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    My 2 cents, the mythical "Mallett to Cleveland Trade" is wishful thinking.  If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.  I think Mallett will be holding a clip board in a Pats uni next year.

     
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    If a GM truly believes a QB can be a franchise QB he'll move mountains to get him. It's just a matter of which mountains and when. Caveat; whether or not Mallet is legit to dudes on the internet has no bearing on a GM's decision-making process.

     



    Agreed. And if Lombardi is willing to do something stupid to get him (give up the no. 6 overall pick) when it sounds like no one else is in the bidding. I hope the BB does not allow any sort of relationship with Lombardi not take full advantage of that.

     

    It is not like Lombardi actually has a good record as a personnel guy. Cleveland had one winning season while he was in charge, and the Raiders were a disaster for the last six season he was out there. 

     




     

    Stop saying "give up" the 6th pick. He still gets our 29th and SAVES money on doing so. Get it?

    Mallet, the 29th and massive $svaings for a franchise that has been hemorraging money in recent years.

    It's not like he loses a 1st rd pick he just moves back. So, he'd get his QB he wants for dirt cheap and a quality 1st rd choice as well.

    Two 1st rd quality picks is bad?



    I do not think that two quality first round picks is bad. I am saying if no one is offering something similar (a top ten pick for Mallett and the Patriots pick) it is a bad trade. If Lombardi is bidding against himself just to pry Mallett away from the Patriots, then it is not a good move.

    It is also the same thing as having two first round picks. If Mallett were a first round pick they would own him for four years. If they trade for him they get two. That basically gives them one year too decide if they want to extend him or let him enter free agency.

    Why would the Browns need to save money when they are almost $50M under the cap going into next season?

     
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    Comparing Sanchez on the field with the Cassel of 2008 is not much of a comparison.

     

     



    Babe you said on field trumps potential "every" time. Well Sanchez would be part of that every time wouldn't it?

     



    But I never said dismal performance on an NFL field trumps anything. You're reading more into what I said than I said. I'm simply saying NFL performance is a much stronger measurement than a "potential" generated from college play. Maybe I should have spelled that out more clearly.

     

    If anything poor performance on the NFL field supports what I said. Because of its superior worth in evaluation it can degrade or enhance the particular prospect far more than any speculation from a players college years can.

     

     




    So you'd rather have 08' Cassel or 12' Palmer over a top 15 pick QB? Look at Cassel's numbers in 08' they were mediocre at best. Your whole arguement is that Cassel is more valuable then a top 15 rated draft pick (Mallett was a top 15 rated QB minus off field issues).

     

    BTW you wouldn't have to be more clear if you used the right word like saying most instead of every.




    I was clear. An NFL record trumps a college record every time for evaluation purposes as to probable results in the NFL.

     

    I wouldn't want to have either of them because I think they are both fails.

     

     
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    How is it "ridiculous" if RG3 was taken 2nd overall in the 2012 draft and the Skins mortgaged their entire next 3 drafts just to get a guy who just destroyed his leg?  Compared to that, Mallett would be an absolute bargain, especially if you're like me who feels the run based QBs like RG3, Kaepernick, etc, will eventually be hurt more often than not like Mike Vick.

    Is it "ridiculous" to use a top 10 pick on Barkley or Geno Smith? No, it's not if a team who needs a QB prospect in a QB league likes one of those QBs.  Lombardi likes Mallett. Duh.

    Some of you here, mostly the trolls and irrationals who don't see how brilliant BB is/don't want to give him credit for anything due to jealousy and unhealthy following of the anti-BB media, have the worst time understanding the concept of a market.

    It's unreal. You're so dumb I cannot even believe you're adults.

     

     




    Simmer down dumbkoff. BB clearly isn't a whiz kid with drafting but is a very shrewd trader. If he deals Mallet he will undoubtedly get a great deal for him.

     

    BB preys on the foibles of others in trade talks. He has probably the greatest poker face in history.

     




    Clean out the diapers. The stench is unbearable.

     

     




    Typical remark by junior the dumbkoff displaying his intelligence level. Stop embarrassing yourself.

     

     




    Clean out the diapers, I said!

     




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    OK...take this for what it's worth. My Co-Worker, who would watch the draft over a live game, told me this.

    Cleveland's 6th pick in the first round has a "value" of around 1600 points

    Patriots 29th pick in the first round has a value of around 800 points

    So if they swap positions, the Browns will require additional value of around 800 more points to make it a fair deal.

    Where does the 800 points come from?

    A low first round pick/high second round pick runs 700 to 600 points.

    Mallett, being considered a legit worth a second rounder is worth 500-600 points.

    All the Pats would need to do is throw in a low second day pick for a "fair" trade.

    The Pats could even say he's our valuable back up and if you want him take him and the 29th or don't call back.

    My co-worker seems to feel that the deal, if even real, is in the accepted ballpark of what would be considered fair value in todays NFL Draft scale.

     

     
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    Babe is spot on here.  I think you other guys are experiencing wishful thinking.  On field play is about the only thing that matters.  Cassell had that which is why he was as valuable as he was. 

    Granted Mallett's situation is a bit unique because his talent was projected higher than actual draft position, and because the guy in front of him is Tom Brady. 

     

    Regardless, the guy has little on field play to prove that he is worth anything better than his draft position.  If he was a sure-fire guy, he never would have dropped to the 3rd.  I've never understood why people blind themselves to facts like this and a little logical reasoning.  Why, do you think, anyone would pay more for a player than his draft position when his play or lack thereof has provided no reason to do so?  

    Further, how many first round QB's turn out to be busts or marginal players?  Plenty.  Since 2000, these QB's were 1st rd picks:

    Carr, Harrington, Ramsey, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman, Losman, Campbell, Young, Leinert, Russell, Quinn, Sanchez, Tebow, Gabbert. 

    Would anyone say that they performed to their draft position?  So, why now, would anyone think Mallett, without a resume would perform well beyond his?

    One can argue talent all day, but talent and performance are 2 different things.  Regardless of talent, Mallett was drafted in the 3rd, and he has yet to prove that he is better than that.  Any GM worth his salt would not begin discussions with the patriots without this reality being agreed upon. 

     



    Cassel was a 7th rd pick and then started in his 4th year.

     

    Mallett was a 1st rd pick talent and is now entering his 3rd year.    What is it that you don't get about a 7th rd pick and a guy whose only flaw was rumored "maturity" issues which caused him to drop to the 3rd?

    He gets trained by Brady, almost daily and this holds no value to a GM out there? Are you insane? 

    Would you rather have Barkley, Smith or Mallett as a "rookie" QB in 2013?  It's very clear what the right answer is. Cost, talent level, projection in 2013 would all favor the choice of Mallett in that situation.

    You like to side with out board Irrationals because you are a Troll so it's covenient for you to do that. When I bludgeoned you back on Page 1, this thread should have been over.

    Please learn facts and realities.

    No one is guaranteeing this, but it is beyond clear that this is on the table at this point a distinct possibility, final compensation not withstanding.

    Matt Barkley and Geno Smith are the two worst prospects to come out in a draft in years. VERY thin QB crop.  Alex Smith costs far more than Mallett and Lombardi REALLY likes Mallett.

    Note how the Trolls and our Irrationals who hate BB have all chimed in to downplay this possibility, while the educated fans here see the logic and acknwoledge the BB/Lombardi connection and it being a win/win for both.

     

     

     

     

     



    Brady was a 6th round pick that has 2 MVP's.  What's your point? 

     

    I don't know how much more clear I can be.  Cassel played and succeeded, Mallett hasn't so the professional book on him doesn't exist. 

    Regardless of the reasons for Mallett's drop, he dropped.  Just because he hasn't shown up on a police report doesn't mean he has matured.  He is currently buried because he's behind Brady. 

    As for the question regarding Barkley Smith or Mallett.  If I am Cleveland I just might continue to give Weeden a chance.  Further, the thing about Barkley and Smith is that they've played for the past 2 years.  We don't know what Mallett's done for the past 2 years do we?  Sure he's studied under Brady, but is he any good?

    This has nothing to do with hating Belichick.  This has to do with negotiation.  Unfortunately, you've got this idea that the NFL exists at Belichick's pleasure. 

    I may be wrong, but I remember people talking about the pats getting substantial compensation for Hoyer.  Didn't they just release him for nothing?

     




    No we're comparing an aberration like Brady as a 6th rd pick? What's next, Unitas undrafted and cut by the Steelers? lol

     

    My god, dude. Seek help. Your debating skills are pathetic and weak.

    MIKE LOMBARDI CALLED THE PICK OF WEEDEN LAST YEAR A "PANICKED DISASTER", so how does this show them wanting to "give Weeden a chance"?

    And no, he NFL doesn't "exist at Belichick's 'pleasure'", BB didn't take Mallett in 2011 by accident.  They liked his skill set and probably knew this kind of an opportunity might arise, which is why the value of Mallett means something 2 years later.

    You act like there was no design with him picking Mallett. It wasn't to sit behind Brady for 6 years.

     

     



    Leave it to russ to get so caught up in his own mindset that he misses the point and claims some kind of debate excellence. 

     

    the point again - for emphasis - is that on-field play trumps potential.  Did you know that Brandon Weeden's NFL passer rating was better than Mallett's?  Brandon Weeden threw the ball 517 times last year.  Ryan Mallett threw 4. 

    I agree with you that the pats had a purpose for taking Mallett, and I'd imagine that they hope to get some compensation for him.  What I don't believe however, is that he is worth the 6th pick and a mid-rounder as you suggested.  He's worth something, possibly, but I don't think he is worth even a 1st. 

     




    So, the fact that Lomardi loves Mallett, doesn't possibly make the price higher?  How does that make sense? 

     

    Cassel a 2nd rder in 2009 as a 7th rd pick, Kolb a 2nd rd pick, with each now out of the starting QB discussions, Sanchez a bust at pick 5 in 2009, a thin QB crop in 2013, Mallet a 1st rd option in 2011, but somehow him learning from Brady for 2 years, weakens his market value in 2013?

    If I am BB, I don't trade Mallett if it's not for the switch in the 1st with the Browns.  I just wait another year to drive the price up higher.

    Don't think for a second Lombardi, a guy who is on RECORD as saying the Weeden choice last year was a "panicked disaster" isn't think something along those lines.

     

     

     



    I'd say if Lombardi wants him, then yes Mallett's value increases from possibly a 3rd rounder to something better than that, but not #6 and a mid-rounder. 

     

    Cassel's draft position became irrelevant after he played well.  Why are you refusing to get this?  Jeff Saturday's lack of a draft position became irrelevant after he played well.  Drafts are crapshoots.  Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - highly drafted busts.  Tom Brady, Jeff Saturday, Shannon Sharpe, low or undrafted success stories.  These are the only ones.  

    IMO, draft position matters only until a player gets the opportunity to demonstrate his value ON THE FIELD. 

    Finally, time does not always add value.  So if, as you say, wait another year, why do you believe that is going to help Belichick with Mallett's value?  If he doesn't play again next year, he'll still be an unknown quantity. 

    Just because Aaron Rodgers was successful, doesn't mean Mallett will be.  Further, during Rodgers' 3 years as a back up his completion % was 59% in total, in his last year as a back up, however it was 71% and his passer rating was over 100.  Again, Mallett is currently 1 for 4 and a 5 passer rating. 

     

     




    Did you just compare the value of Center to a the value of a potential franchise QB in a QB league in an offensive era?

     

    Oh, I think you did!

    Did you also just reference 4 passes on one series at the end of a game as enough evidence to judge a prospect?  Wow!  4 passes equates to an analyst accepting that as a "QB Rating".

    How many passes has Barley or Smith thrown in the NFL?  They will each cost 3 times Mallet's amount and didn't have the college careers Mallett did in Petrinoo's pro style offense either.

    Don't apply to law school.

     



    No dum bass.  Once again you've got a comprehension problem.  I compared a player's draft position to his performance on the field.  Go back to school man. 

     

    And if you had read any of the previous posts, which its clear you don't, I said Mallett's stats are a non-starter.  He's essentially got none.  What he does have sucks. 

    The difference between the college kids and Mallett is 1) college kids have come off of a year playing the game.  2) the draft is for them.  3) Mallett has already been drafted and the only proof that he is worth anything is that he has a roster spot.  That's it. 

    You wish to elevate Mallett's value based on potential seen 3 years ago.  No one has seen him since.  No one knows whether or not he still harbors substance problems.  Todd Marinovich was a 1st rounder with substance problems.  He was a spectacular NFL QB, wouldn't you agree?

    I believe Mallett's value right now is a 3rd rounder.



    But, you did compare a Center (Saturday) to a QB (Mallett).

    You ALSO compared the value, but the fact is, a QB has more value in a QB offensive league than  Center. For example, NE has used Koppen, Connolly and Wendell in the last 3 years and not missed a beat from that position.

    Meanwhile, many teams STRUGGLE to find that special QB they can build around. 

    I can read just fine. I just don't think you realize how weak your arguments are sometimes. 

    Franchise QBs or ones that MIGHT be hold far more value in this league than a freaking Center/ My god are you dense or really, desperate, is the good word to use as you scramble to create these faulty, awful premises.

    We just saw Russell Wilson explode as a rookie as a 3rd pick and now he's deemed the savior of Seattle's future. Why can't Mallett be that for the Browns?

    Mallett is 24.  WIlson is 24. Mallett would cost FAR Less than Wilson over the next 2 years, too.

    It's all about supply and demand. YOU go back to school.

    Mallett was DRAFTED in the 3rd rd, MORON, only because of character issues.  If he's matured the last couple of years and BB has had an effect on his growth, this would be seen as a positive for many GMs looking for a franchise QB.

    So, now, he'd still be 3rd rd value when he was 1st rd value in the 2011 draft class? That makes absolutely no sense.

    Matt Cassel sat for 3 years before he could showcase his skills on the NFL level.  Your whole argument is "he hasn't thrown a pass".   When WOULD HE BE ABLE TO THROW A PASS?

    Did any draft pick last year taken in Rd 1 throw a pass in the NFL before they were selected?

     

     

     

     

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    Are you that stupid or do you just play stupid on a pats board? 

    what I said was that draft positions become irrelevant after the player gets a chance to prove his worth on the field.  I provided example of low round players and undrafted players - the positions are irrelevant, but I think you should remain focused on your mistaken comprehension.  It keeps you from realizing how dumb you look to everyone else on this board. 

    For whatever reason you want to discount the reasons for him falling to a 3rd rd pick.  Mallett was busted as a junior not a senior.  he was clean, but still dropped for character reasons.  The fact that he has not been busted while in NE does not mean he's cleaned himself up or is capable of handling the rigors that go with becoming a starting QB.  Talent can only get you so far.  See Vince Young.  See Ryan Leaf.  See Jamarcus Russell.

    As you state, "if" he's matured.  Who actually knows this?  probably some patriots players, coaches, and management, but I don't think they're telling anyone if he hasn't.  the thing you are willing to pass on is the fact that he may not be matured.  Heck, even if he has there's no guarantee he can handle the NFL pressures.  Look at David Carr.  He was a sure thing until he wasn't, and he didn't have character issues in his past. 

    And as you note, Mallett doesn't have an NFL resume because he backs up Brady.  This doesn't help him.  At the same time, if he sucks, it doesn't hurt him. 

    No player drafted from college had thrown an NFL past before this year.  That said, they played.  Mallett has only thrown 4 NFL passes in the last 2 years because he hasn't played in 2 years.  Rusty he may be rusty.  He is now officially an unknown clinging to memory of past excellence. 

    Maybe he'll be great, but at this point, I don't think he is #6 pick plus mid rounder value.  That's excessive.  I'd start my negotiating with a 3rd rounder. 

     
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    If a GM truly believes a QB can be a franchise QB he'll move mountains to get him. It's just a matter of which mountains and when. Caveat; whether or not Mallet is legit to dudes on the internet has no bearing on a GM's decision-making process.

     



    Agreed. And if Lombardi is willing to do something stupid to get him (give up the no. 6 overall pick) when it sounds like no one else is in the bidding. I hope the BB does not allow any sort of relationship with Lombardi not take full advantage of that.

     

    It is not like Lombardi actually has a good record as a personnel guy. Cleveland had one winning season while he was in charge, and the Raiders were a disaster for the last six season he was out there. 

     




     

    Stop saying "give up" the 6th pick. He still gets our 29th and SAVES money on doing so. Get it?

    Mallet, the 29th and massive $svaings for a franchise that has been hemorraging money in recent years.

    It's not like he loses a 1st rd pick he just moves back. So, he'd get his QB he wants for dirt cheap and a quality 1st rd choice as well.

    Two 1st rd quality picks is bad?

     

     



    hold on kemosabe.  You said before that you believed mallett was worth a #6 and a mid rounder.  Now you are saying he's worth a swap of first round picks? 

     
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    Are you that stupid or do you just play stupid on a pats board? 

     



    Oh, junior is very much that stupid.

     
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    I say we do it in a heartbeat.  If we could trade up to #6 and get a 3rd,4th,5th rounder for Mallet and our #29--we have to make that deal.   Effectively, Lombardi gets a QB that will fit into his system and moves down in the 1st round to save money and still get a decent player.  I would do it just for Mallet and our #29---and here is why:   Dion Jordan.  6'7" and recruited to play wide receiver at Oregon.  Oregon--the place where you have to have mad speed to play.  And this guy is now a DE/LB.  DJ and CJ on opposite ends of the line--it makes Mathis and Freeney look like slow pokes.  This guy is going to be a beast.  And BB has probably already got a scouting report from Chip Kelly.  Wide receiver--at Oregon.  Then moved to TE and then to D-line.  We get Ballard and Demps back--that is like getting two more draft picks right there.  Takes care of our TE and returning duties.  Resign Vollmer, Wes and Arrington at decent contracts---then look at possible DB's.  Not sold on Talib if there are "work habit" issues.

     
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    Key thing. Lombardi could easily trade down for picks. Past QBs have looked horrible (McCoy,Quinn etc..). Still speculation at this point.We'll earn more as draft approaches.

     
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    How is it "ridiculous" if RG3 was taken 2nd overall in the 2012 draft and the Skins mortgaged their entire next 3 drafts just to get a guy who just destroyed his leg?  Compared to that, Mallett would be an absolute bargain, especially if you're like me who feels the run based QBs like RG3, Kaepernick, etc, will eventually be hurt more often than not like Mike Vick.

    Is it "ridiculous" to use a top 10 pick on Barkley or Geno Smith? No, it's not if a team who needs a QB prospect in a QB league likes one of those QBs.  Lombardi likes Mallett. Duh.

    Some of you here, mostly the trolls and irrationals who don't see how brilliant BB is/don't want to give him credit for anything due to jealousy and unhealthy following of the anti-BB media, have the worst time understanding the concept of a market.

    It's unreal. You're so dumb I cannot even believe you're adults.

     

     




    Simmer down dumbkoff. BB clearly isn't a whiz kid with drafting but is a very shrewd trader. If he deals Mallet he will undoubtedly get a great deal for him.

     

    BB preys on the foibles of others in trade talks. He has probably the greatest poker face in history.

     




    Clean out the diapers. The stench is unbearable.

     

     




    Typical remark by junior the dumbkoff displaying his intelligence level. Stop embarrassing yourself.

     

     




    Clean out the diapers, I said!

     

     



     


    The stuff that comes out of diapers is the same stuff you have for brains.

     




    That's interesting. Considering how many times you've been bludgeoned by me, that's pretty embarrassing for yourself.

     

    But, seriously.  Clean out your pink Brady diapers.  Smelly.

     

     




    If you had a dollar for every time I have destroyed your childish arguments you could retire in comfort right now junior.

    I can't think of any 3 people combined that have been wrong as many times as you have. You are nearly 100% wrong all the time. You are absolutely the worst football talker I have ever seen. Truth.

     

     
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    If a GM truly believes a QB can be a franchise QB he'll move mountains to get him. It's just a matter of which mountains and when. Caveat; whether or not Mallet is legit to dudes on the internet has no bearing on a GM's decision-making process.

     



    Agreed. And if Lombardi is willing to do something stupid to get him (give up the no. 6 overall pick) when it sounds like no one else is in the bidding. I hope the BB does not allow any sort of relationship with Lombardi not take full advantage of that.

     

    It is not like Lombardi actually has a good record as a personnel guy. Cleveland had one winning season while he was in charge, and the Raiders were a disaster for the last six season he was out there. 

     




     

    Stop saying "give up" the 6th pick. He still gets our 29th and SAVES money on doing so. Get it?

    Mallet, the 29th and massive $svaings for a franchise that has been hemorraging money in recent years.

    It's not like he loses a 1st rd pick he just moves back. So, he'd get his QB he wants for dirt cheap and a quality 1st rd choice as well.

    Two 1st rd quality picks is bad?

     



    I do not think that two quality first round picks is bad. I am saying if no one is offering something similar (a top ten pick for Mallett and the Patriots pick) it is a bad trade. If Lombardi is bidding against himself just to pry Mallett away from the Patriots, then it is not a good move.

     

    It is also the same thing as having two first round picks. If Mallett were a first round pick they would own him for four years. If they trade for him they get two. That basically gives them one year too decide if they want to extend him or let him enter free agency.

    Why would the Browns need to save money when they are almost $50M under the cap going into next season?

     



    The cap itself has nothing to do with financials. In fact, I would argue any team that far under the cap is doing it by design because of some financial issues. Jax comes to mind immediately. Buffalo (until last year's Mario Williams desperation move), STL, etc.

     

    Cleveland has been so bad for so long even in that hotbed you can bank on them not maximizing revenue like they should have been the last decade with that new stadium.

    Lerner just sold them for 1 billion, so them not doing something at this point will continue to be a problem.

    Lerner cut his losses and got a nice price, to boot.

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    There is a huge difference between "hemorraging money" like you first claimed and "not maximizing revenue". I read the article and nowhere did it say that the Cleveland Browns were losing money or anything to that effect. In fact, the link within the article states that their revenues were project to be around $250M per year.

    I have a hard time believe that any team in the NFL could actually lose money with about $175M coming in via TV and othe national revenue each year, despite what owners were saying during the lockout.

    Nowhere does the article you linked say that Lerner was trying to "cut his losses", it mentioned that he only took over the team when his father passed away and by most estimations he was not really interested in owning an NFL team.

    Finally, he did not get a "nice price" he got what would have been expected for an NFL franchise doing about $250M in revenue. Within the article you posted is another link titled: "Experts say Browns sale looks like a fair deal." Basically, the Lerner did not want to own an NFL team anymore and he sold it for fair market value. 

    If you are going to post a story, you should probably read it first and see if it supports your argument.

     
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    Dude, it's one article.  Maybe hemmoraging was a tad off in terms of word choice, but there are a lot of teams struggling which is what I warned about into the lockout.

     

    Jax, Buffalo, Minny, SD Chargers, Raiders...Really, it's a lot of teams who need new stadiums OR teams who are in good markets but have stunk for a while or duped their fans (Browns or Jets).

    Just saying.

    Lerner sold when the gettin' was good but there is no way on earth he can be happy with the ROI since 1999 with that new stadium in a hot market considering what was paid for it.

    Anyway, this is a side discussion, but considering how many QBs the've blown through with Lombardi on record calling the Weeden choice by Holmgren a "panicked disaster" last year, I highly doubt Lombardi has changed his mind.

    The quickest way to sell tickets, generate revenue and have it happened season to season as you build that revenue is to legitimately hit on a QB.

    Not Mark Sanchez stuff, but a legit QB.

    I agree that it is a side discussion. I personally do not believe any NFL team is "struggling" in reality. There are teams making more or less money than others. Some of the ones making less, want more so they created a division amongst the owners. 

    Back to Mallett. I actually think getting anything more than what the Patriots spent on him (a third rounder) would be a good move. Especially, in a year that the Pats have limited draft picks.

    From Cleveland's perspective, I think it is a terrible move. Go find your own "diamond in the rough" and pick him in the third round and hold on to the 6th overall pick when you are trying to build a team from the ground up. Maybe Lombardi really is that in love with Mallett.

    Ultimately, I do not even understand why people think Lombardi is a good personnel guy. The only positive thing on his resume seems to be a friendship with BB and some time on TV. So that said, I want the Patriots to get as much as they can for Mallett. I do not care if it is a good deal for Cleveland and I do not care about BB's relationship with Lombardi. Unless, BB really plans on sticking around and replacing Brady with Mallett in the next 2-3 years, I say get as much for him as possible.

     
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    How is it "ridiculous" if RG3 was taken 2nd overall in the 2012 draft and the Skins mortgaged their entire next 3 drafts just to get a guy who just destroyed his leg?  Compared to that, Mallett would be an absolute bargain, especially if you're like me who feels the run based QBs like RG3, Kaepernick, etc, will eventually be hurt more often than not like Mike Vick.

    Is it "ridiculous" to use a top 10 pick on Barkley or Geno Smith? No, it's not if a team who needs a QB prospect in a QB league likes one of those QBs.  Lombardi likes Mallett. Duh.

    Some of you here, mostly the trolls and irrationals who don't see how brilliant BB is/don't want to give him credit for anything due to jealousy and unhealthy following of the anti-BB media, have the worst time understanding the concept of a market.

    It's unreal. You're so dumb I cannot even believe you're adults.

     

     




    Simmer down dumbkoff. BB clearly isn't a whiz kid with drafting but is a very shrewd trader. If he deals Mallet he will undoubtedly get a great deal for him.

     

    BB preys on the foibles of others in trade talks. He has probably the greatest poker face in history.

     




    Clean out the diapers. The stench is unbearable.

     

     




    Typical remark by junior the dumbkoff displaying his intelligence level. Stop embarrassing yourself.

     

     




    Clean out the diapers, I said!

     

     



     


    The stuff that comes out of diapers is the same stuff you have for brains.

     




    That's interesting. Considering how many times you've been bludgeoned by me, that's pretty embarrassing for yourself.

     

    But, seriously.  Clean out your pink Brady diapers.  Smelly.

     

     

     




    If you had a dollar for every time I have destroyed your childish arguments you could retire in comfort right now junior.

     

    I can't think of any 3 people combined that have been wrong as many times as you have. You are nearly 100% wrong all the time. You are absolutely the worst football talker I have ever seen. Truth.

     

     




    LMAO

     

    I love how you JUST made a childish post and after you lose again, you scramble for one final statement to make it appear like you leverage. You're still smarting after some recent bludgoenings, most on the heels of Brady's 3rd straight awful AFC title game that you cannot escape.

     




    I'm all good with the GOAT junior. It's not his fault BB can't put anything better than a MEDIOCRE team around him.

     
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