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Mallett to Browns???

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    Re: Mallett to Browns???

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    Comparing Sanchez on the field with the Cassel of 2008 is not much of a comparison.

     

     



    Babe you said on field trumps potential "every" time. Well Sanchez would be part of that every time wouldn't it?

     



    But I never said dismal performance on an NFL field trumps anything. You're reading more into what I said than I said. I'm simply saying NFL performance is a much stronger measurement than a "potential" generated from college play. Maybe I should have spelled that out more clearly.

     

    If anything poor performance on the NFL field supports what I said. Because of its superior worth in evaluation it can degrade or enhance the particular prospect far more than any speculation from a players college years can.

     




    So you'd rather have 08' Cassel or 12' Palmer over a top 15 pick QB? Look at Cassel's numbers in 08' they were mediocre at best. Your whole arguement is that Cassel is more valuable then a top 15 rated draft pick (Mallett was a top 15 rated QB minus off field issues).

    BTW you wouldn't have to be more clear if you used the right word like saying most instead of every.

     
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    Re: Mallett to Browns???

    So ... no #6 for #29 and Mallet.

    How about Mallet for a high/mid second rounder and a conditional #1/2 in 2014. If he plays 50% of the offensive snaps its a #1 if not a #2.

    Cleveland could trade #6 for say #12 and #44 this year and then trade #44 this year and ? next year for Mallet? Would you take that trade?

    Would BB demand an extra 3rd or 4th rounder in that trade? Or would Cleveland want some mid round pick added in?

    Or how about a 2013 #2, and a 2014 swap of 1st rounders plus a 2014 #2 (the swap contingent on NE having a better record than Cleveland.)

     
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    Re: Mallett to Browns???

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    So ... no #6 for #29 and Mallet.

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    Or how about a 2013 #2, and a 2014 swap of 1st rounders plus a 2014 #2 (the swap contingent on NE having a better record than Cleveland.)



    Lots of possibilities if Cleveland wants him.  One thing though, I think they gave up their second rounder when they picked Gordon in the supp draft. Could be wrong though?

     
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    Re: Mallett to Browns???

    Folks....the simple things some see but many are missing. Keep it KISS

    1. Casell was a 7th round pick who HAD to play to justify a 2nd rd draft pick trade.

    Cassell was a bench warmer in College

    2. Mallett was a mid-third rounder who fell out of the first round due to drug and maturity rumors.

    Mallett was a starter at Arkansas

    If the Patriots were to entertain trading Mallett could someone here explain to me how the Pats would trade him for less than a 3rd round pick?

    If the Patriots were to entertain trading Mallett you do realize that all draft and talent people have stated that Mallett would be fairly worth a second round pick. So why would the Patriots take less than a second round pick?

    Before last years draft the Jaguars press was stating the Jags "asked about Mallett" Do you think the Pats would ever confirm this?

    So if we take Mallett with 2nd round value, and our 29th pick in the first round, just exactly how much higher could we move up in the first round? One or 2 spots..NFW...gotta be way more than that.

    Now, if you are like me, and that being a belief that Brady is done in 2 yrs, Mallett is a keeper. However the majority opinion here is that Brady stays 3/4 yrs so if that's the case then moving Mallett now is perfect.

    It's really that simple my Dear Watson.......... 

     
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    Re: Mallett to Browns???

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    So ... no #6 for #29 and Mallet.

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    Or how about a 2013 #2, and a 2014 swap of 1st rounders plus a 2014 #2 (the swap contingent on NE having a better record than Cleveland.)

     



    Lots of possibilities if Cleveland wants him.  One thing though, I think they gave up their second rounder when they picked Gordon in the supp draft. Could be wrong though?

     




    you're right but Gordon for what would have been #38 is actually a decent pick for Clev. Gordon was pretty productive this year with a bad QB

     
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    Re: Mallett to Browns???

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    Comparing Sanchez on the field with the Cassel of 2008 is not much of a comparison.

     

     



    Babe you said on field trumps potential "every" time. Well Sanchez would be part of that every time wouldn't it?

     



    But I never said dismal performance on an NFL field trumps anything. You're reading more into what I said than I said. I'm simply saying NFL performance is a much stronger measurement than a "potential" generated from college play. Maybe I should have spelled that out more clearly.

     

    If anything poor performance on the NFL field supports what I said. Because of its superior worth in evaluation it can degrade or enhance the particular prospect far more than any speculation from a players college years can.

     

     




    So you'd rather have 08' Cassel or 12' Palmer over a top 15 pick QB? Look at Cassel's numbers in 08' they were mediocre at best. Your whole arguement is that Cassel is more valuable then a top 15 rated draft pick (Mallett was a top 15 rated QB minus off field issues).

     

    BTW you wouldn't have to be more clear if you used the right word like saying most instead of every.

     



    This is where people get themselves in trouble.  Its like valuing a real estate property at a million dollars when the most anyone is willing to pay is 300,000.  

     

    But for the sake of discussion, lets agree that he was a "top 15 value".  That was 2 years ago.  what is he now?  What does his NFL experience say he is?  It says he is a 25% completion rate passer with a 5 passer rating.  Granted those stats are meaningless.  So is his NFL career to this point.  Why would anyone have to assume that Mallett is automatically better today? 

    What information does anyone have to prove that Mallett is worth some hefty price today? 

     



    I would agree that his value dropped if he had actually played any meaningful minutes in a competitive situation, but he hasn't. What he got was like two series at the end of blow out games when any first stringers on offense that could be pulled had been pulled. So harping on about his 5 passer rating and 25% completion record is stupid. You might as well add in his -5 yards rushing (because of kneel downs) to prove he isn't a running back either. Nobody is evaluating any QB based on those end of game situations - and I would say the same if he was 5 for 5 on passes with a 110 rating.

     
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    Re: Mallett to Browns???

    Ahhhhh.....never mind...I changed my mind...Mallett suxs ....the laser arm..illusion....crappy feet....most likely can't complete a roll out pass....touch pasess...nah ....mentioned as a 2010 Heisman Candidate...silly....his teams loved him..ah....they must have been all under the influence  of something...Lombardi and Gruden say the kid can play...period...they don't know sxit from shinola...

    Oh well....it was just a thought.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OurYaWeYlQw

     
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    Re: Mallett to Browns???

    If a GM truly believes a QB can be a franchise QB he'll move mountains to get him. It's just a matter of which mountains and when. Caveat; whether or not Mallet is legit to dudes on the internet has no bearing on a GM's decision-making process.

     
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    Re: Mallett to Browns???

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    If a GM truly believes a QB can be a franchise QB he'll move mountains to get him. It's just a matter of which mountains and when. Caveat; whether or not Mallet is legit to dudes on the internet has no bearing on a GM's decision-making process.



    Agreed. And if Lombardi is willing to do something stupid to get him (give up the no. 6 overall pick) when it sounds like no one else is in the bidding. I hope the BB does not allow any sort of relationship with Lombardi not take full advantage of that.

    It is not like Lombardi actually has a good record as a personnel guy. Cleveland had one winning season while he was in charge, and the Raiders were a disaster for the last six season he was out there. 

     
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