldwell (who you yourself have criticized in the past), was maintained for the entire season.
The examples you cite fall short. I think his opinions are shortsighted. RESPONSE: No. The three things above are facts. There is no dispute about them. From these facts, and the knowledge that Polian wanted to hand the team over to his son, with a young franchise QB in place...a deduction is formed that the Colts tanked their 2011 season. It is not an opinion, based on bias, or an agenda. It's obvious from all of the above that the Colts did not strive to do everything in their power to win games in 2011.
As for Orton, I think the colts did not pick him up because they'd already paid Collins, had limited cap space, could not come to an agreement with him earlier in the year so it was unlikely they'd be able to do something late in the year. RESPONSE: "You think" are the key words, above. In other words, you are do have any facts to back up your position. So...this is your opinion, not a deduction based on facts.
Further, its not just about the colts needs, but also Orton's desires not just for the rest of the year but also the next year.RESPONSE: Do you know Orton? Has he revealed to you his desires? Or, perhaps you a mind reader?
Painter, was very effective in spurts. RESPONSE: LOL!!! When was Painter ever "very effective"?
He knew the colts offense better than any other QB. Orlovsky had done nothing in the preseason to distinguish himself. RESPONSE: Lies! Orlovsky actually outplayed Painter in the 2011 pre-season. He also had starting experience. Yet, the Colts chose to stick with the pathetic Painter: http://www.stampedeblue.com/2011/9/27/2453478/colts-reportedly-re-sign-qb-dan-orlovsky
Finally, Painter started only one more game after Wells' rant, which was the week after the bye and against the Panthers. There was reason to believe the colts and painter could win. RESPONSE: Painter was finally relieved in Week 13 last year, after the Colts had dropped to 0-11, and were preparing to play the Patriots in Foxborough. So...by the time the change was made, the horse had already left the barn on the Colts' season...and getting the #1 overall pick was pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Maybe the answer was that Painter was a contingency plan
all along, a last case scenario to be used only when the season was truly out of reach, and sure enough, he was subbed in for Collins the moment people realized this team was going nowhere. I might just be inventing this (okay, I am), but if Bill Polian truly wanted to wreck the season and wind up with Andrew Luck's draft rights, would he have done anything different than he has so far? It does seem pretty odd that a franchise as consistently spot on as the Colts, with nine consecutive 10-win seasons, would really put their hands in the fate of Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky as Plan B. Painter just went almost five full games without a touchdown pass -- surely, this same player didn't fool anyone coming into the season, when they immediately signed Kerry Collins. And surely they could have come up with a better backup-backup than the 0-7 Orlovsky.
This is all completespeculation on my part, but if it's true, Bill Polian is nothing short of a genius. He realized that if the Colts are going to lose this year, they might as well lose as epically as possible, allowing them to wind up with the most coveted rookie quarterback in several decades": http://www.inhistoric.com/2011/11/30/2600668/painter-and-orlovsky-two-of-the-worst-ever
As for caldwell, in his first season as head coach, he took his team to the superbowl. In his second season with a decimated team and an injured Manning, he took the colts to the playoffs. We all understood the value of Manning especially that late in the season. Wells' shortsighted rant however, wanted change and he wanted it right then. The fact is that hiring a new coach at that time would have been difficult. RESPONSE: And we know this because you say so?
The coaching pool would have been thin given that all coaches were currently in season. I suppose the colts could have promoted from within, but who? No one had that kind of experience. It made no sense for the colts to can Caldwell at that time. RESPONSE: What a joke. What kind of experience did "The Manikin" have? He had a pathetic 26-63 record as a college coach at Wake Forest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Caldwell_(American_football)
Caldwell did nothing last year to help the team win. He did not adjust his game plans from week to week: http://voices.yahoo.com/jim-caldwell-fired-no-matter-fan-opinion-10702573.html. When Peyton Manning played, Caldwell basically just sat back and watched him perform. Furthermore, going into the 2011 season, most realized that Caldwell was incompetent, after his silly time-out decision cost the Colts a playoff win against the Jets...and a trip to an AFC title game: http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2011/01/indianapolis-colts-should-fire-jim-caldwell/
RESPONSE: BS. You asked for proof showing that the Colts tanked their season last year in order to get Luck. I have presented facts (not opinions), as presented in the article above, which were written by a huge Colts' fan, which demonstrate that Indy made a concerted effort to stay terrible, or tank. What proof do you have which show that the Colts did not tank their season, other than your lies, childish denials, and bogus opinions? Once again, you have demonstrated for all to see why you no credibility on this forum, and why no one should take you seriously. And I am still waiting for that proof. You've only presented the opinion of a colts blogger who had an axe to grind against the president of the team at that time. If you believe you presented proof, enjoy your fantasy. It just makes you look dumb. RESPONSE: I'll let the readers decide who among us has presented facts, and who presented an opinion, based on an agenda...and supported by lies. As usual, I have revealed you to be who you are...an Indy troll who will say anything, including lie, in an attempt to win an argument on a football forum. How pathetic is that...LOL!!!
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