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What do you think he is going to end up doing that will shock us all?

BB will bring an impact player to the D this season or a couple very good players that will help the team out.  You gotta remember last year there was not a lot of time to get new players and there really were not a lot of quality D players to choose from.  I think BB took a shot at some available players who he thought would help the team in the short amount of time.  So he picked up some vets who have been around a long time so they could go right in and play.  Some worked, some didn't.

Full off season now, just barely lost the SB, I think BB will have his guns blazing this off season and will make some pretty awesome moves before week 1 starts.

Well, realistically, would we be able to get him cap wise?

You guys say we have 20 million, you need to set 5 million for rookies, 5-7.5 million for Welker and then you have 7.5-10 million left.

It would be Welker + Mario and that is it.

I would much rather pick up one of the three safeties available, get a scrappy corner like Finnegan and pick up Lloyd or Wayne or SOMEBODY that can play on the outside, lol.

Plus you have to realize BB likes to keep some cap space for moves in-season. I really doubt Mario is comming here but if he does, I will be jumping for joy for weeks!

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He is a fine player and would bring youth and ability to DE position for Pats.  Sure hope it happens because it would be a great improvement for our D and then in draft we could get a quality Safety and Cornerback, OLB and maybe a receiver!!!!

When you have 20 million to play with, you have money to spend. I've got to think they'll be able to work out a long term deal for Welker that won't cost them 10 million towards the cap. I would have to think if money DID get tight they could cut some guys that are under performing as well.

I'd be surprised if they went all in on Mario Williams, but he does seem like a similar player to Peppers - exceptional guy with size/but a tweener type that may be better as a 43 end. We DO need some kind of guy like this to make deficiencies we have on defense become smaller, but I just don't see it happening.  

If, again if, Andre Carter is OK, then spend elsewhere...add Nink, Anderson, and maybe Cunningham, rushing outside linebacker/DE is not the biggest priority as is adding a veteran safety and wide out.  Assuming safety and receiver are free agents and/or trades, then what's left with the draft is BB's best rated player in the draft method.  See what he picks, but assuming away the safety, reciever issue I'd like to see the lines, both offense and defense - infused with youthful strength. D-line with a collapse the pocket bull rusher to pair with Vince like Haynseworth was invisioned; then your OLB/DE get sacks a lot easier. O-line, maybe Cannon is that guy already, but like Rusty noted, a horse of a center would be good, too. Running back, I think they have to see what they've got in house; would not give up a first/second for Jones-Drew because they are not going to hand the ball to him 300 times a year. Also, I like Ridley. 

Not sold on giving Avril a large contract. He is just a bit better than Anderson.

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I agree and you're right a guy that could give you what Haynesworth was supposed to would make guys on the outside look better. Question is, can they get one of those guys? It's been a long time.

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I'd love to see them sign Williams, but have the feeling he'll cost too much. But he's certainly a fit, playing either 3-4 or 4-3. I'd also try and re-sign Anderson. He showed good improvement and could be a game changer with a full offseason. I'd love to see them sign Goldson as well, he reminds me of a younger Rodney. I doubt they could afford both of them, but one wouldn't be out of the question. Brandon Lloyd would be nice, but I believe they could get a WR in the draft. The better the pass rush the better the secondary will look. I'm hoping McCourty gets back to his 2010 form after a full offseason. Arrington has played well, too. I think Moore also deserves a chance to compete for a CB spot. I think Carter is pretty much done, he's up there in age and coming off an injury. Kyle Love in the middle with Wilfork looked pretty good late in the year, so I think DE or OLB is a more pressing need. I'm fine with the RBs, so really another WR is all the offense needs (other than maybe some more depth on the line). I know people think BB won't target Mario after the AD catastrophy. But you never know. Brady doesn't have a lot of years left, and the window is wide open. They really haven't been in position to draft a top notch pass rusher, so maybe they need to go all-in before it's too late. The last time they came this close they were very active in the personnel department. But other than a deep threat WR most of their needs are on defense. Williams could be that final piece that makes this team serious contenders in those tight games. They never really replaced the big play ability (especially in big games) they lost when McGinest left. And time is running out (IMO) to groom someone from the draft.

That's not what BB does. I seriously doubt this happens.

Too much money if they want to make a free agent move at WR and DB also.

Is that all they have is $20 million to spend? I thought if they went all in they could roll over what they were under last year also? Less cap space than I've seen in a couple of places but I see different numbers all over. also.

Since he's a relatively young guy, you could give him a long contract with a big signing bonus to spread the cost out and reduce the salary cap hit.  I'm not sure what BB will decide to do, but given the number of holes on the team a few choice free agent signings this year would make a huge difference. 

Andre Carter, Mark Anderson, Kyle Love, Vince Wilfork: we don't need him enough to sign the massive contract he will demand

The problem with Williams is he doesn't have much of a motor or desire, i.e. the killer instinct.  He's easily blocked one-on-one by a TE and pushed past the QB.  Most of his sacks are recovery sacks where he is pushed deep by the OT or TE, the pocket finally collapses, and the QB scrambles to Williams.  The Houston defense didn't miss a beat when Mario went out and he was replaced by a second round draft choice.  The concensus here in Houston is that the Texans will let him walk as Reed gives them everything Mario gave them (and more), only at a drastically reduced cost.

JJ Watt on the other hand, what a player!  If Mario had half of JJ's drive, he would be in the conversation.

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Yeah, and that "system" has been working so well for the last seven years. Last year was an illusion. They beat Denver, a team that never should have been in the playoffs. They got extremely lucky against Baltimore. And then the real Patriots showed up and couldn't even beat a .500 team in the Superbowl. You people can buy into the "Giants are a good team" garbage if you want. But they aren't.

Face it, Bill hasn't won  anything since Weiss and Crennel left and Brady went gunslinger. Yet he refuses to reign Brady in or hire competent coordinators. Or adress areas of need in the draft choosing to throw away picks by trading down to rounds where there is little talent.

Brady continues to get smaller as the games get bigger. And the Pats continue to gag when it matters. So let's keep doing what we have been doing. Makes sense.

I know a lot of you consider the twelve and thirteen wins seasons success. But that's fool's gold. That how loser organizations like the Colts and Chargers measure success.

This team had been failing for almost a decade now. Something HAS to change. Bill's "system" is clearly not working.

Mario is a Man and I say about time we came with a killer D again and stopped spittin the bit at the finish cause we couldn't stop anybody's last drive!

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