Maroney and terrible '06 draft was start of the dynasty collapse

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    Clearly you didn't see the game on Sunday.  The dynasty is far from over.
     
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    Yes, well unfortunately the Pats didn't get to watch how the players did for the next four years before deciding who they would take like you did.  That was a bad draft but I'm pretty sure that 06 team was not going to win anything without a decent receiver (Reche Caldwell #1?) which they did not have. 

    I still don't know how Brady threw for 3500 yds to that group of UFL'ers.
     
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    Hindsight is always 20/20
     
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    You're absolutely right.  We began to collapse in 2006 and only made it to the AFC Championship game.  We declined even further the following year by only making it to the SB and going unbeaten in the regular season.  The next year however, was indeed a collapse.  We only went 11-5 and missed the playoffs after losing our franchise QB for the season.  But wait, it gets even worse.  The following year we only won the division.  Even Detroit fans were laughing at us.

    Fortunately, in 2009 the dynasty picked itself up off the ground with a stellar draft.  In 2010 the dynasty added more pillars.  Even better, that genius got us 4 more picks in the first two rounds next year.  Wait, there's still more...if that guy picks as well as he did the last two years, the dynasty will rise again.

    OK, enough sarcasm.  It's been beaten to death on this board that our drafts from 2006-2008 were not anything to write home about.  However, if you give blame, you also have to give credit.  Our last two drafts have rocked.  We did pay a price for our draft slump.  We had to bring in far too many free agents to make up for bad drafts.  Whereas we paid a price for our bad drafts, we will be rewarded for our recent good drafts.  I'm just thankful that our "collapse" lasted only a couple of years and never took us to where we actually had a losing record.
     
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    Hindsight is always 20/20
    Posted by Wizardsjag


    So true....I am sure many teams regret not drafting a QB out of Michigan in 2000before the 6th round
     
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    Lets look at what we missed on. Chad Jackson.....ouch. We cant be right all the time. However, this was a bad draft. Jones Drew would have been nice.

    21. New England - Laurence Maroney, RB Minnesota
    22. San Francisco (from Washington through Denver) - Manny Lawson, DE/OLB North Carolina State
    23. Tampa Bay - Davin Joseph, G Oklahoma
    24. Cincinnati - Johnathan Joseph, CB South Carolina
    25. Pittsburgh (from N.Y. Giants) - Santonio Holmes, WR Ohio State
    26. Buffalo (from Chicago) - John McCargo, DT North Carolina State
    27. Carolina - DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis
    28. Jacksonville - Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA
    29. NY Jets (from Denver through Atlanta) - Nick Mangold, C Ohio State
    30. Indianapolis - Joseph Addai, RB LSU
    31. Seattle - Kelly Jennings, CB Miami (FL)
    32. N.Y. Giants (from Pittsburgh) - Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College

    Round Two
    1. (33) Houston - DeMeco Ryans, LB Alabama
    2. (34) Cleveland (from New Orleans) - D'Qwell Jackson, LB Maryland
    3. (35) Washington (from New York Jets) - Rocky McIntosh, LB Miami (FL)
    4. (36) New England (from Green Bay) - Chad Jackson, WR Florida
    5. (37) Atlanta (from San Francisco through Denver through Green Bay) - Jimmy Williams, CB Virginia Tech
    6. (38) Oakland - Thomas Howard, OLB UTEP
    7. (39) Philadelphia (from Tennessee) - Winston Justice, OT USC
    8. (40) Detroit - Daniel Bullocks, S Nebraska
    9. (41) Arizona - Deuce Lutui, OG USC
    10. (42) Chicago (from Buffalo) - Danieal Manning, DB Abilene Christian
    11. (43) New Orleans (from Cleveland) - Roman Harper, S Alabama
    12. (44) N.Y. Giants (from Baltimore) - Sinorice Moss, WR Miami (FL)
    13. (45) Tennessee (from Philadelphia) - LenDale White, RB USC
    14. (46) St. Louis - Joe Klopfenstein, TE Colorado
    15. (47) Green Bay (from Atlanta)- Daryn Colledge, OT Boise State
    16. (48) Minnesota - Cedric Griffin, CB Texas
    17. (49) N.Y. Jets (from Dallas) - Kellen Clemens, QB Oregon
    18. (50) San Diego - Marcus McNeil, OT Auburn
    19. (51) Minnesota (from Miami) - Ryan Cook, C New Mexico
    20. (52) Green Bay (from New England) - Greg Jenning, WR Western Michigan
    21. (53) Dallas (from Washington through NY Jets) - Anthony Fasano, TE Notre Dame
    22. (54) Kansas City - Bernard Pollard, S Purdue
    23. (55) Cincinnati - Andrew Whitworth, OT LSU
    24. (56) Baltimore (from N.Y. Giants)- Chris Chester, C/G Oklahoma
    25. (57) Chicago - Devin Hester, WR/KR Miami (FL)
    26. (58) Carolina - Richard Marshall, CB Fresno State
    27. (59) Tampa Bay - Jeremy Trueblood, OT Boston College
    28. (60) Jacksonville - Maurice Drew, RB UCLA
    29. (61) Denver - Tony Scheffler, TE Western Michigan
    30. (62) Indianapolis - Tim Jennings, CB Georgia
    31. (63) Seattle - Darryl Tapp, DE Virginia Tech
    32. (64) Minnesota (from Pittsburgh) - Tarvarius Jackson, QB Alaba

     
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    I don't care if we went 18-1 in '07... The '06 draft was hideous, as were the decisions that offseason DeAngelo Williams was the perfect back for us... We still had 1 year of Dillon, Williams was lightning quick, Dillon the pounder... Faulk the reciever and all everything guy... perfect Williams over Maroney would have been awesome
    Posted by rameakap


    what about making it to the 2006 Championship game? Dynasty

    2007 Dynasty

    2008-2009 dynasty reloading

    2010 We're back
     
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    I don't care if we went 18-1 in '07... The '06 draft was hideous, as were the decisions that offseason DeAngelo Williams was the perfect back for us... We still had 1 year of Dillon, Williams was lightning quick, Dillon the pounder... Faulk the reciever and all everything guy... perfect Williams over Maroney would have been awesome
    Posted by rameakap

    To Quote Micheal Jackson-

    You just got to be starting something

    AND you are entirely full of it.  They Dynasty didn't end.  Division winners last year.  11-5 year before.  Superbowl the year before.  Thats a dynasty.  ANYBODY can pick the good players AFTER they played for 3 or 4 years.

     
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    So we now have
    Oakland's 1st round pick in 2011
    Carolina's 2nd round pick in 2011
    Denver's 4th round pick in 2011

    Think positive rameakap.......

     
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    It is not simply hindsight 20/20... otherwise I say we trade up to get Demeco Ryans and take Brandon Marshall in rd 4. Instead of Chad Jackson you stick with Jennings in rd 2, Florida WR's are always overhyped and HOW ON EARTH did he pass the Pioli/BB interview??? Rd 3 you trade up a few picks to get solid RT Eric Winston instead of trading the pick to get Chad Jackson and later taking bust Ryan O'Callaghan in rd 5. Rd 5 is not for starters. Address that spot before taking TWO backup TE's. MY GOD! Other rd 3 pick you could take Owen Daniels over David Thomas, whatever that is a toss-up based on whatb they both did in college. (Maybe just don't cut Thomas and sign Baker 2-3 years later) OR..... you can just KEEP DAN GRAHAM considering he was a great blocking TE who could make a clutch catch and that was exactly what we wanted from the position. If you keep Graham you can take OG Jahari Evans, the guy who just got the Mankins $ and who would have opened holes for Williams/Dillon and phased out the always injured Stephen Neal In rd 4, instead of the idiotic Garrett Mills pick, when you JUST DRAFTED THOMAS, maybe you take Elvin Dumervil, who was only a sack machine in college when he wasn't contantly double teamed and drew comparisons to Freeney but fell b/c of his size. Remember how we turned 6' Bruschi into a good LB? Didn't we just lose Willie Mac and need a hybrid OLB/DE who can get the QB? Then you still take Gostkowski and call it a day. TERRIBLE TERRIBLE DRAFT and yes on draft day I wanted Williams, Jennings and Dumervil... The O-lineman were 20/20 picks that simply made sense over trading up for the fool Jackson and waiting till rd 5 to get a RT
    Posted by rameakap


    This post is nuts! You actually acknowledge that you hear our incessant calls of "hindsight" and then proceed to make EVEN MORE hindsight observations! And then you say we should have kept Daniel Graham, who was made the highest (or second highest) paid TE in the league by the Broncos! Do yourself a favor: if you ever try to get a front office job with the Patriots, leave these posts off your resume.
     
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    Lets hope that next years draft is productive. OLB / OL / RB

    I think we are close to having an elite team again. One more draft and perhaps bb and tb can win one or two more together. By the way, this year is not out of the question to win it all. The O is that good and the D (young) is fast and will be coached up by BB.
     
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    Ignore...
     
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    RETROSPECT IS 20/20
    so S.T.F.U.

     
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    The next time somebody tells me who the busts are going to be before the draft will be the first time.
     
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    In Response to Re: Maroney and terrible '06 draft was start of the dynasty collapse : Oh would you look at that, 2 hours after this thread New England Sports Tonight runs a segment on the epic fail that was the '06 draft, the 1 player who we have left (Gostkowski) and the better RB's we should have taken apparently people find this interesting and relevant
    Posted by rameakap

    Rameakap, let him ignore you and dont worry about it. Some of the people on this board want people hanged for saying anything. You give yo uropinion and they cry like little girls as if they have a better idea.

    Truth is none of this matters, Bill Belichick last time I heard does not consult with this board for information. Now Randy Moss might, and after hearing him speak Im betting he does. You just keep writing my boy and if they dont like it, skrew em!
     
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    Dumb thread. Like saying "if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle"
     
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    So we now have Oakland's 1st round pick in 2011 Carolina's 2nd round pick in 2011 Denver's 4th round pick in 2011 Think positive rameakap.......
    Posted by Rocky


    plus our own #1 and #2 and the other picks in the 3rd and 4th
     
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    "They could have stretched it to 5 in 7 with a good '06 draft, I am convinced of this."

    You know what - you gotta let it go. Sports is full of unpredictability and human error, that's why we love it, that's also why it's frustrating sometimes. I was excited about the Maroney pick that year and he did show some flashes.

    You're not wrong in that we had a rough draft that year, but for you to automatically correlate a better draft that year with championships just doesn't wash and does a disservice to our opponents who also fought hard to overcome their own human errors and claim a championship or two.

    We also obtained Moss and Welker, two players other teams either missed or underestimated. Those acquisitions are part of a totality of what you can judge. 

    It's frustrating to lose but clicking your heels together won't change that. Why not focus on the promise of this season?


     
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    So I guess the thread isn't about a collapse of the dynasty, but a changing of the guard.  Regardless of whether or not we should have taken other players, our last 2 drafts have been nothing short of stellar.  There will never be a draft for any team where you cannot say "you passed on this guy and look at him now".
     
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    " They could have stretched it to 5 in 7 with a good '06 draft, I am convinced of this." You know what - you gotta let it go. Sports is full of unpredictability and human error, that's why we love it, that's also why it's frustrating sometimes. I was excited about the Maroney pick that year and he did show some flashes. You're not wrong in that we had a rough draft that year, but for you to automatically correlate a better draft that year with championships just doesn't wash and does a disservice to our opponents who also fought hard to overcome their own human errors and claim a championship or two. We also obtained Moss and Welker, two players other teams either missed or underestimated. Those acquisitions are part of a totality of what you can judge.  It's frustrating to lose but clicking your heels together won't change that. Why not focus on the promise of this season?
    Posted by BostonTrollSpanker


    Seriously.  The most important draft pick for winning a championship is LUCK.
     
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    There is no question they have missed horribly on a couple of drafts specifically the Maroney draft but to say it's the collapse of the Patriots is wrong.  Yes they are in a re-tooling mode right now but most teams take a serious nose dive when they re-tool.  2007 they make the super bowl, 2008 they go 11-5 and by some freak occurance miss the playoffs, 2009 win division lose in first round.  That's not bad for a team that's retooling.  I'm not expecting a super bowl this year but I am very happy with the drafts the last 2 years.  With this upcoming draft it will only get better.  Every team misses on draft picks it is unavoidable.  Yes the Chad Jackson looks very bad and I was cringing when they made that pick but I had no clue who Greg Jennings was or what he was going to be.  At least Maroney did contribute some and gave us some good games. 
     
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    I don't care if we went 18-1 in '07... The '06 draft was hideous, as were the decisions that offseason DeAngelo Williams was the perfect back for us... We still had 1 year of Dillon, Williams was lightning quick, Dillon the pounder... Faulk the reciever and all everything guy... perfect Williams over Maroney would have been awesome
    Posted by rameakap


    Says the guy with a Pierce avatar where Ainge or whomever else hadn't had a good draft in over a decade.

    2006 was a bad one, but 2007 more than made up for it.  That Dynasty ended with SB 42.

    2009 and 2010 drafts look great and 2011 is yet to come. Wake up.

     
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    In Response to Re: Maroney and terrible '06 draft was start of the dynasty collapse : I wanted Odrick over McCourty But that would have been with the 1st pick we had. I was really unhappy we traded away again when Odrick was there, he'd have filled Seymour's shoes and now that Warren went down, been even more help I also saw the extreme need for secondary help, I see Butler as a great nickel guy, Wilhite as a 4th CB and Wheatley as a bust (should have taken Jamaal Charles!). As a UConn season ticket holder I really liked McCourty, he was a great move, even better with Bodden out. I wanted to trade the Cunningham pick for Bouldin. This was when Welker was supposed to be on the 6 week PUP and moss said it was to be his last year. I LOVED the Gronkowski and Spikes picks. LOVED them. I wanted Spikes over Maualuga last year and was annoyed he went back to school. Then I was annoyed we didn't just extend Wilfork asap and take Maualuga over Brace. But in the end Spikes dropped and was great value. LOVED it. However, after we lucked out with 2nd/3rd rd talent in Hernadez in the 4th, I would have rather we just kept Ben Watson and taken Sergio Kindle over Gronk. Now it looks like I was wrong. Poor Kindle had a skull injury and Gronk may become a top 5 TE in the league over the next few years. what I really wanted tho was to trade up w/ that 3rd rd pick, leapfrog Miami and get Koa Misi, who just looked nasty and blowing people up everytime I watched him. If we had taken Kindle and used the 3rd, it would not be needed for a WR b/c Bouldin was here, so instead of Price i'd have take Everson Griffen, had him as a project behind Warren, situational pass rusherfuture Willie Mac/Vrabel hopefully.
    Posted by rameakap


    Odrick just went in for an MRI. And you aren' tbetter than BB, kid.
     
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    In Response to Re: Maroney and terrible '06 draft was start of the dynasty collapse : right and next years draft should eb incredible as well For once I want BB to use the 4th, 5th and 6th rd picks to move UP in the 1st and 2nd and get 5 impact players and at least 3 STARS and have them all arrive together... no more passing on Odrick or Clay Matthews to get a future 1st rd pick... despite how great th last 2 drafts have been we could have BOTH those guys and simply not have Brace, McKenzie and a future #2.
    Posted by rameakap


    And this is the difference between you and people with a brain and an education .

    In the deepest draft in 25 years, you trade DOWN not UP. Einstein.
     
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    In short, this would have been my 2010 draft, is it still hindsight 20/20 when I am being 100% honest??? 1 - Future trade (bad) - Odrick (my choice) 1 - McCourty (Great, loved it) 2 - Gronk (great) - Watson (resigned)/Kindle and Griffen OR Koa Misi (my choices, who knows what would have made us better yet) 2 - Cunningham (blah) - Bouldin trade (my choice) 2 - Spikes (Great, loved it) 3 - Price (blah) - Trade up or Griffen (my choices) 4 - Hernadez (great, loved it) 4 - Zoltan (sure why not, wld be the Gronkowski of punters)
    Posted by rameakap


    Interesting how you say "blah" with players who aren't starting yet.  Good thing he took McCourty.  The Special Teams are vastly improved and will win them 3 games this year, outright, and Bodden went down.
     
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