Mangini Mea Culpa on Spygate

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mangini Mea Culpa on Spygate : http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat To violate rules dishonestly.  Advantages need not be gained.  You can be caught in the act.   If you are caught copying off of another's test, you have been caught cheating. 
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]


    Well I guess you lose, because there is no proof whatsoever that the rule violation was done in a dishonest fashion. The leaked tape even showed Edwards waving at the camera. The taping was done in plain sight with no attempt to hide it.

    Even the Pats' bitter enemy Walsh freely admitted tapes were never viewed the day of the game which completely verifies BB's claim that the circumstance the rules were designed to prevent were not being violated. The entire violation hinged on taping from those locations making it possible for staff to access the video during that game.

    So rather than the Pats being dishonest you are the dishonest one. Your lack of integrity on this issue merely shows that you are a homer hypocrite.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mangini Mea Culpa on Spygate :      Why are you wasting your time with this clown? Put this hapless, Peytonless troll on ignore.      After all the times I've caught "The Dog(ggggg)" lying, misrepresenting, and twisting words here over the years, every poster should know that he has no credibility, and that no one should take him seriously.
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    LOL - the broken record from TP continues.
     
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    This is what the average Neanderthal kool-aide drinking homer football fan doesn't get.

    If you recognize the NFL's authority to make a rule about videotaping signals, recognize their authority to investigate and conclude violations of those rules were committed and recognize their authority to exact punishment for any such violations, then you must also abide by their authority to determine if "cheating" occurred. The NFL has never said any cheating occurred, nor have they negated any on field accomplishment by the team whatsoever.

    So, crying the Pats were cheaters because they violated the location requirements of the taping of signals makes one a phoney hypocritical a**hole.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mangini Mea Culpa on Spygate : It's the opinion of many and embraced by your own fans.  Why would they embrace something that wasn't true?  Did they just imbrace the implication of it? They still might get caught so don't be so sure.  It took them 3 years to bust the Saints.
    Posted by pezz4pats[/QUOTE]
    LOL - Nice work turning the conversation away from the stain.  You are welcome to believe anything you like.  Dorthy thought the Wizard of Oz was real.  But belief is something entirely different than facts, and whatever you wish to believe about the colts is completely unrelated to the discussion related to Belichick's admitted cheating. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mangini Mea Culpa on Spygate : Are you suggesting that he prevented Mangini from taking anything he wanted, including whatever staff wanted to go work with him? Lets just say he did (he didn't).  Was it worth the cost of being revealed as a cheater, losing a top pick, a pile of cash and being known as the coach who hasn't won without cheating?
    Posted by JetMangione[/QUOTE]


    What someone is "known as" among the teeming minions of half brain dead persons that call themselves football fans is of little import.

    What we do know is that the NEP won 3 SBs in 4 years according to the only opinion that matters, the NFL's.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mangini Mea Culpa on Spygate : Well I guess you lose, because there is no proof whatsoever that the rule violation was done in a dishonest fashion. The leaked tape even showed Edwards waving at the camera. The taping was done in plain sight with no attempt to hide it. Even the Pats' bitter enemy Walsh freely admitted tapes were never viewed the day of the game which completely verifies BB's claim that the circumstance the rules were designed to prevent were not being violated. The entire violation hinged on taping from those locations making it possible for staff to access the video during that game. So rather than the Pats being dishonest you are the dishonest one. Your lack of integrity on this issue merely shows that you are a homer hypocrite.
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]

    Sure it was.  The rules were longstanding as Goodell said and they were reinforced by a memo sent by the league prior to Belichick being caught.  If you wish to play semantics to make yourself feel better, have at it. 

    If someone tries to copy off another's test in the test taking room, isn't he doing it in plain sight?  Let's not suggest that the brazen hubris of Belichick's methods somehow absolve him of avoiding rules shall we?  

    The commissioner said this:  "This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid long-standing rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field."

    Just accept that he was trying to subvert rules, a memo, and the commissioner and was caught and punished.  Then walk away. 
     
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    [QUOTE]This is what the average Neanderthal kool-aide drinking homer football fan doesn't get. If you recognize the NFL's authority to make a rule about videotaping signals, recognize their authority to investigate and conclude violations of those rules were committed and recognize their authority to exact punishment for any such violations, then you must also abide by their authority to determine if "cheating" occurred. The NFL has never said any cheating occurred, nor have they negated any on field accomplishment by the team whatsoever. So, crying the Pats were cheaters because they violated the location requirements of the taping of signals makes one a phoney hypocritical a**hole.
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]

    again - use whatever you need to make you feel better about the whole thing but don't forget this was Goodell's statement:

    "This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid long-standing rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field."
     
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    Hey pezz - you didn't follow up on that tripping thing after I provided evidence that in fact the pats did do the same thing.  How come?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mangini Mea Culpa on Spygate : What someone is "known as" among the teeming minions of half brain dead persons that call themselves football fans is of little import. What we do know is that the NEP won 3 SBs in 4 years according to the only opinion that matters, the NFL's.
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]
    That is a fact.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mangini Mea Culpa on Spygate : Sure it was.  The rules were longstanding as Goodell said and they were reinforced by a memo sent by the league prior to Belichick being caught.  If you wish to play semantics to make yourself feel better, have at it.  If someone tries to copy off another's test in the test taking room, isn't he doing it in plain sight?  Let's not suggest that the brazen hubris of Belichick's methods somehow absolve him of avoiding rules shall we?   The commissioner said this:  "This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid long-standing rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field." Just accept that he was trying to subvert rules, a memo, and the commissioner and was caught and punished.  Then walk away. 
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    Spare us all your feeble little Perry Mason act. I'm not going to stand by and allow your pathetic little homer based spin game to slide unopposed.

     By your own standard every rule ever broken in the history of the league was "cheating" and every accomplishment of every team in any instance where a rule was broken is "stained".

    Your example of a student caught cheating on a test undoes you as well. Does the school accept the result of the test that was cheated on? Well the NFL accepts the results of the Patriots accomplishments. So again you lose Perry. Imbecile.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mangini Mea Culpa on Spygate : again - use whatever you need to make you feel better about the whole thing but don't forget this was Goodell's statement: "This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid long-standing rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field."
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    Goodell's statement changes nothing about the fact that the authority you cite to define what was violated never applies any "taint" to the accomplishments of the team. So any such characterization by you is simply your spin and has no legitimate meaning whatsoever.

    I have no need to use anything to make myself feel better about it. Objectively speaking I feel fine about it. But that doesn't mean I won't cross swords with every idiotic clown who stumbles in and tries to put their little dishonest homer spin on it.
     
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    It still boggles my mind that people think taping signals IN FULL VIEW OF EVERYONE (Mr. Estrella was on the sidelines in full Patriots regalia when he was committing his HORRIBLE ACT in 2007; Mr. Walsh was out in the open, in full Patriots gear as well, back when he used to do that job)---is a more serious violation of the spirit of fair play than, say, the Broncos and 49ers circumventing the salary cap back in the 90s (a violation for which the former, less-egomaniacal and less media-whorish commissioner essentially gave them what amounted to a slap on the wrist). 

    Bottom line: Spygate and the ridiculous severity of the punishment meted out was about nothing more than Goodell's anger at his memo being ignored, period. Belichick was wrong to ignore it, for sure. Maybe he did, in fact, feel that as long as he wasn't using the tapes "during the playing of the game", as the rule states, that he was in the clear and wasn't violating the memo; but the fact is that he ignored the memo and was punished for THAT, not for the videtaping itself.

    The severity of the penalty given by Goodell was driven by his ego, his anger over the memo, and by the fact that he'd just spent the entire 2006-2007 offseason fining the bejeezus out of players for off-field incidents, and he was suddenly thrust into a situation where he had to discipline a non-player for the first time and he had to look "equally tough" in the eyes of the media, the fans and the NFLPA, especially. The media then took the severity of the penalty to mean that the videotaping was actually a big deal, when in fact it wasn't...their utter disdain for Belichick fueled their endless attacks on him and their harping on the subject; a subject on which they still harp more than 5 years later.

    In other words....it was a perfect storm that Mangini unwittingly unleashed.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mangini Mea Culpa on Spygate : LOL - Nice work turning the conversation away from the stain.  You are welcome to believe anything you like.  Dorthy thought the Wizard of Oz was real.  But belief is something entirely different than facts, and whatever you wish to believe about the colts is completely unrelated to the discussion related to Belichick's admitted cheating. 
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    Bb admitted to breaking a rule, which is what he did.  Perhaps the OZ is in you're mind because no such other admittance happened.
    The Clots tanked the season, the same way they tanked the 09 Jets game.
    Is there any doubt they tanked that game.  Nope!  Why didn't they put payaton back in?   BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO WIN!
    Why didn't they play Orlovesky who was very capable of winning more games?
    Because they didn't want to win.  Not far fetched at all considering their history.
    I'm not deflecting from BB.  I'm telling you that the word "cheat" should be expunged from your vocabulary unless you like it being thrown back at ya.
     
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    Eric

    I accept your apology. I hope you have learned something from it. 

    Best,

    BB

    (Remorse and amends are a good thing!) 

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mangini Mea Culpa on Spygate : No denying that. As is the case with any other team found to be violating rules after the fact (say rampant performance enhancement drug use), it stands to reason that any accomplishments during that time of rampant cheating are brought into question.  It's easy to prove that the patsies are capable of being the best team in the NFL without cheating.  Just go ahead and win a superbowl on the level.
    Posted by JetMangione[/QUOTE]


    They have already proven 3 times that can be the best team in the NFL without cheating. Who is it again that says they cheated?
     
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    They don't have to prove anything to haters.
    They've gone 16-0 and been to 2 SB's since.  They've also won the division (the same one the jest are in BTW) every year except one and still beat the jest out that year with a high school QB.
    What has your cheating team done?  Oh ya, won 4 PO games in 43 years.
    Congrats!
    Oh do you know the Pats swept both your QB's last year with no camera? LOL
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mangini Mea Culpa on Spygate : Keep posting, you just keep showing what a complete idiot you are. 1) Orlovesky is not a good QB, it was the pastie pathetic defense that made him look that way with his 113 rating on the day - about 40 points higher than his career average. 2) DannyBoy didn't play with the COlts until 2011. Although they may have been able to track him down in 2009 (he was out of football for sukking too bad) there was some sort of rule in place about letting guys play when they are not actually on your team.   3)Teams are actually allowed to sit players for any reason they want.  Injuries, resting for playoffs, spouting off at a news conference, getting stuck in a snow storm, etc. Just because Bill has been afraid to play TBs back up doesn't mean that other teams don't have the option of sitting their starting QB in the third qtr.
    Posted by JetMangione[/QUOTE]

    Troll sticking up for troll, how ironic.
    The clots could have won the 2009 game if they wanted, it obviously wasn't important to them.  Not putting in your best Qb in order to do that is not putting forth your best effort and therefore tanking.  Pulling Pm was intentional.
    Not putting him back in to save the game was also intentional.  What else do you need to know?

    Wasn't talking about danny in 09 when the clots tanked, was talking 2011.  Danny boy was good enough to win 4 games minimum in 2011.  It just so happened they only wanted to win 2 and even that depended on what the Rams, Vikings did..  Hell, they even considered putting the other loser back in to make sure of it.
    What other coaches hold out their best QB  (who did not misbehave) until the last few games.  The ones who want to lose, that's who.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mangini Mea Culpa on Spygate : That was because the Jets didn't put Dan Orlevesky in.
    Posted by JetMangione[/QUOTE]

    Maybe they should have.  Maybe they should try and pick him up.
    The Pats only beat him once last year as apposed to the 2 back up QB's the jest have now.
    SWEEP!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mangini Mea Culpa on Spygate : appossed to who?
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    tebow and sanchize both got 2-0'd badly by the pats last year......typical jets to think by putting them together that it would help them beat the pats....jets are a joke and always have been....and i seen you earlier talk about the pats signing has been receivers....ahaha the pats get production out of mid level receivers while the jets get screwed over by receivers like santonio holmes, plaxico burress and braylon edwards....yea real good GM you got there! ha
     
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    Warnings have been out.  Oh, they;ve been out.

    1. Bout time Bruschi spoke out. I was disappointed he went to work for Josef Goebbels Network (ESPN) in the first place.

    And now we see why he's had to lash out and finally tell it like it is.

    2. Bout time Mangini came clean as well.

    3. Harbaugh backpedalded after being caught. He actually intended to smear the Pats, but when it went viral, realized what a nozzle he looked like, asking for forgiveness.

    The reason why Harbaugh is wrong and why Bruschi is so upset, is because anyone involved in the NFL, past or present, realize what Spugate was: Much ado about nothing.

    The fact people ignore the spat between Manboobs and BB, the inicident in Foxoborough the year before, and how Goodell's understanding of the rule actualy was factually different than Tagliabue's, all gets thrown out the window.

    We've had many conversations about this stuff here, but it's high, high time the Pats organization, its players, Kraft himself all stand up to Goodell and this apparent gag order they have not defending themselves against slanderous comments on a minor rules violation from 5 freaking years ago.

    Why does the media not bring up the 1997 and 1998 Broncos when they hid Elway's salary to sign every single high end FA, keep every high end FA and then win 2 SBs because of this sneaky deceit?

    I know why:

    NE is locked and loaded and on the cusp of really making deep SB runs for years to come and Denver was not when the audits occurred. And they didn't dislike Shanahan like they do BB.

    Finally, I think Harbaugh was ticked BB traded up in front of Balt AGAIN (Gronk in 2010) to get Hightower.  Hightower sure would have looked good learning from an old Ray Lewis.

    LOL
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mangini Mea Culpa on Spygate : Sure it was.  The rules were longstanding as Goodell said and they were reinforced by a memo sent by the league prior to Belichick being caught.  If you wish to play semantics to make yourself feel better, have at it.  If someone tries to copy off another's test in the test taking room, isn't he doing it in plain sight?  Let's not suggest that the brazen hubris of Belichick's methods somehow absolve him of avoiding rules shall we?   The commissioner said this:  "This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid long-standing rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field." Just accept that he was trying to subvert rules, a memo, and the commissioner and was caught and punished.  Then walk away. 
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    Your argument relies on this:

    "This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid long-standing rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field."

    So the Comissioner states they "attempted" to avoid such rules, but he does not say they suceeded.

    An attempt to affect the play on the field  that is not successful cannot render the accomplishment "tainted". The accomplishment is entirely unaffected by a failed attempt to affect it.

     
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    [QUOTE] it's high, high time the Pats organization, its players, Kraft himself all stand up to Goodell and this apparent gag order they have not defending themselves against slanderous comments on a minor rules violation from 5 freaking years ago.
    Posted by BassFishing[/QUOTE]


    Kraft will never contest this. He would have done it already if he was going to. A good lawyer would tear Goodell's memo to shreds in a legal setting. They are clearly an addition to the bylaws and game day manual and hold no real legal standing in the structure of the NFL.

    Kraft correctly determined that Goodell's cowboy blunder was done and dragging it out would only damage the NFL brand and ultimately damage Kraft's brand further than it already was.

    The only resolution this will ever see is if BB or another person in the know writes a tell all and names names. And even at that, the moron fans of the world will be entirely unaffected.
     
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    I agree and have said Kraft puts the league above himself and the Pats.

    What I find hypocritical of Goodell is Harbaugh did not put the league above himself by dodging the question as a current NFL employee.

    His commenting on a fellow co-worker in the NFL (pats and saints) very irresponsibly, and is apparently not being reprimanded or punished for further negative attention to the NFL brand, is a joke.

    Goodell came down hard on NE and New Orleans for negative attention to the brand, not the subjectivity of the violation.  We all know now what a farce spygate was, but let's not pretend Harbaugh wasn't trying to be sneaky in Baltimore on a radio show either.

    There are way too many morons running around not having a clue with the facts on Spygate, the context or the BB/Manboobs backstory. Any mere mention of it is a boon for E$pn as well.

    Note the timing. Post draft, another successful one for NE.

    It's oh so nice that Goodell decided to play the PC police in 2006 and treat a longstanding video scouting rule the way he wanted, but he can never escape the outrageously poor handling of an inter-divisional spat and two coaches, mostly BB, who was messing with a former protege.

    If anyone brought the negative attention to the situation, it was the Jets.  Goodell did nothing. He chose to show conssitency with Draconian rulings, on the heels of Pacman Jones and Mike VIck, so he could have an easier $ell over in Europe. Said it then, say it now.

    Heck, the Jets are STILL bringing negative attention to the league, 5 years later.
     
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    [QUOTE]Day late dollar short. Bruschi should sack him.
    Posted by TrueChamp[/QUOTE]

    The truth
     

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