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Make the case for Ridley...

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from toocool9090. Show toocool9090's posts

    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

    Two thoughts:

    1) I am worried about Vereen's durability. He is a smaller runner.

    2) Ridley does not have a fumbling problem. Look at all of the good runningbacks and you will see that they all fumble. Examples of RBs in their latest full seasons:

    AP is a fumbling machine, has averaged 4 fumbles per season. He improved, but still had 3 last year.

    Marshawn Lynch has fumbled 3 and 4 times the last 2 years.

    Arian Foster has fumbled 3, 4, and 3 times the last 3 seasons.

    Jamal Charles fumbled 5 times last season.

    Ridley had 4 fumbles last season. It is not great, but normal for a guy that runs inside the numbers.

     
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    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

    In response to toocool9090's comment:

    Two thoughts:

    1) I am worried about Vereen's durability. He is a smaller runner.

    2) Ridley does not have a fumbling problem. Look at all of the good runningbacks and you will see that they all fumble. Examples of RBs in their latest full seasons:

    AP is a fumbling machine, has averaged 4 fumbles per season. He improved, but still had 3 last year.

    Marshawn Lynch has fumbled 3 and 4 times the last 2 years.

    Arian Foster has fumbled 3, 4, and 3 times the last 3 seasons.

    Jamal Charles fumbled 5 times last season.

    Ridley had 4 fumbles last season. It is not great, but normal for a guy that runs inside the numbers.



    The question is his upside worth the turnovers... I would deal with 4 fumbles a season if he had the upside of AP...

     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from stillgridlocked. Show stillgridlocked's posts

    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

    I've always liked Vereen but he lost a fumble last year.

    Vereen has break away moves and speed.

     
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    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

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    I don't think speaking up for Ridley is a shot at Vareen or vice versa....IMO Ridley ran very well, 5.1 avg and a couple of first downs. He had a slip and the ground knocked the ball out of his hands. He must, and will clean that up. The team will need him. I think he still has a big season, as does Vareen, and ditto Bolden. 

    I said earlier that I expect if/when the RB's are healthy, Blount is the odd man out. I did not think he showed much today



    I agree on everything. Blounts is a 250 scat back. He cannot find a hole and CANNOT push a pile. He is not a power back. Ridley is very important to our offense, he makes positive yards out of nothing and regularly breaks big runs.. Rid and Vareen could be one of the best RB combos in the NFL. I hope we can coach this kid up.

     
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    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

    In response to toocool9090's comment:

    Two thoughts:

    1) I am worried about Vereen's durability. He is a smaller runner.

    2) Ridley does not have a fumbling problem. Look at all of the good runningbacks and you will see that they all fumble. Examples of RBs in their latest full seasons:

    AP is a fumbling machine, has averaged 4 fumbles per season. He improved, but still had 3 last year.

    Marshawn Lynch has fumbled 3 and 4 times the last 2 years.

    Arian Foster has fumbled 3, 4, and 3 times the last 3 seasons.

    Jamal Charles fumbled 5 times last season.

    Ridley had 4 fumbles last season. It is not great, but normal for a guy that runs inside the numbers.



    I think this kind of context is helpful.  Even the best RBs fumble from time to time.  That said, the fumble that Ridley forced on himself with his slip came at precisely the wrong time and that makes it all the more stark and troubling.  I like Ridley's production between the tackles.  Those are tough yards to come by at times and Ridley was playing well until. . . .  BB values ball security and Ridley's future with the Pats will depend on him overcoming the fumble problem.


    I also like Vereen a lot and there's no question that he was one of the keys to the Pats coming out of Buffalo with a W.  Fortunately the Pats do have RB options and he appears to be a really good one.

     
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    I think part of the problem with Ridley's fumble in BB's mind was that he seemed unaware he fumbled.  BB doesn't seem to like mental mistakes like that. I have a feeling that's what got Ridley benched more than the fumble itself.  

     

     

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from ATJ. Show ATJ's posts

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    I think part of the problem with Ridley's fumble in BB's mind was that he seemed unaware he fumbled.  BB doesn't seem to like mental mistakes like that. I have a feeling that's what got Ridley benched more than the fumble itself.  

     

     



    Yanno, that's a good point.  I noticed that as well re: lack of awareness.

     
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    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

    mebbe they should trade him for a S

     
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    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

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    He is one my #1 FF RB



       

       

                

     

     



     

     

     

    +100 

    That is a rock solid answer. Haha. He'll get his reps, I'm sure. But I think the balance should tip some in Vereen's favor.

     

     




    Yeah, like 99% to 1% in favor of Vereen.

     

     

     



    I'd like to see a test run of something like 20-25 touches (combined runs and targets) for Vereen while limiting Ridley to about 10 runs (because let's face it, he's not a receiving back). 

     

    At least as a test run. I think Vereen can be a huge difference maker with more playing time. 

    Also ... with less 2RB sets ... get him on the line if you want him to catch. The slant in the 4th was a great catch. 

    Ridley just doesn't give you the ability to give that look. 




    ZBell, Vereen should be on the field more often, like yesterday.  I think when Bolder is healthy, he should give Ridley a battel for the main RB slot.  IMO  Bolden is quicker to the hole and catches the ball better.

     
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    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

    In response to ATJ's comment:

    In response to toocool9090's comment:

     

    Two thoughts:

    1) I am worried about Vereen's durability. He is a smaller runner.

    2) Ridley does not have a fumbling problem. Look at all of the good runningbacks and you will see that they all fumble. Examples of RBs in their latest full seasons:

    AP is a fumbling machine, has averaged 4 fumbles per season. He improved, but still had 3 last year.

    Marshawn Lynch has fumbled 3 and 4 times the last 2 years.

    Arian Foster has fumbled 3, 4, and 3 times the last 3 seasons.

    Jamal Charles fumbled 5 times last season.

    Ridley had 4 fumbles last season. It is not great, but normal for a guy that runs inside the numbers.

     



    I think this kind of context is helpful.  Even the best RBs fumble from time to time.  That said, the fumble that Ridley forced on himself with his slip came at precisely the wrong time and that makes it all the more stark and troubling.  I like Ridley's production between the tackles.  Those are tough yards to come by at times and Ridley was playing well until. . . .  BB values ball security and Ridley's future with the Pats will depend on him overcoming the fumble problem.

     


    I also like Vereen a lot and there's no question that he was one of the keys to the Pats coming out of Buffalo with a W.  Fortunately the Pats do have RB options and he appears to be a really good one.




    I've made this point about Ridley in previous threads on the subject.  He fumbles at about a league-average rate for a lead running back.  Since BB puts so much emphasis on ball security, we're not used to league average here.

    I think Ridley is benched for the Jets game, and then is slowly worked back into the offense.  I really hope he improves his ball security, because I think he can be a devastating runner for this team.

     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from TripleOG. Show TripleOG's posts

    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

    I cant make the case. He is overated here. He is in the doghouse for forseeable future. I told my boy after the 2nd fumble we wouldnt see him after that. Why does vareen only get 14 carries thought. I like him in passing game but he was ripping off 20 a pop on the ground? This team still falls in love with pass too much but I love what Vareen brings. A faster Faulk out there. Ridley, I would trade him if possible. Good hard runner, but puts it on the turf after every good hit it seems. Being a RB, you are gonna get hit, so not good for him.  Between Bolden, Blount, Vareen and Wash. I think we are good. Should look to see if a team gets a need at RB. See if they have a safety or lineman. Ridley has fumblelitus

     

    "Take care of my B*tch, I may need her back in a couple years"

    Brady to Manning after Wes signed with Denver

     
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    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

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    He is one my #1 FF RB



       

       

                

     



     

     

    +100 

    That is a rock solid answer. Haha. He'll get his reps, I'm sure. But I think the balance should tip some in Vereen's favor.

     




    Yeah, like 99% to 1% in favor of Vereen.

     



    Vereen will probaBly going to get more reps but it is not like Ridley is going to dissapear. I would still take Ridley over Vereen on an important 3 and 1. Also while he had some key fumbles last year he also didn't have that many overall.

     
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    In big games. Babe, he coughs it up frequently.  Yesterday - that was a 14 point swing - and he was not even hit!  Stop making excuses and see reality with this guy!!!

     

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    He is one my #1 FF RB



       

       

                

     

     



     

     

     

    +100 

    That is a rock solid answer. Haha. He'll get his reps, I'm sure. But I think the balance should tip some in Vereen's favor.

     

     




    Yeah, like 99% to 1% in favor of Vereen.

     

     

     



    Vereen will probaBly going to get more reps but it is not like Ridley is going to dissapear. I would still take Ridley over Vereen on an important 3 and 1. Also while he had some key fumbles last year he also didn't have that many overall.

     




     
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    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

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    I made my case in the Game Thread.   His new role is to carry Vereen's helmet to/from the practice field for the next few weeks.  Nothing else.

    If he can do that without dropping it we can consider him for mop up duty in blowouts by mid-season.

     



    Over reaction! The dude got the point, he needs to fix it. AP fumbles as well. Perhaps he should be 

     

    benched as well. 




    Yea umm, when you take your 1st carry of the year from scrimmage and proceed to juke 3 defenders out their shoes simultaneously before running for a 80 yard TD! yea I think HE can put it on the turf a couple times. Never mind he IS the offense playing behind a bum rookie QB and gets ATLEAST 30 touches a game with 8 in the box. Lets see Ridley plays on  a passing offense, with Brady he gets the luxury of noone worrying about him or stacking the box and he splits time with other backs. Bad example, sorry. I will take A.P, and whatever concieved fumble problem he has ANY DAY!

     
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    Looks like Vareen made the case for Ridley. broken wrist. He's not your everdown back. Nobody is anymore so they need a second guy and Rid is by far the best choice.   in the 3rd quarter near the end zone they could have used Rid put it it in. Vareen dancing to the outside doesn't hack downside the 5.

    Losing an illusion makes you wiser than finding the truth.

     
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    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

    Labeling Ridley with fumblitis is a misdiagnosis IMRHO. In his first two seasons, he put the ball on the ground a total of five times with the Pats losing possession only twice - this with just under 400 touches while producing just over 1700 yards, 100 first downs and 13 touchdowns.

    BB & Co do not tolerate turnovers, penalties or execution errors, so each and every miscue is amplified ( which leads to them being limited ), so we, the fans, tend to remember them more readily. Case in point, Ridley's fumble in the SB ... oh, but let's not forget that he was knocked unconscious on the play. 

    Vereen is earning the right to be a significant part of the offensive game plans, just not as a replacement for Ridley, and certainly, it seems, not for the next few weeks. 

     
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    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

    In response to fanonymost's comment:

    Labeling Ridley with fumblitis is a misdiagnosis IMRHO. In his first two seasons, he put the ball on the ground a total of five times with the Pats losing possession only twice - this with just under 400 touches while producing just over 1700 yards, 100 first downs and 13 touchdowns.

    BB & Co do not tolerate turnovers, penalties or execution errors, so each and every miscue is amplified ( which leads to them being limited ), so we, the fans, tend to remember them more readily. Case in point, Ridley's fumble in the SB ... oh, but let's not forget that he was knocked unconscious on the play. 

    Vereen is earning the right to be a significant part of the offensive game plans, just not as a replacement for Ridley, and certainly, it seems, not for the next few weeks. 




    I think Fumble problems are just that. Problems. Maybe he doesnt have a fumble problem in the terms of being compared to a real featured back but he also enjoys the luxury of other things that they arent.

    He isnt asked to carry the ball more than 30 times. Not even more than 25 like the A.P's of the world. (so saying AP fumbles too is not telling the whole story). Ridley as long as he is behind Brady wont see too many 8 man fronts unless they are to blitz Brady.(this is how Benny made his career, off of shotgun draws, teams not caring about him). So the fact that he is part of a run by committee and also plays behind the best Qb in the game with no 8 man fronts, his fumbles should be less frequent and when you put it on the turf TWICE in the 1st half of the FIRST game, you aint exactly starting off right.  Atleast he could have waited a few weeks. Our last Vision of the guy was him getting helicoptered in the Air and landing in a Freeking Split on the ground after a Bruising hit and Fumble by Polllard. So yea then you go ahead in the 1st game and remind us again!?!!  Not good any way you slice it. He will have plenty of time to think about it.

     
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    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

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    I made my case in the Game Thread.   His new role is to carry Vereen's helmet to/from the practice field for the next few weeks.  Nothing else.

    If he can do that without dropping it we can consider him for mop up duty in blowouts by mid-season.

     

     



    Over reaction! The dude got the point, he needs to fix it. AP fumbles as well. Perhaps he should be 

     

     

    benched as well. 

     

     




    If Ridley didn't get the point after the AFCCG, then he never will. Time to look elsewhere for our runner, This guy is a disaster waiting to happen.

     

     



    He was nocked unconscious lets see you hold on to the ball

     
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    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

    Timing is everything, just like WWs drops. Wes put up the huge numbers but those few drops changed a lot. Ridley is crazy talented and durable. The big thing on all of our minds is, "But how did he fumble the ball that second time all by himself?" That's the one that makes you pause and wonder whats up with his concentration. We will see soon enough. Hopefully this was it for him. Nobody knows until we see him on Thursday. I think he starts, gets to prove himself and as long as he dooesn't put it on the ground, he keeps his job. That next fumble is gonna be huge for him.........I'm pulling for him really hard. I love that kids game.

     
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    Ridley is the guy we need running the ball. Why? easy answer... Vereen is small as shown in week one the moment you give him the #1 role he gets hurt. He's too small to be running between the tackles and honestly when the D knows we are running the ball he gets stuffed. Ridley may have his fumble issues but he's also our most consistent back. Everyone gets all blah blah when he fumbles but how many clutch plays did Welker drop? welker got over a hundred balls a year he was eventually gonna drop some same situation with Ridley he had 290 carries last year. His 4 fumbles were actually good compared to other backs who carried the ball less and fumbled the same amount. Ridley is the go to guy between the tackles and is the only guy on this team that can run when the D knows we are running it.

     
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    Re: Make the case for Ridley...

    I can only make half a case. 

    Ridley was carrying the ball in his right hand.  Ridley slipped, so he put his right hand down to break his fall.  All of a sudden the football in his right hand was gone somewhere else.  In retrospect, Ridley is thinking, maybe I should have put the football into my stomach and I should have held it there securely with both hands while landing on the forgiving sod in my nice soft football padding. 

    I fell down today, put my hand out and my palm got sore.  For me, that was the correct play.  No one was paying me half a million dollars to hold onto a little brown ball. 

    I don't blame Ridley for dropping the football last January after he was knocked unconscious.  This play, however, looked pretty dumb. 

    Vereen is out for a few weeks with a broken bone in his hand.  Ridley might be the most elusive back remaining on the team.  However, he now needs to prove that he won't drop the football so easily, not all by himself, unforced.  Is Ridley dinged permanently?

     
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